Edmonton Construction 13 (November 2015)

[Coldrsx]

Central I presume.


www.buzzbuzzhome.com

[Mikemike]

^ Certainly should be context specific and not everything needs to have retail, but i'd rather have excess retail space than excess parking - the parking has the same negative impact on costs but without the potential upside of streetfront retail. I would actually argue that a small "excess" of retail/commercial space is beneficial to provide locations for business that can't afford full economic new-build rents for concrete buildings with underground parking.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Mikemike

^ Certainly should be context specific and not everything needs to have retail, but i'd rather have excess retail space than excess parking - the parking has the same negative impact on costs but without the potential upside of streetfront retail. I would actually argue that a small "excess" of retail/commercial space is beneficial to provide locations for business that can't afford full economic new-build rents for concrete buildings with underground parking.

And yet I would contend that for-profit developers are not in the business of subsidizing marginal businesses. (I'll exclude merchant developers from that comment. They'll build whatever messes planners demand because they sell the end-product off and it's up to the next sucker to clean up the mess. That long project south of Whyte and east of the rail tracks is a perfect example.)

It is perfectly fine to develop residential-only high density buildings where there is no logical, economic call for other uses. Not every site need be multi-use. Someone shared a ULI piece with me from a few months ago that made this point, quite eloquently. I'll see if I can find a link to it. And coming from ULI, the poster cheerleader for mixed-use, that's quite something for them to admit.

Hey, I love it when mixed-use is truly mixed and works like a charm. It's what fueled my interests back in my urban land days at UBC and it still fuels me now. Maybe that's why I get animated when I see mixed-use seemingly hacked together by the proverbial blind woodsman. This isn't my first rodeo.

[CMD UW]

I think there is a market for retail / office type uses on the main floor of the Brewery site that fronts onto 121 Street. Small salons, professional offices (lawyers, accountants, insurance), medical uses would likely be ideal similar to the uses that exist on the main floor of the Glenora Gates condo across the street. The remainder of the site without frontage onto a public road is better off being residential.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Central I presume.


www.buzzbuzzhome.com

By the description I was given over the phone this looks to be close.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

http://globalnews.ca/news/2909447/edmonton-condo-developer-faces-5-5m-lawsuit/

A condo corporation has filed a $5.5-million lawsuit against Westrich Pacific Corporation, alleging the developer failed to fix issues at its two-building development in southwest Edmonton.

Westrich completed construction on Windermere Waters in December 2012. The lawsuit alleges deficient design in the development’s roofing, balconies and parkade, among other issues itemized in documents filed with the court on July 18.

The lawsuit also alleges negligence in the roof’s design, construction and installation, and leaking balconies and parkade.

The lawsuit names 14 defendants, including the developer and several of its directors.

The lawsuit seeks $1.5 million for the roof, $1.75 million for the parkade and $900,000 for the balconies.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Central I presume.


www.buzzbuzzhome.com

it looks like they stole gabriel's trumpet from the top of the mezzo and split it in two (or is that just the exaggerated perspective?). and if the original related to and paid homage to white avenue, i wonder what each of the two pieces honor on this one...

[technomad]

Originally Posted by CMD UW

I think there is a market for retail / office type uses on the main floor of the Brewery site that fronts onto 121 Street. Small salons, professional offices (lawyers, accountants, insurance), medical uses would likely be ideal similar to the uses that exist on the main floor of the Glenora Gates condo across the street. The remainder of the site without frontage onto a public road is better off being residential.

almost the exact building type I had in mind, but with a more modern style, and construction that doesn't need to be re-skinned in 5 years

I'd be alright with something like this: https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0532606,-...9z8tnq_i_lP3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

[SHOFEAR]

Originally Posted by Ponza

ATCO RFP, sorry if I just missed what happened on this one. Is this still out there or did they just renew their existing space?

I believe a group was hired to do the engineering for an renovation.

[Coldrsx]

I had heard staying put and renos as well.

[EdmTrekker]

Interesting read on the financial perspective on the SW Woodhaven Edgemont development. Some optimism about the Edmonton economy for 2017. Investors in the corporation and similar take note.

"There are 176 third-party sales of single family homes in the community as of June 30, 2016. While management remains optimistic that there will be continued demand for new housing in Edmonton, the current sales activity is behind the original targeted sales pace for the Project. Subject to the timing and extent of the projected economic recovery for Edmonton, the forecasted project duration for collection of final revenue and receipt of recoveries owing to the Partnership is anticipated to be 2021. The Corporation will continue to provide regular updates on market conditions and project performance during the key economic indicators for Edmonton."

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20...lopment-Corporation-Reports-Quarter-2016

For more information about Walton, visit www.Walton.com.

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

I had heard staying put and renos as well.

Does ATCO own their buildings? I seem to think they do.

[240glt]

Well it appears we've made some progress on the Northlands site, the mayor will introduce a motion tomorrow that will include the following:

Prepare a program statement and begin preliminary design to repurpose the Coliseum into a multiplex arena, pending securing necessary consent from Edmonton Northlands (Northlands) and Edmonton Arena Corp. This work should consult with the public and user groups, and explore partnerships with interested hockey and other amateur sports organizations. Report back to Council in Q4 2016 with a proposed project scope and budget profile to advance detailed design.

Work with Northlands and Edmonton Economic Development Corporation (EEDC), with input from the Government of Alberta, to build on existing studies and evaluate best practices for Convention & Event authorities, and bring a recommended model for integration of the Expo Centre and Shaw Conference Centre (and any other relevant public components) to maximize economic impact and community benefit – potentially under the management of Northlands, or EEDC, or under a new agency. Report back to Council Q1 2017

Bring forward a report with Terms of Reference and cost estimates for a new Area Redevelopment Plan, to address repurposing and development options for the horse barns and racetrack site, and any other surplus lands, with special regard to the interface with surrounding communities. Report back to Council Q4, 2016.

Bring forward the necessary approvals required, as soon as practicable, to grant one year of deferral on EXPO centre debt payments from Northlands, subject to their participation in work outlined above, and subject to implementation of their governance reforms. That a further year of debt deferral be contingent on Northlands Board’s submission of a sustainable business plan to Council by June 30 of 2017. Report back on the recommended conditions and steps required at September 20, 2016 Council meeting.

The most promising tidbit from the mayor's website

This motion aims for a number of outcomes, including: taking immediate steps to secure long-term vitality for the surrounding communities, providing opportunities for Northlands to shift course toward sustainability, and securing a more prosperous future for Edmonton’s event, convention and tourism businesses by uniting the convention centres.

We aim to stress the importance of reintegrating the site south of the Expo centre into the surrounding communities. This will be done in a not through the introduction of a bunch of high rise towers that no one wants, but a thoughtful reconstruction of what was there before, and provide a variety of housing options for all walks of Edmontonians

Most important is the acknowledgement that the site cannot sit vacant.

[MalcolmTucker]

Finally a bit of leadership!

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by CMD UW

Does ATCO own their buildings? I seem to think they do.

i think triovest does the asset management on behalf of hoopp (healthcare of ontario pension plan) who own the asset. it's been some time - and i believe more than one subsequent owner - since atco owned it. atco continues to own some of their suburban buildings.

[SHOFEAR]

So....maybe a silly question.

For all the sidewalk repairs front jasper as part of the Mayfair....why wouldn't the city do the jasper Ave street scape improvements at the same time. I assume Procura is just rebuilding the existing infrastructure which seems pretty silly since it is going to be ripped up in a couple years.

Assign a value for the damage that procura is responsible for and the city pays the difference.

Probably some silly bureaucratic reason it can't be done this way but it seems like an obvious win win for everybody.

[Rocket252]

^ Makes too much sense so will never get done

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by 240glt

Well it appears we've made some progress on the Northlands site, the mayor will introduce a motion tomorrow that will include the following:

Prepare a program statement and begin preliminary design to repurpose the Coliseum into a multiplex arena, pending securing necessary consent from Edmonton Northlands (Northlands) and Edmonton Arena Corp. This work should consult with the public and user groups, and explore partnerships with interested hockey and other amateur sports organizations. Report back to Council in Q4 2016 with a proposed project scope and budget profile to advance detailed design.

Work with Northlands and Edmonton Economic Development Corporation (EEDC), with input from the Government of Alberta, to build on existing studies and evaluate best practices for Convention & Event authorities, and bring a recommended model for integration of the Expo Centre and Shaw Conference Centre (and any other relevant public components) to maximize economic impact and community benefit – potentially under the management of Northlands, or EEDC, or under a new agency. Report back to Council Q1 2017

Bring forward a report with Terms of Reference and cost estimates for a new Area Redevelopment Plan, to address repurposing and development options for the horse barns and racetrack site, and any other surplus lands, with special regard to the interface with surrounding communities. Report back to Council Q4, 2016.

Bring forward the necessary approvals required, as soon as practicable, to grant one year of deferral on EXPO centre debt payments from Northlands, subject to their participation in work outlined above, and subject to implementation of their governance reforms. That a further year of debt deferral be contingent on Northlands Board’s submission of a sustainable business plan to Council by June 30 of 2017. Report back on the recommended conditions and steps required at September 20, 2016 Council meeting.

The most promising tidbit from the mayor's website

This motion aims for a number of outcomes, including: taking immediate steps to secure long-term vitality for the surrounding communities, providing opportunities for Northlands to shift course toward sustainability, and securing a more prosperous future for Edmonton’s event, convention and tourism businesses by uniting the convention centres.

We aim to stress the importance of reintegrating the site south of the Expo centre into the surrounding communities. This will be done in a not through the introduction of a bunch of high rise towers that no one wants, but a thoughtful reconstruction of what was there before, and provide a variety of housing options for all walks of Edmontonians

Most important is the acknowledgement that the site cannot sit vacant.

Just where on the Mayor's website does he say "We aim to stress the importance of reintegrating the site south of the Expo centre into the surrounding communities. This will be done in a not through the introduction of a bunch of high rise towers that no one wants, but a thoughtful reconstruction of what was there before, and provide a variety of housing options for all walks of Edmontonians"???? I don't see it.

http://doniveson.ca/2016/08/30/the-next-steps-on-northlands/

[240glt]

^ the italic portion of the quote was from the mayor. The proceeding paragraph which you bolded was my own commentary, supported by the opinions of many local residents, and which vision is shared by the mayor who stated he wished to see an integration plan and ARP pushed forward expediently.

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

So....maybe a silly question.

For all the sidewalk repairs front jasper as part of the Mayfair....why wouldn't the city do the jasper Ave street scape improvements at the same time. I assume Procura is just rebuilding the existing infrastructure which seems pretty silly since it is going to be ripped up in a couple years.

Assign a value for the damage that procura is responsible for and the city pays the difference.

Probably some silly bureaucratic reason it can't be done this way but it seems like an obvious win win for everybody.

A better questions is why didn't we shut Jasper down on that side during these couple of years for construction to do the new roadway work and eventual streetscape...