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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 5:30 AM
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Here's a quick video of the Tuscany extension:
I especially like the overspeed alarms.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 3:05 PM
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Well, that's a good question for a boring Friday afternoon. Here's what I whipped up, although I'm not exactly a gondola expert. I think the primary goals of a gondola would be 1) to improve connections between the W and NW (in particular the U of C - the biggest transit attractor outside of downtown), 2) to better connect the Foothills Medical Centre (FMC) to the rest of the transit system. Secondary goals I think are 3) improving connections to the U of C by connecting the central campus (rather than the LRT station on the far east) and 4) connecting the West Campus development and/or Children's Hospital. Tertiary goals are connecting the other communities in the area, all of which are appropriate for infill/intensification.

I mostly agree with your cyan alignment. My changes would be at the North end, instead of making 3 90deg turns into Brentwood station, continue the line along 37 ST to approximately Research Rd, then take a corner.

I think one of the biggest issues with the gondola is taking those corners. It is possible to do slight angles with just towers. For larger angles you would need a large corner station so that the cars can detach from one pulley and reattach to another pulley at #degrees.

This blog has some good info about gondola systems around the world. I do recall a small write-up on the Calgary proposal at one point as well. This links to their discussion on corners.
http://gondolaproject.com/cornering/
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 6:00 PM
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My comments on a theoretical gondola:

- It's primary purpose, and only real reason for existence, is to cross the river without using Crowchild. Most of the other functions can be served by the north crosstown BRT.
- It needs to be as straight as possible. Every turn means a turning house, which means more capital costs, more maintenance, higher operating costs and more potential for breakdown.
- The golf course is a perfect use for the alignment. No privacy issues and it is owned by the city. Use it
- The gondola has to connect to the proposed BRT at 29th and 16th. Transfers between the two lines is important.
- The above eliminates the need for a stop at Alberta Children's Hospital, as this can be facilitated
- There should be as little stops as necessary. I think Westbrooke, Foothills Hospital, UofC, UofC LRT are all that is needed.

A straighter, simpler alignment is preferable.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 6:23 PM
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My comments on a theoretical gondola:

- It's primary purpose, and only real reason for existence, is to cross the river without using Crowchild. Most of the other functions can be served by the north crosstown BRT.
- It needs to be as straight as possible. Every turn means a turning house, which means more capital costs, more maintenance, higher operating costs and more potential for breakdown.
- The golf course is a perfect use for the alignment. No privacy issues and it is owned by the city. Use it
- The gondola has to connect to the proposed BRT at 29th and 16th. Transfers between the two lines is important.
- The above eliminates the need for a stop at Alberta Children's Hospital, as this can be facilitated
- There should be as little stops as necessary. I think Westbrooke, Foothills Hospital, UofC, UofC LRT are all that is needed.

A straighter, simpler alignment is preferable.
Points for hitting a passing gondola car with your drive? I suppose it could be high enough to avoid this, but that is what came to mind for me.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 7:04 PM
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Here's a quick video of the Tuscany extension:
What's the purpose of the inner rail from :40 to 1:00?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 7:05 PM
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Points for hitting a passing gondola car with your drive? I suppose it could be high enough to avoid this, but that is what came to mind for me.
I could see myself duck hooking the occasional drive into the gondola on #4 at 🞵🞵🞵🞵. Hopefully they use strong enough glass!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 7:15 PM
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What's the purpose of the inner rail from :40 to 1:00?
Appears to be for bridge crossings - such as here over Deerfoot.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 7:46 PM
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Points for hitting a passing gondola car with your drive? I suppose it could be high enough to avoid this, but that is what came to mind for me.
Definitely a consideration, but these things could be placed up pretty high.
     
     
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What's the purpose of the inner rail from :40 to 1:00?
From the TSB at http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/rail/2012/r12e0008/r12e0008.asp :

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Bridge guard rails

Bridge guard rails are designed to keep derailed wheels centered on the bridge structure and to prevent cars from falling off and damaging the bridge or what lies below. Although reasonably effective on tangent track, bridge guard rails are less effective in curves and in situations where the train is partly in the curve. ...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 9:38 PM
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Huh, very interesting, thanks for that
     
     
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Wondering what people think of the blue lights that are appearing on the destination signs of the C-Trains. I just noticed them last week. I find them a bit distracting and they make the signage hard to read during the day.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2016, 5:25 PM
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Wondering what people think of the blue lights that are appearing on the destination signs of the C-Trains. I just noticed them last week. I find them a bit distracting and they make the signage hard to read during the day.
I believe the lights are suppose to distinguish the different lines. Blue line has blue lights and the red line has red lights.
     
     
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I believe the lights are suppose to distinguish the different lines. Blue line has blue lights and the red line has red lights.
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2016, 2:52 PM
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"Important Infrastructure Announcement" with the feds, province and City today at 11 from McDougall Centre.
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1118629&crtr.tp1D=3
     
     
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"Important Infrastructure Announcement" with the feds, province and City today at 11 from McDougall Centre.
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1118629&crtr.tp1D=3
Doubt its green line with Ganley being the point person for the Provincial cabinet. If Ceci or Mason (or both) were at the press conference then I'd be excited for a green line announcement.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2016, 4:29 PM
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Doubt its green line with Ganley being the point person for the Provincial cabinet. If Ceci or Mason (or both) were at the press conference then I'd be excited for a green line announcement.
I believe it is the affordable housing funding agreement. Could also be an echo of the Mason, Sohi, Iveson Transit and transport announcement underway in Edmonton right now.

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Canada and Alberta Reach Agreement under New Federal Infrastructure Funding Programs
September 01, 2016

The governments of Canada and Alberta are making investments to create jobs and grow the middle class now while building a foundation for a strong, sustainable economic future.
Investing in local infrastructure ensures Canadians have safe water and wastewater treatment systems that they can rely on. It also supports efficient, affordable and sustainable public transit systems to get to work, school and public services on time and back home safely at the end of a long day.

Today, Amarjeet Sohi, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities, and Brian Mason, Alberta Minister of Infrastructure and Minister of Transportation, announced a bilateral agreement that will make more than $1.08 billion in funding available under two new federal programs – the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund and the Clean Water and Wastewater Fund.
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“Infrastructure is the foundation of the Canada we want to build for tomorrow. The Government of Canada recognizes that we need a solid partnership with all orders of government to support infrastructure and create good, well-paying jobs that can help the middle class grow and prosper today. We are very pleased to have reached an agreement with Alberta, which will make over $1.08 billion in funding available so that Alberta communities can address their specific infrastructure priorities, while helping grow the middle class with good, well-paying jobs.”
Amarjeet Sohi, Federal Minister of Infrastructure and Communities
The federal government is providing up to 50 per cent of funding – more than $543 million – for projects supported through these programs and the provincial government and municipalities will provide the balance of funding.
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“Working together, we are improving people’s access to clean water, improved wastewater treatment facilities and public transportation, all while supporting economic growth. These investments not only help Albertans get back to work, they also mean better services and better quality of life for everyone.”
Brian Mason, Alberta Minister of Infrastructure and Minister of Transportation
Also announced today was an initial list of approved projects in Alberta under the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund and the Clean Water and Wastewater Fund. The list includes important investments in 46 transit projects across Edmonton to support critical planning for the city’s next LRT expansion, as well as buses, LRT cars and significant infrastructure upgrades for the city’s existing transit system. It also includes 17 water and wastewater projects, such as a regional water supply system extension in Bonnyville that will give residents access to clean and reliable drinking water, supporting future growth and quality of life, and better protecting the local environment.
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“I'd like to thank both the provincial and federal governments for their commitment to infrastructure investments in our city and I look forward to continuing our work together to support an effective public transportation system in Edmonton. It's a critical component of infrastructure that supports the success of this city and its residents.”
Don Iveson, Mayor of Edmonton
Backgrounder: Canada and Alberta Reach Agreement under New Federal Infrastructure Funding Programs
The Calgary specific project:
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Public Transit Infrastructure Fund

The Government of Canada is providing the Government of Alberta with $347,190,000 under the new Public Transit Infrastructure Fund, and will fund up to 50 per cent of the eligible project costs. The Government of Alberta and municipalities will each fund 25 per cent of eligible project costs.

As part of the bilateral agreement with Alberta, the following projects have been approved to date for federal funding amounting to more than $212 million and provincial funding amounting to approximately $106.2 million. Additional projects will be announced in the coming weeks.

17 Ave SE BRT - Phase 2 $42,500,000

Light Rail Transit (LRT) station refurbishment $13,485,000

Calgary Light Rail Vehicles (LRVs) $12,500,000
     
     
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I believe it is the affordable housing funding agreement.
Sounds about right!
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2016, 5:33 PM
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Alberta, Ottawa agree to cost share $1B for public transit, water projects
http://www.660news.com/2016/09/01/albert...re-1b-for-public-transit-water-projects/
"Sohi says Ottawa will chip in almost $550 million, while the province and municipalities will make up the rest."

From Twitter:
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#yyc has application for a further $111 million before fed treasury board under transit program for Green Line #ableg #cdnpoli
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@JamesWoodPress

Actually, Edmonton gets about $144 million more than Calgary in transit funding. (Sorry, deleted tweet with wrong number) #ableg #cdnpoli
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@JamesWoodPress

#yyc gets $68 million in fed transit funding #ableg #cdnpoli
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Transit money isn't new (was in Fed budget). The water money, as far as I can tell, is new to AB (only national total announced in budget).


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Old Posted Sep 1, 2016, 10:34 PM
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Included in today's announcement is funding for phase 2 of the 17th Ave SE BRT. This is a huge win for Calgary's transit network as phase 2 involves the Transitway crossing Deerfoot Trail. This crossing is a huge choke point for transit along 17th Ave SE and will dramatically improve travel times along the corridor which of course improves the service and will hopefully lead to higher ridership and more TOD investments along 17th Ave.
     
     
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