YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Skies the limit for YVR and new China routes!

Any other routes coming up, other than to China?
Mexico? Europe? USA? Australia?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Ah, thanks for the correction on the A319 -> B788 vs E190 -> B788.

Yes, I can't recall ever having taken a domestic wide-body. Perhaps as a young kid flying with my Dad to Montreal to visit family, but I don't recall. I did get to sit in the cockpit once for the landing at YUL, which was so ridiculously cool!

Agreed, on the Condor/Thomas Cook livery looking sharp. They chose nice colours with which to play around. Agreed, too, on the Xiamen Airlines livery. And, agreed, once more, on the desire to see Singapore send an A359 our way. They've ordered 67(!) of them, so chances are good someday. The next route Singapore will fly with its A359s is to Johannesburg. That could have been an interesting routing for me when I was working on a project there.

I'm pretty hopeful we can see some SG 359s here one day. It may not be the strongest route but with all the money floating around Vancouver these days and the extra frames Singapore ordered I think there's a decent chance.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR has finally updated their June stats (again) in the normal format.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/traffic-update_june-2016.pdf?la=en

Cargo is up too (although only marginally) despite their cargo-only stats sheet showing a massive decline in June... Figured that must have been an error.

Total YTD is up ~ 782,000
Domestic YTD is up ~ 369,000
International YTD is up ~ 413,000

YTD domestic is now < total international.

Weird about the cargo, don't know how they could be so off, looking at their cargo only sheet it doesn't seem to be a type-o either.

Either way that 1 million PAX growth seems pretty attainable now since we've hit 800K already in the first half of the year.

It would be amazing if we were able to skip straight past 21 million and hit 22. It would require an annual growth rate of 8.3%, so not far off where we are now and in line with all the new service we've been seeing.

Originally Posted by Klazu

Boeing already has a software development center in Richmond which is perhaps few hundred people, so likely the 50 is in addition to that. Good new in any case.

Yes this is what happened. the total employees will be 200. 150 existing and 50 new.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Any other routes coming up, other than to China?
Mexico? Europe? USA? Australia?

Probably.

[nname]

And now its here:

Beijing Capital Airlines schedules Vancouver debut in Dec 2016

Beijing Capital Airlines this month has filed planned operational schedule for its debut to Canada. Based on the schedule listing as well as recent approval from the Canadian Transportation Agency, the airline will operate Hangzhou – Qingdao – Vancouver route from 30DEC16, 3 times a week.

Reservation in the GDS is only available in full-fare J and Y class at present time.

JD471 HGH1415 – 1605TAO1805 – 1315YVR 330 357
JD472 YVR1630 – 1940+1TAO2140+1 – 2325+1HGH 330 357

Capital Airlines is set to become the 6th Chinese carrier to serve Vancouver, after Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Sichuan Airlines and Xiamen Airlines.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...es-schedules-vancouver-debut-in-dec-2016

[excel]

Great news. YVR continues to own the Chinese market.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by nname

And now its here:

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...es-schedules-vancouver-debut-in-dec-2016

That's awesome news! Talk about route development, YVR is certainly doing its part to leverage the opportunity crated by the booming Chinese airline expansion efforts.

It looks like Beijing Capital Airlines will operate the route with A332 equipment, or potentially in the longer term the A333 that it has on order.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Beijing-Capital-Airlines

Looks like a colourful livery:

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by excel

Great news. YVR continues to own the Chinese market.

It sure does!! I just wish YVR had a bigger bite of the Oceania / SE Asia market: Melbourne, Tahiti (AF could do that seasonally in winter), maybe Singapore, Bangkok .....

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by excel

Great news. YVR continues to own the Chinese market.

More like the Chinese market continues to own YVR.

I was dismayed to see the big expensive advertising billboard space just outside international arrivals taken up by: a company offering Chinese immigration services; two big developers prominently touting real estate to the same market; and finally Lulu Island Winery. Not the greatest welcome for visitors coming from anywhere else in the world. It would be nice if BC's attractions were promoted, rather than just the usual real estate pitches.

[nname]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I was dismayed to see the big expensive advertising billboard space just outside international arrivals taken up by: a company offering Chinese immigration services; two big developers prominently touting real estate to the same market; and finally Lulu Island Winery. Not the greatest welcome for visitors coming from anywhere else in the world. It would be nice if BC's attractions were promoted, rather than just the usual real estate pitches.

Maybe.. there should be more advertisements for Capilano Suspension Bridge, so visitors can drop $40 each to go see a... umm.. suspension bridge?

[Klazu]

Those Concord Pacific and Westbank ads have been there for ages.

[Henbo]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

It sure does!! I just wish YVR had a bigger bite of the Oceania / SE Asia market: Melbourne, Tahiti (AF could do that seasonally in winter), maybe Singapore, Bangkok .....

No "official source" for this one, but one of my friends recently started working for Air Canada, and she heard that they are planning to launch a YVR - Singapore route soon. She said not this year, but it sounds like next year

[Skygazer]

Originally Posted by Henbo

No "official source" for this one, but one of my friends recently started working for Air Canada, and she heard that they are planning to launch a YVR - Singapore route soon. She said not this year, but it sounds like next year

I really hope this happens! Singapore is by far one of the countries I'm most interested in visiting but right now it's quite inconvenient.

I've looked at flights in the past and the most common route I'm offered is flying 12 hours to Shanghai, a 5 hour layover while jet-lagged and tired, and then 6 more hours of flying to get to Singapore, which is pretty off-putting to me.

Whereas if I could just hop on a plane in Vancouver and get off in Singapore that would be amazing

[Klazu]

While that is exciting, Air Canada on that route would diminish chances of seeing Singapore Airlines at YVR.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Klazu

While that is exciting, Air Canada on that route would diminish chances of seeing Singapore Airlines at YVR.

Or it could spur them to compete, like United did with their SFO-SIN service which prompted a very swift reaction from SQ. As much as I myself would also love to see SQ back at YVR, the cards are stacked against them. The chinese airlines are going to eat their lunch when it comes to competitive pricing, and their connection/population base are much higher. Not to mention SQ would be facing a huge fuel burn penalty against the likes of our existing Asian carriers due to its further location. Maybe, just maybe the A350 could change the game...

On another note, the Capital Airlines news is very interesting. They only have 3 A330 in their entire fleet, they'd really be utilizing 1/3 of their fleet to fly to YVR if they are to start the route. They're also majority owned by Hainan Airlines, who already has service to Seattle.

[mezzanine]

I suspect a lot of YVR news from SE Asia in the future. SQ, Vietnam Airlines, and Thai Airways are getting new deliveries for new and efficient 787s and A350-900s. Thai and Vietnam at least have expressed interest in trying to fly to YVR, and SQ if they fly here again (and maybe Thai) can get a good chunk of higher yield star-alliance traffic.

There was even chatter on CAPA on AC servicing YVR-SIN-BKK but i can't access the article (no account PW!) FWIW, just the one-sentence lede:

Air Canada is reportedly looking into the feasibility of launching Vancouver-Singapore-Bangkok service (Airlineroute, 02-Jun-2016).

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I was dismayed to see the big expensive advertising billboard space just outside international arrivals taken up by: a company offering Chinese immigration services; two big developers prominently touting real estate to the same market; and finally Lulu Island Winery. Not the greatest welcome for visitors coming from anywhere else in the world. It would be nice if BC's attractions were promoted, rather than just the usual real estate pitches.

seriously?

1) for the past 10-20 years the long-range plan for YVR growth is to become a traffic hub between Asia and the Americas. Which includes encouraging flights/pax from China.

2) those "big expensive billboards" provide non-aeronautical revenue to YVR to keep landing fees, etc down

3) Those billboards have been up for at least 1-2 years now and I don't think non-Chinese tourists are as dismayed.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

More like the Chinese market continues to own YVR.

I was dismayed to see the big expensive advertising billboard space just outside international arrivals taken up by: a company offering Chinese immigration services; two big developers prominently touting real estate to the same market; and finally Lulu Island Winery. Not the greatest welcome for visitors coming from anywhere else in the world. It would be nice if BC's attractions were promoted, rather than just the usual real estate pitches.

That's Vancouver: the city that would sell its own mother if such a thing existed. Already selling its soul .... but that's another thread.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

I suspect a lot of YVR news from SE Asia in the future. SQ, Vietnam Airlines, and Thai Airways are getting new deliveries for new and efficient 787s and A350-900s. Thai and Vietnam at least have expressed interest in trying to fly to YVR, and SQ if they fly here again (and maybe Thai) can get a good chunk of higher yield star-alliance traffic.

There was even chatter on CAPA on AC servicing YVR-SIN-BKK but i can't access the article (no account PW!) FWIW, just the one-sentence lede:

A bit strange that it isn't YVR-BKK-SIN. Firstly, the suggested route makes sort of a zig-zag. Second because YVR-BKK-SIN is shorter. I guess they want Singapore first because of prestige and/ or connectivity and / or yield (?)

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Henbo

No "official source" for this one, but one of my friends recently started working for Air Canada, and she heard that they are planning to launch a YVR - Singapore route soon. She said not this year, but it sounds like next year

That's a very interesting rumour. Last year I would have dismissed it immediately but with AC launching to Dehli so soon they have shown they are willing to take a dive into a long and untested market.

As much as I'd rather SQ run the route I just would like to see anyone flying it.

[Denscity]

Jeppesen Aviation has given our airport YCG a proposal to improve landings at our airport and try to rid ourselves of the "Cancelgar" moniker. These guys are owned by Boeing right? They seem to know what they are doing?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

That's a very interesting rumour. Last year I would have dismissed it immediately but with AC launching to Dehli so soon they have shown they are willing to take a dive into a long and untested market.

As much as I'd rather SQ run the route I just would like to see anyone flying it.

Vancouver to Singapore. Nonstop, I presume. What kind of metal would they use? 777X or what?