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CFL players were complaining 30 years ago that Taylor Field was like playing on cement.
That was 70s and 80s artificial turf for you... a thin rug laid out over a thin pad laid out over pavement. It was in the 00s when Fieldturf-type installations became common that stadiums began using much more forgiving surfaces.
     
     
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Age of NHL arenas and CFL stadiums according to CalgaryNEXT website.

Note that they consider renovated facilities as brand new.




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The stadium graphic doesn't make sense to me.

Argos are in a new stadium now... and when did the Montreal and Edmonton get new stadiums?
     
     
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The stadium graphic doesn't make sense to me.

Argos are in a new stadium now... and when did the Montreal and Edmonton get new stadiums?
Graphic would have been done when the Argos were still at Rogers Centre.

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Note that they consider renovated facilities as brand new.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2016, 11:51 PM
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Age of NHL arenas and CFL stadiums according to CalgaryNEXT website.

Note that they consider renovated facilities as brand new.




http://calgarynext.com/
Yet misleadingly they don't consider the renovations done to the Saddledome in the mid 90s as being 'brand new' - they've put the original construction date on this chart.

Look, I can see the need for a new stadium / arena in Calgary, but this kind of misleading chart doesn't help their case much.
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Graphic would have been done when the Argos were still at Rogers Centre.

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In that case then Edmonton should still be playing at rexall and Sask should be playing at mosiac 1.0 yeah? . These tactics from the flames group are ridiculous. The city is obviously not interested. They figure throwing out a few videos and bullshit stats will change that? Find a suitable spot for your arena and build it. Then tackle McMahon quit with this annoying CalgaryNext pipedream.
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Yet misleadingly they don't consider the renovations done to the Saddledome in the mid 90s as being 'brand new' - they've put the original construction date on this chart.
And do the renovations in Edmonton make it THAT much of a difference, where you can reset the counter on how new it is?

Still don't get Montreal's addition. The stadium may be intimate, and they may have renovated it - but it's still pretty bare bones and definitely not something that other teams should be aspiring to have (other than size/intimacy)

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Look, I can see the need for a new stadium / arena in Calgary, but this kind of misleading chart doesn't help their case much.
Yea, it's obvious they're twisting facts and comparisons to suit their argument. If anything, their charts are demonstrating that renovations to McMahon are all that's needed - since they seem to think the renovations at the other stadiums make them provide a "first-class fan experience".
     
     
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Age of NHL arenas and CFL stadiums ... Note that they consider renovated facilities as brand new.
Under no circumstances should td place be considered "brand new"
     
     
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Commonwealth generally feels very new ^in most areas.
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Lol the islanders moved into barclays in 2015, thats not when it was built which was 3 yrs earlier.

That graphic is full of so many errors.
     
     
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Lol the islanders moved into barclays in 2015, thats not when it was built which was 3 yrs earlier.

That graphic is full of so many errors.
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Looks different from the picture I saw

     
     
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And elevated. Both features to improve the sightlines of endzone seats.
Yes, I like that elevated feature. It should make those seats a slightly easier sell even though they will be a fair distance from the action for close to 50% of the game. It would have been a nice feature for the Bombers to have at IGF.
     
     
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Yet misleadingly they don't consider the renovations done to the Saddledome in the mid 90s as being 'brand new' - they've put the original construction date on this chart.

Look, I can see the need for a new stadium / arena in Calgary, but this kind of misleading chart doesn't help their case much.
I like how Montreal's expansion in 2010 implies that it's a new stadium. Sure they did improve the experience in the 90s with the improvement to the stands, concessions and addition of the suites to go along with expansion in 2010, but that stadium is largely the same as it was decades ago with inferior concessions and seating to all the newer stadiums in the league. Heck, it's probably not any different then McMahon other than being more intimate and in a urban environment. We certainly aren't talking about a Madison Square Garden renovation.
     
     
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And do the renovations in Edmonton make it THAT much of a difference, where you can reset the counter on how new it is?

Still don't get Montreal's addition. The stadium may be intimate, and they may have renovated it - but it's still pretty bare bones and definitely not something that other teams should be aspiring to have (other than size/intimacy)



Yea, it's obvious they're twisting facts and comparisons to suit their argument. If anything, their charts are demonstrating that renovations to McMahon are all that's needed - since they seem to think the renovations at the other stadiums make them provide a "first-class fan experience".
Yupp, it's quite obvious that CSEC isn't doing their homework as good as they should be before releasing things to the world, quite embarrassing for them really, but it also can not be denied that both the Saddledome and McMahon are now quite inferior to most major arenas/stadiums in Canada or the United States.

So whether to build new or renovate will be the debate and part of that will how much of public monies will go into such ventures. No doubt there will be public monies spent, it just can't be helped as there will be some sort of infrastructure deficiencies that will need to be addressed. The question is where the sweet spot will be to satisfy both the public and CSEC - every city on that list has done things in a slightly different way and there probably have been critics and proponents of the final decisions up to and past the point when those renovated or new facilities came to be.

I can't say if Edmonton's solution or Regina's or Toronto's or anyone else's fits Calgary's situation and Calgary could very well have two separate situations to address in possibly unique ways. I would say that solutions have to be found in Calgary as those two aging facilities are most certainly hindering Calgary as a possibility for certain events now and in the future.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2016, 8:06 PM
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Yupp, it's quite obvious that CSEC isn't doing their homework as good as they should be before releasing things to the world, quite embarrassing for them really, but it also can not be denied that both the Saddledome and McMahon are now quite inferior to most major arenas/stadiums in Canada or the United States.
I'm fairly sure that CSEC knows that projects like Molson Stadium and Commonwealth Stadium fixups have hardly resulted in a substantially new stadium. Even MSG is not that wildly different than it was before... by all appearances, it's still very much a 1960s rink.

CSEC is simply counting on people not knowing that much about the subject... they're supposed to look at the chart and conclude that Calgary is scandalously behind the times.

Hell, by their own standards the Saddledome should be a 1996 building and McMahon a 1987 building given when the last major renos took place in each facility.
     
     
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There is more salt in Toronto than the Dead Sea ever since the McDavid lottery.

He's ours for the rest of his career.

Deal with it.
     
     
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I'm fairly sure that CSEC knows that projects like Molson Stadium and Commonwealth Stadium fixups have hardly resulted in a substantially new stadium. Even MSG is not that wildly different than it was before... by all appearances, it's still very much a 1960s rink.

CSEC is simply counting on people not knowing that much about the subject... they're supposed to look at the chart and conclude that Calgary is scandalously behind the times.

Hell, by their own standards the Saddledome should be a 1996 building and McMahon a 1987 building given when the last major renos took place in each facility.
MSG was a BILLION dollar reno

they completely ripped apart the building, created two levels when there was only one. its reno makes it one of the most expensive arenas in the world




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There is more salt in Toronto than the Dead Sea ever since the McDavid lottery.

He's ours for the rest of his career.

Deal with it.
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