YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by ACT7

Do you mean by a wide margin in percentage terms?

Yes I do. Edited my comment... Thanks.

[CareerShow]

Would someone mind posting that spreadsheet with the destinations, airlines, and aircrafts etc. I cant seem to find it.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Would someone mind posting that spreadsheet with the destinations, airlines, and aircrafts etc. I cant seem to find it.

Ha ha.. Even if you find it it needs a lot of updating with everything going on!

[twoNeurons]

If YVR ever went IPO, I'd be sad... and then I'd buy shares. The potential for profit in that airport is very high.

Think about how many things at the airport are priced low. There are free luggage carts, wifi, nice art, low-priced parking, reasonable airport fees, etc in what is essentially a market without any competition. Seattle isn't REALLY competition for YVR and neither is BLI or YXX. They would have to turn YVR into a profit centre to recoup the cost of the sale.

When you privatize, every expense comes under the scrutiny of profitable or not. Long-term planning usually takes a back seat to quarterly profit and raising dividends for shareholders. You think great airports with art just happen? Those things need long-term planning, a goal that is more than monetary, and locals who take pride in making it happen.

Privatizing YVR is a stupid idea... especially if it's just to bank-roll other non-related benefits.

[MalcolmTucker]

I believe the whole rational is this: right now people make money off of debt issued by airport authorities. Instead of buying the debt, they can buy the airports, then the government can take the money and spend it on other things.

Right now it is just an exploration.

[s211]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

If the City of Vancouver wants to control the airport, they could always buy it.

Sweet mother of pearl, I pray you are only being wildly sarcastic. Otherwise,

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Would someone mind posting that spreadsheet with the destinations, airlines, and aircrafts etc. I cant seem to find it.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Ha ha.. Even if you find it it needs a lot of updating with everything going on!

You make it sound like I don't keep it up to date!

Only issue I know of is with Air China, no idea what's going on there next summer so I have just left it alone for now, even though changes are for sure coming.

Just a little barometer check, 2016 summer was ~82,000 seats per week so we're looking at total capacity boost of 9.8% already, and it's only Oct.

Star alliance carriers going from 39,000 seats to 45,000 with Cathay, Aeromexico, China Southern and Philippines rounding out the rest of the gains.

[west1266]

Thanks for your insight...I'm always amazed how so many on here know so much about airports and aviation in general. I enjoy reading...

[CareerShow]

Thanks. Also does anyone have any idea which airline/country recently had the FAA crack down on them and are not allowing any new routes to the USA? I remember it was in SE Asia but can't quite remember which country. I thought i remember Thai airways maybe being involved, and if this is the case how does this affect a possible route.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Thanks. Also does anyone have any idea which airline/country recently had the FAA crack down on them and are not allowing any new routes to the USA? I remember it was in SE Asia but can't quite remember which country. I thought i remember Thai airways maybe being involved, and if this is the case how does this affect a possible route.

It was indeed Thai.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

You make it sound like I don't keep it up to date!

Only issue I know of is with Air China, no idea what's going on there next summer so I have just left it alone for now, even though changes are for sure coming.

Just a little barometer check, 2016 summer was ~82,000 seats per week so we're looking at total capacity boost of 9.8% already, and it's only Oct.

Star alliance carriers going from 39,000 seats to 45,000 with Cathay, Aeromexico, China Southern and Philippines rounding out the rest of the gains.

CA's PEK route is currently scheduled with 11x weekly 773

AC's NRT had downgauged to 789

AC's DEL does not operate in summer... for now (or maybe you know something we didn't know!?)

CZ's MEX should be 3x weekly (so CAN-YVR terminator should be 6x instead of 7x), though the route had not officially scheduled yet

MU's NKG is not scheduled yet

[LeftCoaster]

Help me out here guys, did Singapore Airlines just accidentally drop a major hint about YVR?

This is what their SVP of sales and marketing told Australian Business Traveler:

Wilson explains that the airline is currently considering both San Francisco and “another North American point”, following the airline's launch of ‘regular’ Airbus A350-900 flights to San Francisco.

That’s because the non-stop Singapore-San Francisco route is only possible with a “slight payload restriction” on the standard Airbus A350-900 aircraft – which means fewer paying passengers on board, less cargo and baggage carried underneath, or even all of the above.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airlines-confirms-plans-for-two-class-airbus-a350ulr


So given that San Fran is barely inside of the A350-900s range, and they anticipate adding another destination with the non-ULR A350 variant, that leaves only 2 destinations they could reach, SEA and YVR.

Now it's barely a given, but I like YVR's odds being a Star Alliance hub and an airport SG has served in the past.

Am I missing something here, or is that a pretty obvious signal that YVR is very much on SGs radar?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

CA's PEK route is currently scheduled with 11x weekly 773

AC's NRT had downgauged to 789

AC's DEL does not operate in summer... for now (or maybe you know something we didn't know!?)

CZ's MEX should be 3x weekly (so CAN-YVR terminator should be 6x instead of 7x), though the route had not officially scheduled yet

MU's NKG is not scheduled yet

CZ to MEX will actually be only 2x weekly and equipment to be determined but probably a Dreamliner

Just a couple more tweaks!

All AC 777s will now be HD

AC to BNE is 788 in summer

It's "Kansai" 😜

NZ to AKL only 5 weekly in summer

KL to AMS is going to be on 333s until early Sept

All TS flights out of YVR are 332s not 333s

[nname]

I think the article talk about potential A350ULR destinations - so after LAX and JFK, SQ plan to switch SFO to ULR so it would not suffer payload restriction... and then consider the 4th NA point with ULR... I would guess its ORD...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Help me out here guys, did Singapore Airlines just accidentally drop a major hint about YVR?

This is what their SVP of sales and marketing told Australian Business Traveler:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airlines-confirms-plans-for-two-class-airbus-a350ulr


So given that San Fran is barely inside of the A350-900s range, and they anticipate adding another destination with the non-ULR A350 variant, that leaves only 2 destinations they could reach, SEA and YVR.

Now it's barely a given, but I like YVR's odds being a Star Alliance hub and an airport SG has served in the past.

Am I missing something here, or is that a pretty obvious signal that YVR is very much on SGs radar?

I read this online publication daily and I did see this story. SIN-YVR is definitely being looked at by both SQ and AC. It's another one of those routes that with the right economics on the right equipment this may actually work.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

I think the article talk about potential A350ULR destinations - so after LAX and JFK, SQ plan to switch SFO to ULR so it would not suffer payload restriction... and then consider the 4th NA point with ULR... I would guess its ORD...

How I understood it from the article was that they were looking at 3x A350-ULR destinations and 2 A350-900 destinations. I could be mistaken though.

My guess for SG north american service would be

A350 ULR:
SIN-LAX
SIN-EWR
SIN-ORD

A350 900:
SIN-SFO
SIN-YVR

Indirect
SIN-MAN-IAH

Interesting to note that everything they have so far is Star Alliance (LAX, SFO and IAH). Bodes well IMO.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

How I understood it from the article was that they were looking at 3x A350-ULR destinations and 2 A350-900 destinations. I could be mistaken though.

My guess for SG north american service would be

A350 ULR:
SIN-LAX
SIN-EWR
SIN-ORD

A350 900:
SIN-SFO
SIN-YVR

Indirect
SIN-MAN-IAH

Interesting to note that everything they have so far is Star Alliance (LAX, SFO and IAH). Bodes well IMO.

You nailed it. YVR is easily in range of the standard A350 and the real hint is that the ULR will be all premium which won't be appropriate for YVR.

Let the speculation continue!!!

And no biggy but Singapore Airlines is "SQ" ������

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

All AC 777s will now be HD

I don't think that's correct. Though they are all 10 across, there are 7 77Ws with 450 seats, and 12 77Ws with 400 seats. The 6 77Ls have a lesser number with 10 across.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

I don't think that's correct. Though they are all 10 across, there are 7 77Ws with 450 seats, and 12 77Ws with 400 seats. The 6 77Ls have a lesser number with 10 across.

But that's what implies HD... 10 across. Yes, there are two configurations for the 77Ws now but they are all considered HD. The 77Ls are a smaller aircraft anyway so that's why they only have 300 seats totals. Even 400 seats on a 77W by Boeing's definition puts it into a HD category. HD = cram more seats into Y.

Just for comparison SQ's 77Ws seat only 264 hence why even 400 is considered HD.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

CA's PEK route is currently scheduled with 11x weekly 773

AC's NRT had downgauged to 789

AC's DEL does not operate in summer... for now (or maybe you know something we didn't know!?)

CZ's MEX should be 3x weekly (so CAN-YVR terminator should be 6x instead of 7x), though the route had not officially scheduled yet

MU's NKG is not scheduled yet

Ya I've got some of the unscheduled stuff in there, it's highly likely to go though so that's why it's there. Some of the iffy stuff is in there too but italicized and zeroed out until a more formal announcement.

DEL is winter only, i just couldn't take it out. Really what this is, is a look at peak service, which is why New Zealand is in there at 7 and BNE is a 789, even though that is their winter peak. With that said I'm going to change everything to summer except leave DEL in, I just can't take it out.

When did AC downgauge NRT? I thought it was 77HD?

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

CZ to MEX will actually be only 2x weekly and equipment to be determined but probably a Dreamliner

Just a couple more tweaks!

All AC 777s will now be HD

AC to BNE is 788 in summer

It's "Kansai" ������

NZ to AKL only 5 weekly in summer

KL to AMS is going to be on 333s until early Sept

All TS flights out of YVR are 332s not 333s

Updated the 77s to all HD. that made a big boost in capacity

Got all the other changes, KLs 789 and 333 are within 2 PAX capacity so that didn't effect the totals, and TS A333 and 332 have the same capacity too somehow so I didn't bother changing that.

Here's the updated with both your corrections (even spelling) and a handy little column comparing capacity to 2016 summer peak: