ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[testarossa50]

What a bizarre development in Sugar Hill. I love how strange and random it is. It's like an exhibit in knocking-off international architectural motifs.

[Triptychtwo]

August DRC

5:30 NEW APPLICATION: Spring @ 8th Street, Phase II
Project Type: The proposed development is located on the southern portion of the Spring Street
frontage of the 4.15 acre site. Phase II is bordered by Spring Street to the east, Square
on 5th (SQ5) to the south and Centergy parking deck to the west. Phase II will connect
to the south side of the Phase I building at the same elevation and includes
approximately 240,500 square feet of corporate office space, 9,662 square feet of retail,
streetscape amenity space and active uses. The integrated parking deck will connect to
level 1 of the Phase I deck and includes approximately 515 parking spaces for
employees, retail and visitors.

6:00 NEW APPLICATION: Academy of Medicine
Project Type: Georgia Institute of Technology proposes a new gate and fence around the front of the
Academy of Medicine property. Over 230 events are conducted annually on site such as
weddings, movie and TV filming, and various campus events. The purpose of the gate
and fence is for security and to prohibit dog walking and general trespassing when
events are being conducted.

6:30 NEW APPLICATION: 190 Eleventh Street
Project Type: Exterior renovations are proposed to the triplex located on the NE corner of 11th Street
and Dickson Place. The scope of work includes new windows, roof and siding along with
a new stair to create access to the upstairs unit.

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

Originally Posted by Triptychtwo

August DRC

5:30 NEW APPLICATION: Spring @ 8th Street, Phase II
Project Type: The proposed development is located on the southern portion of the Spring Street
frontage of the 4.15 acre site. Phase II is bordered by Spring Street to the east, Square
on 5th (SQ5) to the south and Centergy parking deck to the west. Phase II will connect
to the south side of the Phase I building at the same elevation and includes
approximately 240,500 square feet of corporate office space, 9,662 square feet of retail,
streetscape amenity space and active uses. The integrated parking deck will connect to
level 1 of the Phase I deck and includes approximately 515 parking spaces for
employees, retail and visitors.

Neat, the new NCR tower?

How does the square footage compare to the first tower? My gut is that the new tower is going to be much shorter than the first one.

[Triptychtwo]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

Neat, the new NCR tower?

How does the square footage compare to the first tower? My gut is that the new tower is going to be much shorter than the first one.

First tower:

The completed project will deliver approximately 516,000 SF of office space

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

Neat, the new NCR tower?

How does the square footage compare to the first tower? My gut is that the new tower is going to be much shorter than the first one.

The space for the new tower is smaller so the parking will take up more floors, for instance. And there will be less floor space per floor. So maybe it will be similar size.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Triptychtwo

6:00 NEW APPLICATION: Academy of Medicine
The purpose of the gate and fence is for security and to prohibit dog walking and general trespassing whenevents are being conducted.

This project grinds my gears.

NCR phase II's size... Womp womp. At least there's ground floor retail.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Triptychtwo View Post
6:00 NEW APPLICATION: Academy of Medicine
The purpose of the gate and fence is for security and to prohibit dog walking and general trespassing whenevents are being conducted.

Originally Posted by street advocate

this project grinds my gears.

The fact that GA Tech doesn't want the Academy of Science's front lawn treated as a defacto dog park (because the other apartments/condos failed to provide better greenspace a decade ago) or the fact that skateboarders have started to damage the front steps for the sake of photo shoots with their friends?

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

This project grinds my gears.

NCR phase II's size... Womp womp. At least there's ground floor retail.

You would think at this stage of construction, they could just add 10 - 15 stories to Phase I and build additional parking, retail into the Phase II site and have it engineered so they could add office space in the future if needed.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

The fact that GA Tech doesn't want the Academy of Science's front lawn treated as a defacto dog park (because the other apartments/condos failed to provide better greenspace a decade ago) or the fact that skateboarders have started to damage the front steps for the sake of photo shoots with their friends?

Yes. This absolutely grinds my gears. This is a defacto pocket park in an area of town with rapidly increasing density. You cannot expect people to walk their dogs over half a mile to Piedmont before they use the restroom. Putting up a fence with the intention of hindering people from using their property makes GT a bad neighbor at this property. While they say it's to deter people during events, I imagine they really mean at all times of day. IMO, it's just as if not more rude of a response to those who are not courteous neighbors and may interrupt or walk through an event.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Yes. This absolutely grinds my gears. This is a defacto pocket park in an area of town with rapidly increasing density. You cannot expect people to walk their dogs over half a mile to Piedmont before they use the restroom. Putting up a fence with the intention of removing people from their property makes GT a bad neighbor at this property. While they say it's to deter people during events, I imagine they really mean at all times of day.

This is not a defacto pocket park...it's a dejure private lawn. They are in no way responsible for providing greenspace for people to do anything in that section of Midtown. It's a small front lawn that they obviously want to keep beautiful and are apparently having problems doing so due to the people in the area abusing it. Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me...everything cannot be open to the public.

They have a right to keep people from tearing up their lawn just like anyone else.

[BlueSangha]

DRC Meeting...yawn.

[MdtwnATL]

Originally Posted by Triptychtwo

August DRC

6:30 NEW APPLICATION: 190 Eleventh Street
Project Type: Exterior renovations are proposed to the triplex located on the NE corner of 11th Street
and Dickson Place. The scope of work includes new windows, roof and siding along with
a new stair to create access to the upstairs unit.

Isn't this the old building that is literally leaning and looks like it's about to cave in?? Why bother - just demolish. This doesn't belong in that area anymore.

[Chris Creech]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/...negotiations-for-four-tower-project.html

MARTA enters negotiations for four-tower project at Midtown's Arts Center station

Wasn't this also considered as a site for any sort of future Symphony Hall expansion. Especially now that the 14th street lot looks to be in development. Seems like some sort of multi-tower mixed use with retail etc. AND a new Symphony hall.

Or is the new Symphony Hall going to be in that Peachtree facing redo that takes the center up to the corner of 15th and P'tree.

[daharris80]

Originally Posted by Chris Creech

Wasn't this also considered as a site for any sort of future Symphony Hall expansion. Especially now that the 14th street lot looks to be in development. Seems like some sort of multi-tower mixed use with retail etc. AND a new Symphony hall.

Or is the new Symphony Hall going to be in that Peachtree facing redo that takes the center up to the corner of 15th and P'tree.

The current plan for the Woodruff Arts Center (here) does not envision expansion into the Arts Center Station land.

The Master Plan (here) does include the development of the Arts Center but it is difficult to tell whether that development was envisioned as part of the overall area or was a plan to expand Woodruff Arts Center in that direction. If the former, the current redevelopment plan for Woodruff plus this proposal would likely, in combination, realize the 2009 Master Plan.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by daharris80

The current plan for the Woodruff Arts Center (here) does not envision expansion into the Arts Center Station land.

The Master Plan (here) does include the development of the Arts Center but it is difficult to tell whether that development was envisioned as part of the overall area or was a plan to expand Woodruff Arts Center in that direction. If the former, the current redevelopment plan for Woodruff plus this proposal would likely, in combination, realize the 2009 Master Plan.

Here is the architects page on that master plan: http://www.sasaki.com/project/93/woodruff-arts-center-expansion-master-plan/

[clexmond]

Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

This is not a defacto pocket park...it's a dejure private lawn. They are in no way responsible for providing greenspace for people to do anything in that section of Midtown. It's a small front lawn that they obviously want to keep beautiful and are apparently having problems doing so due to the people in the area abusing it. Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me...everything cannot be open to the public.

They have a right to keep people from tearing up their lawn just like anyone else.

GT is a public institution.

[RocketSurgeon]

Originally Posted by clexmond

GT is a public institution.

Being operated or funded by the state doesn't make it open to the public. They still control their own property. And, let's be honest here, we're talking about a patch of grass with a path through it. It doesn't even remotely resemble a park, and no one spends any leisure time there. There aren't even any benches. Would I rather them keep it open? Sure, I live nearby and happen to be one of the people who walks a dog there (and pick it up, for the record). However, Tech doesn't owe me a dog toilet.

The real problem is that Midtown doesn't have any public parks aside from Piedmont. That's a real godsend, but it's in a far corner and a long walk for many residents. The city desperately needs to invest more in pocket parks, preferably before land prices get even higher than they already are. I'm not holding my breath though.

[Hokiehaven]

Originally Posted by sbrptree

Unfortunately any hope of Cobb getting any type of fixed guideway transit in the near to mid future is gone with the wind with the defeat of Chairman Tim Lee - also known for orchestrating the Braves deal and getting beat in the recent election. The rest of the Commission has not been supportive of such transit measures so until the political will in Cobb changes - the auto and CCT / Cobb Connect is all they have for a while.

Perhaps the traffic density will start to change minds or at least the population change with the new stadium, can always hope. I have a feeling it will inevitably happen, particularly if other communities do it.

[Hokiehaven]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I am so glad to see MARTA pursuing dense TOD at key stations. Hope they stay the course. Amanda Rhein is a great person to have in charge.

This is very exciting, hopefully they can move on this sooner than later and it's a success, then they can move on to the Midtown station.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by clexmond

GT is a public institution.

Yes, but every building is not open to the general public. They have no more obligation to open up this lawn to public use than any of us do, but GT does have lots of open lawn available for the public all across campus - just not this one. I assume from the wording that they have been having problems with people abusing the space - hence the need to make a change.

No one (individual, institution, or other) should be required to allow strangers to use their private green space just because it's convenient.