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Old Posted Jul 17, 2016, 4:47 PM
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To solve the glenmore causeway congestion issue, nothing short of a complete reconstruction of 14th and glen more combined with a reconstruction of crow child and glen more will solve the problem.
The SW ring road will likely go a long way to mitigate traffic volumes on Glenmore and 14th. Everyone south of the reservoir will, for the first time, have an alternate route to 14th when heading north.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2016, 4:46 PM
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The SW ring road will likely go a long way to mitigate traffic volumes on Glenmore and 14th. Everyone south of the reservoir will, for the first time, have an alternate route to 14th when heading north.
But to where? For traffic bound for MRU, sure, they will benefit. Perhaps the UofC/Foothills as well. But downtown traffic doesn't benefit. It simply moves from congestion on 14th to congestion on Sarcee/Bow Trail.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2016, 4:59 PM
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I don't think the SW ring road will alleviate much congestion on 14th/Glenmore. Perhaps it will capture traffic from the deep south to the mountains, but there are not really any other major destinations that the ring road will serve. People will still need to use 14th/Glenmore/Crowchild to travel to MRC, Foothills, and U of C etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2016, 6:17 PM
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I don't think the SW ring road will alleviate much congestion on 14th/Glenmore. Perhaps it will capture traffic from the deep south to the mountains, but there are not really any other major destinations that the ring road will serve. People will still need to use 14th/Glenmore/Crowchild to travel to MRC, Foothills, and U of C etc.
That's the unfortunate result about having the Province split the project in two. The west ring road is necessary to carry westbound traffic that wants to bypass the city and also to make movements from NW Calgary to the deep south easier. Until the west portion is complete neither of these types of movements will be much better than they currently are.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 2:27 AM
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I don't think the SW ring road will alleviate much congestion on 14th/Glenmore. Perhaps it will capture traffic from the deep south to the mountains, but there are not really any other major destinations that the ring road will serve. People will still need to use 14th/Glenmore/Crowchild to travel to MRC, Foothills, and U of C etc.
In rush hour, anyone in lakeview and north-west of there knows that if you need to get to the Foothills or U of C, it is faster to go up Sarcee and then east on 16th ave, than it is to go up Crowchild. As someone who drives this area regularly, I think you all are under appreciating the potential utility of the ring road. Glenmore and Crowchild often come to complete standstill at high volume times, and being able to choose an alternate route is huge.
     
     
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In rush hour, anyone in lakeview and north-west of there knows that if you need to get to the Foothills or U of C, it is faster to go up Sarcee and then east on 16th ave, than it is to go up Crowchild. As someone who drives this area regularly, I think you all are under appreciating the potential utility of the ring road. Glenmore and Crowchild often come to complete standstill at high volume times, and being able to choose an alternate route is huge.
What will be very interesting to see is what comes out of the City's recent census, specifically regarding the travel to work questions. I believe I got the longer form questions, asking my work address and how I got to work. Not sure if everyone had that question.

This information will be incredibly valuable. It will give us a much better picture of who works where and how they get there. It can help inform infrastructure decisions, such as the SWRR (which I think was incredibly lacking on rigor and made insane assumptions) or SWBRT about how many people actually could benefit from the new service. It can also help inform broad land use strategies in terms of how people get to work.
     
     
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Didn't really see anything in the news.... Did the SW BRT make it through Council unscathed yesterday?
     
     
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Didn't really see anything in the news.... Did the SW BRT make it through Council unscathed yesterday?
Yep!
     
     
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It has also now been renamed the Joni Mitchell BRT.
     
     
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Didn't really see anything in the news.... Did the SW BRT make it through Council unscathed yesterday?
Yes, but the feelings of beleaguered Lexus driving SWers were sadly trampled to death.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2016, 6:35 PM
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it has also now been renamed the joni mitchell brt.
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Didn't really see anything in the news.... Did the SW BRT make it through Council unscathed yesterday?
They now recommend deferring construction of the transitway to either 2018 (after ATCO utility work) or 2021 (after the Ring Road opens). This is a marked departure from their original plan of building it right now, ASAP.
     
     
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They now recommend deferring construction of the transitway to either 2018 (after ATCO utility work) or 2021 (after the Ring Road opens). This is a marked departure from their original plan of building it right now, ASAP.
They will have to talk to the province and find projects to make up the difference — Calgary needs to build projects, not just fund projects. The funding was announced on Sep 04, 2015. The program ends in 2020-21, but I doubt the agreements signed allow unlimited flexibility on the part of the end date by the city. Certainly waiting until the next decade won't create much economic stimulus.

Hopefully the North Crosstown continues its seemingly smooth sailing.
     
     
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Hopefully the North Crosstown continues its seemingly smooth sailing.
Yes, yes, 100 times yes. A massively important route that is not getting talked about much.
     
     
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Didn't they approve the recommendation to phase the work so that the portion south of Glenmore will start after the ATCO line work? I believe that the north portion can start any time, and the south portion will start 2018/19.

I don't think they are waiting until after the ring road.
My position on this is well known. No delays, GIT 'R DONE!

It makes no sense to me why the construction of a RR has any bearing on when the project should start.

I can grudgingly accept a short delay if utility line work that would otherwise necessitate ripping everything up needs to happen.
     
     
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Didn't they approve the recommendation to phase the work so that the portion south of Glenmore will start after the ATCO line work? I believe that the north portion can start any time, and the south portion will start 2018/19.

I don't think they are waiting until after the ring road.
The July 20th T&T report, which I presume was accepted by council, clearly describes two options for timing of phase 2.
     
     
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The only argument I have heard for a delay that makes sense to me is that when the ring road is open, it gives an alternative route so that residents can avoid construction along 14th. That said, I also think they need to get on with it, but if waiting for ATCO makes sense, that's fair.
Well, I guess that's not totally crazy. Not very convincing but not totally crazy.

Then again, the city thinks nothing of shutting down entire C-train lines pretty much whenever they feel like it so why should we yet again punish the auto-less just so a few drivers don't have to experience a closed lane here and there?

On another topic, nice article in Metro calling out the typical but unhelpfull comments that seem to come up at public forums:

http://www.metronews.ca/views/calgary/ur...e-nothing-to-do-with-calgary-future.html
     
     
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Anyone have a fantasy map of the route a NW gondola system might follow?
     
     
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Anyone have a fantasy map of the route a NW gondola system might follow?
Well, that's a good question for a boring Friday afternoon. Here's what I whipped up, although I'm not exactly a gondola expert. I think the primary goals of a gondola would be 1) to improve connections between the W and NW (in particular the U of C - the biggest transit attractor outside of downtown), 2) to better connect the Foothills Medical Centre (FMC) to the rest of the transit system. Secondary goals I think are 3) improving connections to the U of C by connecting the central campus (rather than the LRT station on the far east) and 4) connecting the West Campus development and/or Children's Hospital. Tertiary goals are connecting the other communities in the area, all of which are appropriate for infill/intensification.

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Here's the overview; I drew a cyan and a green line to represent different routing variations; they are mostly mix-and-match (so the green route through the U of C could be combined with the cyan route through the FMC, for instance.) An orange line shows an additional or alternate potential connection between the FMC and Lion's Park station, which accomplishes goal 2 and goal 1 if the green route to Westbrook is built, but doesn't accomplish the other goals. (But it is shorter/cheaper.) The lines are elevated 30m from the ground, to give a potential sense of vertical scale.
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Through Westbrook/Spruce Cliff, there's only one route that makes sense to me; the straight shot north from the LRT station to the edge of the cliff along Spruce Dr. I use a park to provide a potential turning station (or even a Spruce Cliff community station).
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In Parkdale, I think the location that makes the most sense is the City owned transit park and ride lot at Parkdale and 34th St. My fantasy is to build a modest highrise here of some dozen or so stories, with a gondola station on the roof connected to the ground by elevator. The Bowness/Parkdale/Kensington corridor is a strong bus corridor, so this could be a key connection.
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At the Foothills itself, I show two possible station locations. The cyan line goes to the entrance of the McCaig tower, which is a major lobby and closer to the teaching portions on the north part of the campus (important since this will also connect to the U of C campus). The green line goes to the cafeteria area between the main tower and the Special Services building; not as good a location overall, but it supports a second line or alternate path connecting to the east (the orange line). One constraint here is the helipad; both gondola lines are on the other side of the hospital towers from the helipad to avoid conflicts.
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Through West Campus, I show two substantially different alternatives; the green line provides a connection to the Children's hospital and some of West Campus, while the cyan line is more of a straight shot along the linear park; it could have a station where it turns towards the U of C, but that's fairly close to the potential U of C station shown. It's also possible to build a hybrid; the green path to the Children's hospital, then the cyan line where they cross. I think of the Children's hospital as a much less important node - it's much smaller in terms of employees and patients, parents are less likely to take their sick kids by transit, it's not as tightly connected to the U of C programs. The best station location for serving the ACH and West Campus is on the north side of the hospital around the intersection of W Campus Way / W Campus Dr, but that is much closer to the helipad. I don't know if the helipad could reasonably be relocated further away, or if the distance is appropriate and a station could be built there which would be better than either alignment I present; I leave aviation expertise to others around here.
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On the U of C campus, I have two possible routes shown. The cyan route is shorter and connects at the north side of the Physical Education complex; a little at the edge of the campus, but it has a nice straight shot towards Brentwood station. The green line goes to a station at Craigie Hall, which is more centrally located, but it passes over Mac Hall (3 stories) and the link between the Engineering and ICT buildings (2 stories). Potentially a turning station could be built here and the actual stop on the roof of Mac Hall, why not?
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The orange line goes through St. Andrew's Heights and Hounsfield Heights/Briar Hill, along 13th/15th Aves going over Crowchild. There are the potential for community stops in St Andrew's Heights at the corner of the schoolyard and in Briar Hill around 21A St. The route then connects to North Hill Mall and the Lion's Park LRT station.

The overall length of the system is roughly 6 km from Brentwood to Westbrook. At 30 km/h, probably the fastest possible top speed for a gondola, that is around 12 minutes end to end. Current transit connections are over half an hour, either 31 minutes on the 72/73 or 34 or so connecting downtown on the LRT; the drive is 10 minutes or so without traffic, so it could be a potentially attractive route, assuming fairly high speeds and limited delay due to stations.
     
     
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