Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Comrade

State crime statistics are pretty irrelevant and really don't mean much, especially to people who live in high-crime areas of the state.

This is why city statistics carry more weight, since it allows for a bigger, more detailed picture of areas most impacted by crime.

Earlier this year, the FBI released its most violent crime cities in each state. Salt Lake City was listed for Utah with a violent crime rate of 38.2 and 28th nationally. Since Pueblo, Colorado, is listed, and not Denver, at 26th, I can only assume SLC's violent crime rate is higher than Denver's. Tucson was listed for Arizona at 31st, so, again, I can assume it's higher than Phoenix (and Tucson) - and it continues for Seattle (Tacoma for Washington, at 29th), Louisville, KY, Portland (Eugene, at 40th), Boise (42nd) - but still better than a lot of other cities.

http://fox2now.com/2016/02/09/fbi-ranks-st-louis-top-us-city-for-violent-crime-in-2015/

Even so, at the city level, Utah doesn't fair as well. What's interesting to me is that SLC continues to be plagued by higher violent crime than the national average. It's something that has followed the city, really, since the 1970s, and I can't explain it. It's not because we have a high minority population (Denver is much more diverse and lower) or a homeless population (Seattle and Portland beat us there) and it isn't because we're some rundown, down on our luck rust belt city, either...yet here we are.

It's very unusual. On paper, Salt Lake should be a lot like Portland and Seattle and even Denver. But it's worse, or was through much of 2015, than those cities - plus Phoenix...and closer to New Orleans in terms of violent crime than Louisville, which is considered much safer.

I guess it's possible that some of it is due to the city's small borders. I know it's listed as per 100,000 residents, but much of Salt Lake is urban compared to huge stretches of other cities that encompass a great deal of suburbia. Louisville consolidated with its county about 15 years ago or so, which means the city is now spread throughout wealthier, less crime-filled suburbs.

My guess is that's probably it. Denver is its own city and county, too, so, I'm sure there's a lot of affluent suburbs within the city that skews the overall results.

I can't find county statistics but I'd wager they're better than SLC's statistics on its own.

Still...interesting how perception is not always reality. I'd wager the perception of Salt Lake beyond our borders is that of a boring, small religious town with no crime, a homogeneous population and clean streets.

I don't think that's true at all.

Crime statistics are to be studied and investigated not taken at face value. Lot's of things affect crime statistics and many of them don't have much to do with actual crime. Number of officers, their propensity to press charges, aggression of prosecutors. Beyond that the violent crime rate may be comparing bar fights to homicide. It's more complicated than any single number can convey.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Gastroc

Two new homeless shelters? Not so fast, says SLC Council

http://www.sltrib.com/news/4325538-155/two-new-homeless-shelters-not-so

Salt Lake City Mayor Jackie Biskupski's site-selection commission and Salt Lake County Mayor Ben McAdams' Collective Impact initiative had settled on a plan for two new shelters that would house 250 to 300 people each.

A majority of the council now says facilities of that size would overwhelm a neighborhood. Some council members say a shelter should be no larger than 100 beds.

Better yet 75. 7 districts times 75 beds equals 525 beds. Each district houses a distinct population.

I do think that too many people makes the every day behaviors that they exhibit seem too normal and the separation of them from the rest of us makes us think that they are worse than they are. When many of the people you interact with have ridiculous behaviors it normalizes them. When you never interact with people that have fallen on truly tough times you tend to scapegoat them. Intrermixing populations is important. The homeless get role models the privileged realize that these are real people with value.

[bflatflat9]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

Better yet 75. 7 districts times 75 beds equals 525 beds. Each district houses a distinct population.

I do think that too many people makes the every day behaviors that they exhibit seem too normal and the separation of them from the rest of us makes us think that they are worse than they are. When many of the people you interact with have ridiculous behaviors it normalizes them. When you never interact with people that have fallen on truly tough times you tend to scapegoat them. Intrermixing populations is important. The homeless get role models the privileged realize that these are real people with value.

Well said here.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

Crime statistics are to be studied and investigated not taken at face value. Lot's of things affect crime statistics and many of them don't have much to do with actual crime. Number of officers, their propensity to press charges, aggression of prosecutors. Beyond that the violent crime rate may be comparing bar fights to homicide. It's more complicated than any single number can convey.

Here's the FBI's definition of violent crime:

violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Here's the FBI's definition of violent crime:

I have aggravated assaulterated at least 10 people, never been charged. So... Not a statistic.

[Comrade]

Video games don't count.

[Future Mayor]

From the renderings, I absolutely LOVE Hardware Village. It's a nice mix of units, as well as uses. The comparison of number of units vs Sugarhouse and City Creek is pretty impressive. Obviously it still won't have as many as sugarhouse total, as the number were only related to Vue, Liberty and Wilmington, but still, that is a massive amount of new units in that Hardware neighborhood. This along will be a tremendous boast to The Gateway.


As for the homeless shelters, yest 250 beds seems like a lot for one neighborhood, but I don't see District 6 accepting a 100 bed or even a 75 bed facility anywhere within it's boarders. So 5 100 bed facilities is what some are thinking, I guess they are thinking Districts 1-5 can have them, that way the foothill and Sugarhouse neighborhoods won't get them.

[delts145]

I agree with you on Hardware Village. Very excited to see that project becoming reality. Also, I'm with you Future Mayor when it comes to being a fan of the Garbett projects around the metro. I was noticing with Isaac's recent update on their 360 apartments, how there have been some added details since the original renderings. Except for the Halloween motif on some of the balconies,(which they've eliminated)I like the original renderings a lot. Unlike some developers, instead of backing off the original, Garbett has actually added some additional attractive and functional details. Very cool...

Downtown Update - Garbett's 360 Apartments

Isaac Riddle Reports: Full Article @ http://www.buildingsaltlake.com/pictures-despite-challenges-rio-grande-neighborhood-growing/

The 360 Apartments, a project by Garbett Homes, is mostly framed out. The development, directly west of Pioneer Park on 400 West, is six floors with four floors of residential above two floors of parking and consists 0f 151 units.


East-facing side of the 360 Apartments as seen from Pioneer Park. Photo by Isaac Riddle.


The southeast corner of the 360 Apartments as seen from Pioneer Park. Photo by Isaac Riddle.

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[Viperlord]

PAXTON 365
365 west paxton avenue

Paxton 365 is a mixed-use, transit-oriented project located in the Ballpark District of Salt Lake City. The 103,000 sq.ft. building is comprised of commercial space on the ground floor with 103 living units in the floors above. The building also features an outdoor dining courtyard at street level and an even larger courtyard on the 2nd level for residents. The interior has been carefully designed to appear similar to an upscale hotel. High efficiency heating/cooling systems along with solar panels for common area lighting are part of the eco-friendly design used throughout the building. The cantilevered 5th floor community gathering space with a spectacular view of the Wasatch Front is a strong statement piece for the unique mixed-use project.

http://www.jwraia.com/paxton-365

[Orlando]

Delts,
Where did it say that Hardware Village is by Garbett? I'm missing the connection from Future Mayor's post and yours.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Viperlord

PAXTON 365
365 west paxton avenue

Paxton 365 is a mixed-use, transit-oriented project located in the Ballpark District of Salt Lake City. The 103,000 sq.ft. building is comprised of commercial space on the ground floor with 103 living units in the floors above. The building also features an outdoor dining courtyard at street level and an even larger courtyard on the 2nd level for residents. The interior has been carefully designed to appear similar to an upscale hotel. High efficiency heating/cooling systems along with solar panels for common area lighting are part of the eco-friendly design used throughout the building. The cantilevered 5th floor community gathering space with a spectacular view of the Wasatch Front is a strong statement piece for the unique mixed-use project.

http://www.jwraia.com/paxton-365

Interesting design. We'll see if it actually happens, though.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Delts,
Where did it say that Hardware Village is by Garbett? I'm missing the connection from Future Mayor's post and yours.

I'll clarify that on the post Orlando. I was just referring to the many times Future Mayor has commented positively on the diverse Garbett Projects. As you can see in the posted pictures, the post is about the 360 apartments.

[DCRes]

A friend of mine took a tour of 111 today and sent me a few pictures. First from the top floor and then from the roof

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It's interesting that you can see the top of the Wells Fargo Bldg roof. I know that 111 is on higher ground but I've always thought that that building seems more like 400' rather than the 422' that they claim. Does anybody know if the 422' is supposed to be the top of the main structure, or the small little structure on top of it (is that an elevator shaft or utility box, or what?)

[DCRes]

One more. Also, he said that they will be lighting the crown red and blue tonight in honor of the game tomorrow. It will be interesting to see if they change it to solid red or solid blue tomorrow based on the winner.

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[Comrade]

Took this today at the rail yard.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Took this today at the rail yard.

nice photo

You should post one without the frame

[EPdesign]

When we drove up to Yellowstone and passed the Grand Tetons, I wont lie, I was a little underwhelmed. Yes it was absolutely beautiful but the Wasatch just seem so much more impressive to me. They arent as jagged but seem bigger, solid, i dont know. And pics like the one Comrade posted just emphasize it for me. I even like the view from the south looking north east.

[delts145]

Great Photo Comrade! The Wasatch really does give Salt Lake City an iconic setting, that is pretty much incomparable. Of the few cities like Vancouver or L.A. that have mountain/hill backdrops in somewhat close proximity, I think the Wasatch is by far the prettiest. Also, in this pic I'm really noticing the designs of the different towers. While I'm impatient for a few new tallest, I like the look of the skyline and the styles of each of the tower's facades.

[justiny]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

nice photo

You should post one without the frame

I'm pretty sure Comrade framed it for a reason.

[delts145]

Thinking of the upcoming Boyer 151 Tower, which design I really like. I wish we could convince them to increase the height enough to peak out prominently above the current mix from this angle. Also, purely from a superfluous standpoint, it would make for a nice balance if it were a little taller than the COB on the left . I'm also anxious to see them start adding some decent height to the south, between Wells Fargo and The Grand Hotel. As few as three or four new style sexy tallest throughout, and a couple of 300-plus footers between 4th and 6th south would really expand the look of the skyline. At that point, coupled with Salt Lake's unsurpassed backdrop, it would be a very noteworthy skyline that couldn't be ignored.

Pic By Comrade