YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 470

Johnny Aussie · #**9381** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

So is this an increase from winter 2015 or a resumption of what they did last year?

Last winter was 10 weekly (3 standalone, 4 went to JFK and 3 to YYZ)

The JFK flights were on A340s and the terminator and YYZ flights were 77Ws.

In March this year they dropped the terminator flights but upgauged JFK to 77Ws. This decreased the frequencies from 10 weekly to just daily.

So, in short, back to same frequencies but more capacity due to all 77Ws this winter.

Johnny Aussie · #**9382** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 9:07 AM**

QF 75 departed a tad late.

ETA now 2:35pm

One World livery.

Have fun.

trofirhen · #**9383** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 10:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

QF 75 departed a tad late.

ETA now 2:35pm

One World livery.

Have fun.

Love 'dat QANTAS livery !!!

excel · #**9384** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 7:20 PM**

Won't be able to make it out there today

Pictures please!

dharper · #**9385** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 10:01 PM**

I live in North Surrey/Langley area. I was outside at 2:40PM, and I heard a large aircraft flying over head. At first it looked like a Qantas tail, but it was only a twin engine, I think it was a 777. It also had large black font name on the side of the fuselage. I wish I had my glasses on to read what it said, or to make out the tail. I am sure it wasn't Qantas, but without glasses, it definately resembled it.

SFUVancouver · #**9386** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by dharper

I live in North Surrey/Langley area. I was outside at 2:40PM, and I heard a large aircraft flying over head. At first it looked like a Qantas tail, but it was only a twin engine, I think it was a 777. It also had large black font name on the side of the fuselage. I wish I had my glasses on to read what it said, or to make out the tail. I am sure it wasn't Qantas, but without glasses, it definately resembled it.

Qantas tails are bright red, but they run a 747 to YVR, so if it was a twin engine jet it wasn't theirs that you saw. I wonder whose it was? Air China, perhaps?

dharper · #**9387** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 10:09 PM**

[QUOTE=SFUVancouver;7491157]Qantas tails are bright red, so it wasn't theirs that you saw.

I just looked at the YVR webcam, and the plane in question was Edelweiss, and coincidentally, it is parked beside the Qantas 747. And seeing them side by side, they look nothing alike, other than the tails are both a shade of red.

Johnny Aussie · #**9388** Posted **Jun 30, 2016, 11:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by dharper

I just looked at the YVR webcam, and the plane in question was Edelweiss, and coincidentally, it is parked beside the Qantas 747. And seeing them side by side, they look nothing alike, other than the tails are both a shade of red.

YVR webcam?!?!

Link please!!

Edit: found them! Wow never knew these existed... Awesome.

4 views... Although they look like they need to be cleaned!

http://www.metcam.navcanada.ca/lb/cameraSite.jsp?lang=e&id=202

****Sunwing Airlines Winter Changes****

Looks like YVR will see 18 departures per week. This is up 1 pw over last winter.

LeftCoaster · #**9389** Posted **Jul 4, 2016, 10:16 PM**

Hmm cleaned and maybe updated with a slightly more hi-res camera. What is this 2003?

JAL with some new codeshares, boosting their feed into the YVR route. Hopefully it will help push this one to a 787-900 or A350 eventually.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...anadian-codeshare-routes-from-july-2016/

Also, AC cancelled their YYZ-Rio route from Oct 2016. This does not bode well for YVR's South American ambitions as clearly the economic and political issues in Brasil are having a material impact.

I'm still hopeful for a SCL-LIM-YVR route, as I think with mining finally coming out of their near decade long bear market it could be a strong route. LATAM Chile has a ton of new 787-8 and 787-9s that need to be deployed or some 767s that will be freed up by the new dreamliners that could easily make the LIM run and even the SCL in a pinch.

Genauso · #**9390** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Also, AC cancelled their YYZ-Rio route from Oct 2016. This does not bode well for YVR's South American ambitions as clearly the economic and political issues in Brasil are having a material impact.

I think Bogota, Colombia will end up being a network connection for YVR.

Genauso · #**9391** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:37 AM**

Here are some distances to major airports in South America and Africa from Bogota.

From To Initial
Heading Magnetic
Heading Distance
Total: 63,425 km
Average: 5,285 km

Show latitude and longitude
Show fractional heading

YVR BOG 6,747 km (Bogota, Colombia. #2 in South America, 25mn pax)

BOG JNB 11,481 km (Johannesburg. South Africa. 19mn pax)
BOG CMN 7,553 km (Casablanca, Morocco. 8mn pax)
BOG LOS 8,576 km (Lagos, Nigeria. 7.5mn pax)
BOG ALG 8,574 km (Algiers, Algeria. 6.5mn pax)

BOG GRU 4,326 km (1 of 2 major airports in Sao Paolo, Brazil. 36mn pax)
BOG BSB 3,677 km (Brasilia, Brazil. 16.5mn pax)
BOG SCL 4,231 km (Santiago, Chile. 15.2mn pax)
BOG LIM 1,879 km (Lima, Peru. 15.2 mn pax)
BOG CCS 1,023 km (Caracas, Venezuela. 12mn pax)
BOG AEP 4,648 km (Buenos Aires, Argentina. 9.6mn pax)
BOG UIO 710 km (Quito, Ecuador. 5.8mn pax)

Passenger numbers taken from the summary pages in Wikipedia because it was easy. I did mean to include Rio de Janeiro, but skip others intentionally just to give better coverage in the sample of possibilities. Maybe I should have included the Carribean and Central America too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_South_America

Genauso · #**9392** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:47 AM**

Here's one more post, comparing travel to South Africa via Bogota as opposed to the current routes through Europe, which usually have monster layovers.

2 segment path:
YVR LON 7,611 km
LON JNB 9,038 km
16,650 km

2 segment path:
YVR FRA 8,087 km
FRA JNB 8,658 km
16,744 km

2 segment path:
YVR BOG 6,747 km
BOG JNB 11,481 km
18,228 km

3 segment path:
YVR BOG 6,747 km
BOG GRU 4,326 km
GRU JNB 7,451 km
18,524 km

Distance comparable, but potential for shorter legs (still along the circle routes) allows steadier volume and more convenient/frequent flights. Sub-Saharan Africa and South America ought to grow closer together into the future, given their populations and growth rates.

There will be denser connections in Mexico, Texas, Miami, Atlanta for YVR to access. I don't think Bogota will be transformative, just that it will be about the right distance, with the right domestic context (peace, growth), in the right spot, at the right time. I'm not sure that there is the right plane out there in a YVR fleet to serve a 7000km route, so maybe no YVR-BOG link but I still think Colombia will have a good couple decades to prosper and become a bigger hub for the region.

edit: for anyone else wondering. YVR-PTY (Panama, 7.8mn pax) is 6021km. YVR-SJO (Costa Rica, 3.8mn pax) is 5646km.

Klazu · #**9393** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 5:19 AM**

Has anyone ever had the pleasure of on the way back from Europe being rerouted to take the eastern path around the world? My wife is currently only this journey, having missed her HEL-LHR-YVR connection due to weather in Finland. Apparently the BA A380 was fully booked on the next day (and there is only one connection per day), so they rerouted her through NRT instead! That's a nice 20 hours of flying with a 8 hours transit in Tokyo vs. 14 hours through London.

I am surprised that Finnair didn't reroute her through the US or another Canadian city, but I suppose One World connections to YVR are not the greatest. Perhaps the connection via JFK and then on Cathay was also sold out or would have made for a longer transit? Still quite strange and although I am sure it was nice to see Japan again, I would be flabbergasted having to fly all the way there to get here.

The only other option they had offered was through HKG, which is even less ideal. Go figure, but at least they rerouted her free of charge. If she would have happened to have Lufthansa flights this time around, I am not sure if she would have been so lucky, considering that the original domestic flight was on a Finnair subsidiary.

Quite a trip having to make a RTW to make it back.

mezzanine · #**9394** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 5:34 AM**

^ my guess is that Finnair already had a lot of routes to asia as they are trying to make themselves the gateway from Europe. Why go trasatlantic and rely on 1 One world partner (american via LAX or DFW, if BA is not an option), when you can get a likely more readily available flight from either HKG or japan? and FWIW, JAL/CX>>>>>American Airlines (insert poo emoji here)

casper · #**9395** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 5:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Has anyone ever had the pleasure of on the way back from Europe being rerouted to take the eastern path around the world? My wife is currently only this journey, having missed her HEL-LHR-YVR connection due to weather in Finland. Apparently the BA A380 was fully booked on the next day (and there is only one connection per day), so they rerouted her through NRT instead! That's a nice 20 hours of flying with a 8 hours transit in Tokyo vs. 14 hours through London.
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Lots of One world options: BA flies into several Canadian cities including Calgary. They also fly into Seattle as well as California. BA and American code share on the connecting WestJet flight and Alaska airline flights. Cathay Pacific also has the red-eye flight from JFK to Vancouver that connects with a good number of flights from Europe. That all assumes there is available space. That could be the problem.

mezzanine · #**9396** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 5:55 AM**

Came across this. If Turkish and Thai airways will make a decision soon about serving the Pacific northwest, this would be important. Even AC would be able to get a leg up by adding new feeder flights to YVR from the USA and eat a bit more of Delta's connection passenger lunch in the next 2-3 year window.

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EXCLUSIVE: Delta won't add international routes until new Sea-Tac terminal is built

Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) would add new international routes to Seattle right now if it could. Instead, the airline probably won’t make any of those moves until late 2019.

In an interview this week, Delta CEO Ed Bastian said his airline is “facility-constrained” at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, because of congestion as people move through customs.

The current receiving area for international passengers, built more than 30 years ago at the airport’s South Satellite, gets extremely congested at midday peak periods, as travelers try to squeeze through customs.

“It would be difficult to bring more international traffic flow at this time,” Bastian said. “There’s a limit to how long customers can wait to clear.”

Congestion at the facility didn’t stop China’s Xiamen Airlines from announcing a new route to Shenzhen this week.

Bastian said Delta won’t subject its own passengers to that type of squeeze.

“When the facility comes online, that will support growth,” he said, adding that the airline sees more “opportunities” in Asia, as well as Mexico and Latin America.

The Port of Seattle wants to fix the problem as rapidly as possible, and is planning groundbreaking for a new $608 million International Arrivals Facility in the fourth quarter of this year, said Sea-Tac Spokesman Perry Cooper. The building is supposed to be done at the end of 2019.

“If Delta feels they want to wait until new facility come up, there are probably other airlines feeling the same thing,” Cooper said. “We more than realize the capacity constraints in our current facility can be a factor in airlines' decisions, so that’s why we want to get this project up and going.”

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/...delta-wont-add-international-routes.html

mezzanine · #**9397** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 6:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Lots of One world options: BA flies into several Canadian cities including Calgary. They also fly into Seattle as well as California. BA and American code share on the connecting WestJet flight and Alaska airline flights. Cathay Pacific also has the red-eye flight from JFK to Vancouver that connects with a good number of flights from Europe. That all assumes there is available space. That could be the problem.

Huh! I forgot about the cathay JFK-YVR flight. HEL-JFK-YVR would've been a cool alternate route. (oops, also didn't read Klazu's consideration of the route in his first post)

I know that for AC, their preference for IROP bookings is to make AC/Star alliance rebookings a higher priority and non-alliance code share bookings a lower priority.

trofirhen · #**9398** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 4:38 PM**

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LeftCoaster · #**9399** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 9:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

Came across this. If Turkish and Thai airways will make a decision soon about serving the Pacific northwest, this would be important. Even AC would be able to get a leg up by adding new feeder flights to YVR from the USA and eat a bit more of Delta's connection passenger lunch in the next 2-3 year window.

Hmm sounds like good news for YVR, and gives them a few years breathing room to further bolster their gateway status.

I expect YVR to move soon on their next round of expansion as they have traditionally been quite on the ball with their capacity, and I would be surprised if they let themselves get in the position SEA is in.

LeftCoaster · #**9400** Posted **Jul 5, 2016, 9:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Genauso

I think Bogota, Colombia will end up being a network connection for YVR.

Bogota is definitely a strong coentender. The economy is booming in Colombia right now and Avianca is *A.

I flew the YVR-BOG leg last year and it was a huge hassle. YVR-YYZ-BOG there and BOG-PTY-IAH-YVR on the way back. At least I contributed to the O&D stats?