Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Why is the city council plucking money from RDA projects? If other cities are going to ship their homeless here, then the federal government better foot the bill for the programming and infrastructure to house them. Otherwise we need to ship those who came here homeless back from whence they came.

I kind of agree. The problem with other states shipping their Homless population here has got to stop and it has got to stop fast. I'm not sure what the solution is through. The first thing that pops in to mind is only offering assistance to those who have been Utah residents for somewhere in the 3-5 year ballpark... But it might be tough for some people to prove that they have been here, so I just don't know. We need to make it clear to other states that it is not acceptable.... I'm not sure if we would have any legal ground to sue them.

I would rather not receive federal funding and jump right to the send them back part... I really don't want salt lake to become a haven for the nations Homless people... I think saying that it's okay for other states to send their Homless here as long as we get funding sets a bad precedents.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Old&New

I agree with Jackie on this one.

I also agree with Jackie, shockingly. It's not a good idea to basically kill off current RDA projects to fund future, currently non-existent projects.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

I don't view downtown SLC as a place that will be running out of space anytime soon. We also have a lot of crap that will be removed at some point. Parking lot blocks and parking garages, Carl's Jr., and a lot of meh that is going up now. Beyond that City Creek at some point could possibly house a theatre. I'm not worried about running out of space at all.

All of those various parking lots and future available plots are not within the Arts/Theatre district, though.

[asies1981]

Photo updates of the 9th East Lofts and 616 Lofts.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Why is the city council plucking money from RDA projects? If other cities are going to ship their homeless here, then the federal government better foot the bill for the programming and infrastructure to house them. Otherwise we need to ship those who came here homeless back from whence they came.

"Myth- The homeless population is transient, migrating to cities with the best services.

Fact- 88 percent of of Utah's homeless population lived in Utah when they became homeless."

https://jobs.utah.gov/housing/scso/documents/homelessness2014.pdf

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

"Myth- The homeless population is transient, migrating to cities with the best services.

Fact- 88 percent of of Utah's homeless population lived in Utah when they became homeless."

https://jobs.utah.gov/housing/scso/documents/homelessness2014.pdf

I question these statistics. Regardless, how many of these homeless individuals and families have family and friends who can step up to the plate and offer shelter? We should start a similar program in Utah (it's not as bad as it sounds):

Portland begins sending homeless people to other cities, including Seattle

Susan Salisbury, a spokesperson for Portland’s 211 program, which is handling the pilot, said the agency staff members need to call the homeless person’s family or friends in that other city, to verify that there is in fact a plan for housing. Without that verification, they will not buy the bus ticket.

Salisbury said there would also be a follow-up call in a few month to check that the person is actually housed in that new city and no longer on the streets.

In 2014, AllHome, which consists of King County governments and nonprofit agencies, asked homeless people to list their last known ZIP codes.

Thirty percent of them did not answer. Of those who did, 86 percent listed ZIP codes in King County. Another 6 percent listed a Washington state ZIP code outside of King County.

(where did the 30% come from?)

http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/portland...other-cities-including-seattle/296353382



Nevada Gets Sued For Dumping Homeless Patients With Mental Illnesses Onto Buses

The city of San Francisco is suing Nevada over a state psychiatric facility that allegedly dumped thousands of poor and homeless patients with mental illnesses onto buses with one-way tickets to states like California [and Utah] and told them to seek medical care there. City attorneys claim that the practice cost San Francisco $500,000 in public funds to house and treat patients who should have been receiving care at the Rawson-Neal psychiatric hospital in Nevada, and that the lawsuit (which officials hope to make a class-action one) is meant to hold the state accountable in addition to reclaiming expenses.

https://thinkprogress.org/nevada-gets-su...esses-onto-buses-271e5c518016#.cell71diu

[ajiuO]

I'm glad to see Regent street opened again. It's much nicer to walk down then it ever was...

With that said I think they hit a major budget wall. Besides not finishing the Parking garage and cheapening out on the sections that they had already torn out and not replaced with brick.... here are a couple of other jewels.

I could tell early on that this building was just going to get a stucco overlay, but I was really hoping that it would also get some nice new windows on the front... well for whatever reason they decided to just cover up the second floor windows with sheet rock and paint it the same color as the building. They haven't really done anything with the third-floor windows... I'm still holding out hope that they put some fake windows in front of the sheet rock and do the same with the third-floor.


I guess replacing the brick on the crosswalk from city Creek to Regent wasn't in the budget... nor was it in the budget to even take the brick back so that it makes it even a row... they just filled in the empty section with concrete... looks really shabby... I'm kind of hoping that this is temporary. But I'm not even sure why they would take time to fill that in with concrete especially when it's such a pain in the ass to bust out... Why didn't they just put the brick back in??? This doesn't even make sense.


But like I said I do think it looks pretty nice for the most part. I hope to see all of the shops fill up quick.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Old&New

I question these statistics. Regardless, how many of these homeless individuals and families have family and friends who can step up to the plate and offer shelter? We should start a similar program in Utah (it's not as bad as it sounds):


(where did the 30% come from?)

On what authority do you question statistics gathered by the state of Utah. It doesn't fit with your preconceived notions and therefor it must be false? Come on

We do bus people out of town. The road home provides free one way bus tickets to homeless who would have a place to stay elsewhere.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

On what authority do you question statistics gathered by the state of Utah. It doesn't fit with your preconceived notions and therefor it must be false? Come on

We do bus people out of town. The road home provides free one way bus tickets to homeless who would have a place to stay elsewhere.

Go back and read the third quote in my last post, first one being yours.

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I guess replacing the brick on the crosswalk from city Creek to Regent wasn't in the budget... nor was it in the budget to even take the brick back so that it makes it even a row... they just filled in the empty section with concrete... looks really shabby... I'm kind of hoping that this is temporary. But I'm not even sure why they would take time to fill that in with concrete especially when it's such a pain in the ass to bust out... Why didn't they just put the brick back in??? This doesn't even make sense.


But like I said I do think it looks pretty nice for the most part. I hope to see all of the shops fill up quick.

This is ridiculous. Do they not want people to venture south on Regent Street from City Creek Center?

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Old&New

This is ridiculous. Do they not want people to venture south on Regent Street from City Creek Center?

It's definitely temporary. They took way too long to do Regent Street and they had to meet the deadline for the ribbon cutting, the inaugural performances for the Galla today, and then for the open house Saturday and Sunday.

If you get close to it you can see they put a thick sheet of plastic barrier under the poured concrete so it wouldn't bond with the concrete underneath. My guess is that by Monday you'll see it being ripped up and set with bricks.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

On what authority do you question statistics gathered by the state of Utah. It doesn't fit with your preconceived notions and therefor it must be false? Come on

We do bus people out of town. The road home provides free one way bus tickets to homeless who would have a place to stay elsewhere.

On these grounds: remember last year when the state claimed they had "solved" homelessness in Utah? They trumpeted that very loudly last year and got tons of international press. THIS ARTICLE claims we have "178 Chronic homeless people". There are probably that more people asleep on the lawn at Pioneer Park right now. These are all lies. Until we are willing to commit people against their will and change the involuntary commitment laws and BRING BACK STATE MENTAL HOSPITALS IN AMERICA, nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing will change.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Marvland

On these grounds: remember last year when the state claimed they had "solved" homelessness in Utah? They trumpeted that very loudly last year and got tons of international press. THIS ARTICLE claims we have "178 Chronic homeless people". There are probably that more people asleep on the lawn at Pioneer Park right now. These are all lies. Until we are willing to commit people against their will and change the involuntary commitment laws and BRING BACK STATE MENTAL HOSPITALS IN AMERICA, nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing will change.

I completely agree. There are people who really do need someone to care for them who just need the basics to stay alive and that's what State Mental Health did for so many.

2 days ago a homeless man was inconsolable out on the TRAX platform on Main Street at City Creek Center. He attempted suicide by jumping in front of the train and failed. The cops came, they couldn't arrest him. He then tried again. This time they called the ambulance and had him taken to the hospital up at the UofU to pawn the problem off onto them. They kept him for a bit and then sent him away. By evening he was back at the City Creek Center TRAX station doing the same thing again talking about the same thing and talking about how he's miserable and wants to die.

Pretty much the only thing you can do with someone like that is arrest them and put them in a cell for a day or two and hope that they come to their senses because we don't have anything left via charity or via the State that can take care of people like this.

[Palladio]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

I completely agree. There are people who really do need someone to care for them who just need the basics to stay alive and that's what State Mental Health did for so many.

2 days ago a homeless man was inconsolable out on the TRAX platform on Main Street at City Creek Center. He attempted suicide by jumping in front of the train and failed. The cops came, they couldn't arrest him. He then tried again. This time they called the ambulance and had him taken to the hospital up at the UofU to pawn the problem off onto them. They kept him for a bit and then sent him away. By evening he was back at the City Creek Center TRAX station doing the same thing again talking about the same thing and talking about how he's miserable and wants to die.

Pretty much the only thing you can do with someone like that is arrest them and put them in a cell for a day or two and hope that they come to their senses because we don't have anything left via charity or via the State that can take care of people like this.

I don't mean to sound unnecessarily inflammatory, but what the hell are you talking about?

In what world does a jail cell equate to psychological help and medical counseling? For the record, I am a gay person and living in Utah I've known my fair share of friends who have seriously contemplated or attempted suicide. I'm dumbfounded that your response to any one of them would be to, "put them in a cell for a day or two and hope that they come to their senses".

Just to wrap this point up, here are some FAQ's from the help guide.


Myth: Anyone who tries to kill him/herself must be crazy.

Fact: Most suicidal people are not psychotic or insane. They must be upset, grief-stricken, depressed or despairing, but extreme distress and emotional pain are not necessarily signs of mental illness.

Myth: If a person is determined to kill him/herself, nothing is going to stop them.

Fact: Even the most severely depressed person has mixed feelings about death, wavering until the very last moment between wanting to live and wanting to die. Most suicidal people do not want death; they want the pain to stop. The impulse to end it all, however overpowering, does not last forever.

Myth: People who die by suicide are people who were unwilling to seek help.

Fact: Studies of suicide victims have shown that more than half had sought medical help in the six months prior to their deaths.


Let's try to have some humanity on this forum-- I'm all for hearing and entertaining new ideas on how to tackle our city's problems, but please try to understand how nuanced and complicated and how very human these people are.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Palladio

I don't mean to sound unnecessarily inflammatory, but what the hell are you talking about?

In what world does a jail cell equate to psychological help and medical counseling? For the record, I am a gay person and living in Utah I've known my fair share of friends who have seriously contemplated or attempted suicide. I'm dumbfounded that your response to any one of them would be to, "put them in a cell for a day or two and hope that they come to their senses".

Just to wrap this point up, here are some FAQ's from the help guide.


Myth: Anyone who tries to kill him/herself must be crazy.

Fact: Most suicidal people are not psychotic or insane. They must be upset, grief-stricken, depressed or despairing, but extreme distress and emotional pain are not necessarily signs of mental illness.

Myth: If a person is determined to kill him/herself, nothing is going to stop them.

Fact: Even the most severely depressed person has mixed feelings about death, wavering until the very last moment between wanting to live and wanting to die. Most suicidal people do not want death; they want the pain to stop. The impulse to end it all, however overpowering, does not last forever.

Myth: People who die by suicide are people who were unwilling to seek help.

Fact: Studies of suicide victims have shown that more than half had sought medical help in the six months prior to their deaths.


Let's try to have some humanity on this forum-- I'm all for hearing and entertaining new ideas on how to tackle our city's problems, but please try to understand how nuanced and complicated and how very human these people are.

Save the outrage tantrum for Donald Trump. Learn to respond to people's points in their argument or save your outrage currency where it will buy you more attention on Twitter.

When someone is broke and can't afford help for their mental health there isn't a quick crisis center for them. This is a problem in Canada and the United States. Both parties don't care and it largely becomes a task for city and county governments to handle. They often handle it by putting people in jail for a while when they have episodes in public that can be seen as disturbing the peace.

You are right that there is a difference between having a crisis and persistent mental health challenges. Since we lack the crisis support and have horrible long term help for poor people with mental health problems, often the only thing you can do is put people having an episode in jail for a couple days. You can at least limit a person's ability to kill them self in the short term.

I'm not talking about a gay teen calling an anti suicide hotline ran by volunteers, and I'm not talking about a depressed young adult with parents who care about him who are willing to pay for his stay temporarily at a facility ran by mental health professionals. I'm talking about a homeless person threatening to slit their wrists at a Home Depot or as in the case of the day before yesterday, the homeless guy's attempts to get ran over by a TRAX train.

I will talk about issues that matter to me as it pertains to city development and I will not wrap you in a blanket and warm you up soup. I am a human being and I have emotions and yet I'm able to use logic.

[EPdesign]

Having worked in ems full time for several years and still doing it on the weekend, I find that many times people forget that regardless of the individuals ailments, they still have a right to refuse treatment or help. Unless the individual is pink sheeted, I can't transport them to a hospital without their consent. Regardless of how imperative I feel that they should receive help. I don't have the answers or solution to solve the issues the city is facing regarding the homeless or mentaly ill. I don't sugar coat the problem. My partner and I were mobbed once on Rio Grand trying to help someone, so I know first hand how dangerous the area can be, however you can't jail someone with suicidal ideations expecting the experience to all of a sudden make them realize their life is worth living. This seems counterintuitive to the goal.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

I don't sugar coat the problem. My partner and I were mobbed once on Rio Grand trying to help someone, so I know first hand how dangerous the area can be, however you can't jail someone with suicidal ideations expecting the experience to all of a sudden make them realize their life is worth living. This seems counterintuitive to the goal.

The goal would be to have a system to handle mental illness for the poor. Since we have nothing, the goal is irrelevant when someone tries to kill them self right now in the present. You have to first stop the bad thing before you worry about fixing the cause. If someone threatens to suicide themselves on your property or by means of your property you first stop them from doing it. Then you give them time to calm down with less means of killing themselves. Jail isn't a long term solution to mental health (fucking obviously), it's the often turned to short term solution for self harm outside of your home. Things cost money and we don't fund proper mental health help for the poor you default to things things that the public are already paying for like jails.

[s.p.hansen]

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Some of the Finishing Details aren't up to Snuff

[Orlando]

Thanks for the pics! I hope there is more to come in the alley way, like big painted murals on the old brick wall.

[Ironweed]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I'm glad to see Regent street opened again. It's much nicer to walk down then it ever was...

With that said I think they hit a major budget wall. Besides not finishing the Parking garage and cheapening out on the sections that they had already torn out and not replaced with brick.... here are a couple of other jewels.

I could tell early on that this building was just going to get a stucco overlay, but I was really hoping that it would also get some nice new windows on the front... well for whatever reason they decided to just cover up the second floor windows with sheet rock and paint it the same color as the building. They haven't really done anything with the third-floor windows... I'm still holding out hope that they put some fake windows in front of the sheet rock and do the same with the third-floor.


I guess replacing the brick on the crosswalk from city Creek to Regent wasn't in the budget... nor was it in the budget to even take the brick back so that it makes it even a row... they just filled in the empty section with concrete... looks really shabby... I'm kind of hoping that this is temporary. But I'm not even sure why they would take time to fill that in with concrete especially when it's such a pain in the ass to bust out... Why didn't they just put the brick back in??? This doesn't even make sense.


But like I said I do think it looks pretty nice for the most part. I hope to see all of the shops fill up quick.

They should destroy this concrete bunker and start over...

[(Eco)nomy_404]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

Jackie Biskupsi v City Council

I'm ready for Biskupski to go already.

Kitchen seems like he would make for a good Mayor from what I have seen.

Biskupski was initially reluctant to compromise on the City Council's request to have four new homeless resource centers instead of two larger facilities, locking City Hall in an impasse until a closed-door meeting last month when the mayor eventually conceded.

Now, despite the council's request to have the four sites named by Oct. 10, that decision has been delayed until mid-November.

Biskupski also hadn't submitted a plan to solve the city's impact fees dilemma until last week, Rogers said, even though the moratorium the City Council imposed last year expires Nov. 1.

It will take time for the council to review the plan, and any new ordinance will require at least 90 days to take effect, leaving the city in an awkward position, Rogers said.

Council members Lisa Adams and Derek Kitchen both said this week that they too have been "frustrated" by the mayor's pace.

"We're leading out, even though it's not our role. We're not the administration," Rogers said. "But because she's not stepping up to the plate, we have to."

I mean, I can understand why one might take a measured, thoughtful approach to a working issue, but her indecisiveness is really starting to grind the gears. If she is going to stall something like this, she had better come up with one hell of a good plan coming out of it. To come out of it shrugging her shoulders at the Council is quite frustrating to say the least, if not downright unprofessional.

I was disappointed to see Becker go, but I was hopeful. Honestly, I never thought SLC needed a change candidate to begin with. Now we just have to get used to the change she promised, and I'm not liking this change of pace she's brought to the city. She's not exactly slamming on the proverbial breaks of progress, but she is certainly trying her best to downshift a few gears. #BringBackBecker