Calgary International Airport II

[Bigtime]

Not 787 every day though, that plan changed with KLM.

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Not 787 every day though, that plan changed with KLM.

Right, I forgot. Weird scheduling.

Still will be a lot of 787's in the new terminal (up to 6 daily!)

[hoboman27]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

I've been told that, due to trial participant feedback, that two water fountains (filling stations?)---wow! a whole two!-- have been installed (in which part of the IFP I am unsure). But I was also told that two moving sidewalks were discovered to not have been installed as per the blueprints????

Another insider! yyc_engineer has competition!

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by hoboman27

Another insider! yyc_engineer has competition!

Nobody can compete with me. I mean, they could try but they would lose.

The real story is that one of the airlines (I won't mention which one) requires their staff to have access to fresh drinking water within a certain distance/time/area at all times (union rules) and to meet that requirement two water bottle refilling stations have been installed at the tray washing stations in either food court. I don't think they will be advertised as such but can be used by both staff and passengers.

[holhm22]

Few more pictures of the soft opening from the airport's fb page
Edit, click the link for the album within the post. They are adding more pictures to the album

[Takeoff]

i was looking on the facebook page and I saw a picture of some Jet airway signage????

Is there a new link coming to Calgary?

Didn't see any other codeshare signage from the other airlines.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

I bet it was Mersar, he was there on one of the trial days.

I also was there for a trial earlier this month and made sure to note about the lack of water filling stations in my feedback. And glad our feedback was taken seriously!

[Nick]

70-75 can as well. And 70/71 can do domestic departures, plus 82 and I think 83 can do domestic offloading.

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by Acey

I still feel like WS will have to tow a whole bunch of airplanes. Int'l inbound -> domestic outbound gates are extremely valuable.

Maybe initially, but eventually they will build it into their schedule. Operations at YYC will be identical to YVR from a terminal layout perspective and they do just fine out at the Sea Island.

[zahav]

Exciting times with the opening, good luck! There's always kinks to work out with large projects but seems like it's going to be smooth!

So the new terminal has 26 new loading gates? Stupid question, but is each gate capable of handling two planes at once? That's how the map reads to me. If so, 26 gates is a massive increase!

[casper]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

Nobody can compete with me. I mean, they could try but they would lose.

The real story is that one of the airlines (I won't mention which one) requires their staff to have access to fresh drinking water within a certain distance/time/area at all times (union rules) and to meet that requirement two water bottle refilling stations have been installed at the tray washing stations in either food court. I don't think they will be advertised as such but can be used by both staff and passengers.

The other reason is to catch up with with most other airports are doing on the passenger experience side. Water battle refill stations are expected these days at most airports. Silly that the driver is a union rule and not a customer experience issue.

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by casper

The other reason is to catch up with with most other airports are doing on the passenger experience side. Water battle refill stations are expected these days at most airports. Silly that the driver is a union rule and not a customer experience issue.

Never mind "catching up" by providing bottle refill spouts -- not having fountains at all (until recent change) is just mind boggling. It's either a spectacular failure of planning/design, or a deliberate attempt to boost retailer revenue by forcing people to buy bottled water.

Given the forced march through duty free shops, it kinda points towards the "boost revenue" conspiracy theory.

I'm not sure which is worse.

[Bigtime]

It is incredibly disappointing to see. As a traveler with kids after security the first purchase is usually a couple of big bottles of water, and then you can refill from the fountains.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

It is incredibly disappointing to see. As a traveler with kids after security the first purchase is usually a couple of big bottles of water, and then you can refill from the fountains.

You should be environmentally friendly. Bring a reusable water bottle, empty it out into the sink just before security. No sink just before security, well there is always the nearest water proof garbage can. Get in past security and hunt down that water filling station in the food court (or where ever it is).

In reality if they missed a moving walkway, I would like to guess it was an oversight as opposed to an attempt to sell bottled water.

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That said the weirdest things was last week I arrived in Victoria, picked up the car to go leave the lot and the silly ticket would not scan on the automatic machine. The attendant came out and waved me over to the exit with a real person. The parking lot attended said, "Sorry about that and the wait to get out, here have a compliment bottle of Robins Parking/Victoria Airport Water. Thanks for parking with us. Sorry again about the inconvenience"

Now if we can only get CASTA to do the same thing. "Sorry about the long wait in security. Here have a bottle of water on us." That would be cool.

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by casper

In reality if they missed a moving walkway, I would like to guess it was an oversight as opposed to an attempt to sell bottled water.

I'd love to hear the full story on this one.

I'm picturing a comic strip:
frame 1: worker stares at big, long hole in the ground with a puzzled look his face
frame 2: worker stares at big pile of spare parts with a puzzled look on her face
frames 3 & 4: workers shrug shoulders and say "meh!"

(No, I don't actually imagine there is a real hole in any floor anywhere...)

[MalcolmTucker]

^ Yeah, the flooring contractor likely just kept laying flooring over where it was supposed to be!

I worked on the conversion of older rental stacked townhomes into condos one summer years back, and there was one unit with a boat load of extra breakers on the breaker panel. We were doing the pre-turnover inspection a few hours before the keys were supposed to be transferred, and we notice that none of the upstairs rooms haveforced air heat vents. The unit had existed for 25 years and instead of looking for the duct work that existed under the floor, Boardwalk had installed supplemental electric heat, that had been torn out by our demolition team and not replaced.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

The real story is that one of the airlines (I won't mention which one) requires their staff to have access to fresh drinking water within a certain distance/time/area at all times (union rules) and to meet that requirement two water bottle refilling stations have been installed at the tray washing stations in either food court. I don't think they will be advertised as such but can be used by both staff and passengers.

I don't doubt the statement that one airlines employee rules require access to fresh drinking water. I would hazard a guess that airline is WestJet. Further its probably not just FA's but all their check in staff.

I know that AC does not have this listed in their work contracts, instead the flight crew has generous per deims included in their contract. Further, known flight crew can bring liquids gels and aerosols in quantities greater than 100ml.

Here is some facts for the board to consider. 85% of passengers fly once per year or less, this group accounts for less than 40% of airlines revenue. the remaining 15% of passengers account for over 60% of airline revenue. This 15% have access to the executive lounges and other entitlements of Elite status.

The above statistic partially explains why water fountains were missed. The new international terminal is geared toward the 15% frequent travelers as it is this group that is most sought after by the airlines. I am part of this group and would not consider to think about a water fountain in my top 50 things that a top tier international airport should have. The primary reason being that the airline will give me a bottle of water either on the airplane (if seated in Business Class) or at the airport (through the lounge or through the concierge).

Additionally, I am constantly advocating for the exclusion of water fountains in airport terminals because there is direct impact on security wait times. People forget to completely empty their water bottles prior to going through pre-board security screening, the delays to security screening mean that an additional security lane is required at concourse C security checkpoint during the busy periods (so where 4 lanes are most efficient, delays are causing the need for a fifth lane to open).

[DizzyEdge]

Can anyone tell me where the old McCall field terminal used to be?

Looking at a 1960s map, 'Air Terminal' is marked where the Shell Aerocentre is. Any idea of the SA was frankenstein'd around the old terminal?

McCall Field


albertaonrecord.ca

1960s map
http://i.imgur.com/76x6spn.png

[casper]

Originally Posted by Cage

I don't doubt the statement that one airlines employee rules require access to fresh drinking water. I would hazard a guess that airline is WestJet. Further its probably not just FA's but all their check in staff.

I know that AC does not have this listed in their work contracts, instead the flight crew has generous per deims included in their contract. Further, known flight crew can bring liquids gels and aerosols in quantities greater than 100ml.

Here is some facts for the board to consider. 85% of passengers fly once per year or less, this group accounts for less than 40% of airlines revenue. the remaining 15% of passengers account for over 60% of airline revenue. This 15% have access to the executive lounges and other entitlements of Elite status.

The above statistic partially explains why water fountains were missed. The new international terminal is geared toward the 15% frequent travelers as it is this group that is most sought after by the airlines. I am part of this group and would not consider to think about a water fountain in my top 50 things that a top tier international airport should have. The primary reason being that the airline will give me a bottle of water either on the airplane (if seated in Business Class) or at the airport (through the lounge or through the concierge).

Additionally, I am constantly advocating for the exclusion of water fountains in airport terminals because there is direct impact on security wait times. People forget to completely empty their water bottles prior to going through pre-board security screening, the delays to security screening mean that an additional security lane is required at concourse C security checkpoint during the busy periods (so where 4 lanes are most efficient, delays are causing the need for a fifth lane to open).

I am also in that frequently flyer group. That said, I have given up chasing status, instead I go for schedule which most years is a split between AC, WJ, Alaska and Delta. We need more AMEX and Delta lounges, some years I have access to the Maple Leaf Lounges and others not. I don't think I am that unusual, there are a lot of frequent flyers that are usually in economy and don't always have status.

I am pro water fountains. It is the environmentally responsible thing to do. (Yes, I know air travel is not that environmentally responsible but we need to do what we can where we can).

I would also be supportive of removing this silly ban on liquids. The concept that four or five 100 ml bottles of liquids are safe but a 500 ml or 1L bottle is silly.

[CrossedTheTracks]

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

Can anyone tell me where the old McCall field terminal used to be?

Looking at a 1960s map, 'Air Terminal' is marked where the Shell Aerocentre is. Any idea of the SA was frankenstein'd around the old terminal?

Here's a nice aerial from 1951: http://contentdm.ucalgary.ca/cdm/ref/collection/airphotos2/id/51184

I agree that it's awfully close to, if not precisely, the land on which Shell Aerocentre sits.

But looking at the picture you posted with a nice Google maps 3D view from the same angle (looking at Shell Aerocentre towards the SW), I can't say I spot any structural similarities. But, maybe parts of it survive! I was in parts of the STARS offices during their Doors Open event in 2015, and I wouldn't be blown away if someone told me it's from the 60's...