YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

You nailed it. YVR is easily in range of the standard A350 and the real hint is that the ULR will be all premium which won't be appropriate for YVR.

Let the speculation continue!!!

And no biggy but Singapore Airlines is "SQ" ������

I wish I were a more patient person....

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

DEL is winter only, i just couldn't take it out. Really what this is, is a look at peak service, which is why New Zealand is in there at 7 and BNE is a 789, even though that is their winter peak. With that said I'm going to change everything to summer except leave DEL in, I just can't take it out.

When did AC downgauge NRT? I thought it was 77HD?

Probably have to do with the new NGO flight. AC would rotate 2 aircrafts for NRT and TPE routes next summer.

Lets just hope AC would extend DEL to at least year round... it seems the flight actually been selling pretty well? Right now 3 of the first 4 flights no longer have Y tickets available, and many of the flights have only few seats left in premium cabins too...

[Hot Rod]

Two points:

* Although YVR-PEK on CA is the single largest route, YVR-London remains the largest city pair. Interesting that YVR-PEK or even YVR-HKG is not larger.

* Mexico City is technically not InterContinental but instead is International or even Transborder. However, I know we often 'treat' MEX as InterContinental in that it is a gateway to Latin America. ... thoughts?


Side note, the BA A380 is not that much larger than the AC 777HD.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

Two points:

* Although YVR-PEK on CA is the single largest route, YVR-London remains the largest city pair. Interesting that YVR-PEK or even YVR-HKG is not larger.

* Mexico City is technically not InterContinental but instead is International or even Transborder. However, I know we often 'treat' MEX as InterContinental in that it is a gateway to Latin America. ... thoughts?


Side note, the BA A380 is not that much larger than the AC 777HD.

Only 19 more seats!!!! Shows why the BA a380 is such a pleasant aircraft to fly on. This is including their crammed 2 4 2 business class configuration!

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'm counting over 160 flights to Asia next summer -- not including Oceania or the season DEL route -- Australia's not really part of Asia anyways.

Seriously though, that's pretty insane! I'm guessing that YVR is pretty close to SFO as a hub for Asian flights, at least in terms of # of flights (probably not in terms of # of seats, though).

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Help me out here guys, did Singapore Airlines just accidentally drop a major hint about YVR?

This is what their SVP of sales and marketing told Australian Business Traveler:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airlines-confirms-plans-for-two-class-airbus-a350ulr


So given that San Fran is barely inside of the A350-900s range, and they anticipate adding another destination with the non-ULR A350 variant, that leaves only 2 destinations they could reach, SEA and YVR.

Now it's barely a given, but I like YVR's odds being a Star Alliance hub and an airport SG has served in the past.

Am I missing something here, or is that a pretty obvious signal that YVR is very much on SGs radar?

FWIW, the article is quoting Campbell Wilson, who among prior work with SIA, set-up and managed SIA's office in vancouver when they flew SIN-ICN-YVR.

If AC and SQ both wanted to run a non-stop, how would they decide who gets the lion's share? Aside from what the countries can negotiate in the bilaterals, what's the game theory with 2 airlines (in the same alliance) trying to fly the same route?

In 2003, Campbell moved to Head Office and held positions in the Network Revenue Management and Network Planning departments. In 2006, Campbell was appointed Vice President, Canada and was based in Vancouver, where he was heavily involved in re-establishing a formal air service agreement between Singapore and Canada after a 20-year lapse.

http://www.terrapinn.com/conference/aviation-outlook/speaker-campbell-WILSON.stm

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

You make it sound like I don't keep it up to date!

Only issue I know of is with Air China, no idea what's going on there next summer so I have just left it alone for now, even though changes are for sure coming.

Just a little barometer check, 2016 summer was ~82,000 seats per week so we're looking at total capacity boost of 9.8% already, and it's only Oct.

Star alliance carriers going from 39,000 seats to 45,000 with Cathay, Aeromexico, China Southern and Philippines rounding out the rest of the gains.

Thank you for this update!

[Johnny Aussie]

Just took off from Runway 08R.

Another new YVR route launches!

C-FGDZ doing the inaugural honours.

Requested 30 seconds on the runway? Is that unusual?

[excel]

Yes pretty unusual but could have been as simple as the cabin not being ready for departure when told to lineup.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by excel

Yes pretty unusual but could have been as simple as the cabin not being ready for departure when told to lineup.

were you listening to ATC as well?
If that were the case I would have thought they wouldn't have lined up and waited. Maybe extra roll and spool up required?

[excel]

I was not listening no. It was likely nothing related with the takeoff or mechanical. When did they ask for the delay? After acknowledging the line up instruction or once actually established on the runway?

[nname]

I'm curious of whether the flight would go on Pacific or Atlantic side. Right now it seems to be going pretty much straight north...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

I'm curious of whether the flight would go on Pacific or Atlantic side. Right now it seems to be going pretty much straight north...

It seems to be following the gcmapper route right now... Straight over the Arctic Ocean.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by excel

I was not listening no. It was likely nothing related with the takeoff or mechanical. When did they ask for the delay? After acknowledging the line up instruction or once actually established on the runway?

It was just after acknowledging line up instruction but before being established on runway.

ATC said it was no problem as they didn't have anyone on finals at that time.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

It seems to be following the gcmapper route right now... Straight over the Arctic Ocean.

According to flight plan, the plane would fly over waypoints at
80N 114W
85N 108W
89N 60W
87.3N 32E (ABERI)

This is actually far closer to north pole than the gcmap route... First polar route for YVR?

[trofirhen]

Exciting stuff !!! Hope we get a couple more such routes ..... in the years to come, of course.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

I'm counting over 160 flights to Asia next summer -- not including Oceania or the season DEL route -- Australia's not really part of Asia anyways.

Seriously though, that's pretty insane! I'm guessing that YVR is pretty close to SFO as a hub for Asian flights, at least in terms of # of flights (probably not in terms of # of seats, though).

It's in the summary, 187 flights per week to Asia-Pacific (Oceania is totally AsiaPac)

Though once I amend Air China that number will drop by a few, but I'm sure there are some more to come...

And since you mostly asked, I've put together a chart for SFO (took forever) and likely has more errors than YVR but it gives you a rough number that shows the two are more or less equal gateways to Asia, but SFO has far larger numbers to Europe, Middle East and Latin America.

I'll post it below.

[LeftCoaster]

Here's SFO... prettymuch a list of YVR's dream destinations:

[Johnny Aussie]

Wow! u have a lot of time on your hands!!

This actually makes YVR's service level seem even more impressive! Especially for such a relatively small city.

SFO with a UA mega hub and a population of over 8 million in the greater SF area yet YVR is
70% of their total INT'L capacity but 94% of their Asia Pacific capacity. Definitely at par with SFO.
And yet not a single flight to South America either... Hmmm.

Goes to show what an Asia Pacific powerhouse YVR is.

Europe is what it is... There will be growth but it's still going to be all about Asia Pacific for the foreseeable future.

[excel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

It was just after acknowledging line up instruction but before being established on runway.

ATC said it was no problem as they didn't have anyone on finals at that time.

To the best of my knowledge it was likely the cabin not being secure or a late realization that they may have loaded the wrong departure/frequencies. Possibly slow checklist... But that is unlikely as most SOPs call for all checklists to be completed before lining up other than the lineup checklist of course. However pilots do cut corners more that one might think.