Canadian City Proposals

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Keep it real. The alternative would more likely be a big-box "power centre".

Really? I guess these places are still stuck in the 90s if those are the only 2 things they know how to build.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Really? I guess these places are still stuck in the 90s if those are the only 2 things they know how to build.

There's nothing 90s about the plan. It quite current to today's planning. A true main street built from scratch would be a financial disaster. That's the reality as much as it doesn't suit your ideologue. Most people buy in bulk. A car is a huge benefit.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Really? I guess these places are still stuck in the 90s if those are the only 2 things they know how to build.

Pretty much, imho.

[Beedok]

Isn't it being built by Chinese investors? Seems they've grown tired of just building new cities in China.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

There's nothing 90s about the plan. It quite current to today's planning. A true main street built from scratch would be a financial disaster. That's the reality as much as it doesn't suit your ideologue. Most people buy in bulk. .

Back to your pathetic trolling ways I see. Most befitting for a moderator with a Judge Dread picture, LOL. Saying "A car is a huge benefit" is a very 90's way of looking at things.

Cornell is a perfect example of how to build an Suburban Community with a new successful main street that is pedestrian and bike friendly where cars are meant to be out of site out of mind like in older built up urban hoods. https://www.google.ca/search?espv=2&biw=...5i30.FsD2AlFD02M#imgrc=6owzmBAZSQOBDM%3A

This is part of their current plan. As you can see the entire development is built like an Inner City community. All the homes have a lane way for their cars, no big box stores to be found and a new Main Street that is only getting bigger. All of the larger structures are community centres, schools, senior homes and a Hospital (pre-existing). This is how all large scale suburban developments should be done.
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[dleung]

big box stores are unavoidable, but that's what the second floor of a medium/high density podium is for.



Or a subterranean version if your city has multi level streetscapes


Anti-pedestrian things like parked cars go underground...

[BIMBAM]

What we're really seeing here is the divide between BC and Ontario. This absolutely qualifies as something from another age for British Columbians, even new developments in secondary cities like Victoria and Abbottsford would not look like this. In Ontario, however, design has not changed as drastically since the 1990's.

[niwell]

Originally Posted by BIMBAM

What we're really seeing here is the divide between BC and Ontario. This absolutely qualifies as something from another age for British Columbians, even new developments in secondary cities like Victoria and Abbottsford would not look like this. In Ontario, however, design has not changed as drastically since the 1990's.

Looking at the edges of Abbotsford and Victoria I'm not really seeing anything currently being built that's any different from the regular suburban standard.

Not really sure why people are so up in arms about the Niagara Falls development. If it was a redevelopment of an existing urban area or something then sure, but this is brand new greenfield development on the urban fringe.

[dleung]

Originally Posted by niwell

Looking at the edges of Abbotsford and Victoria I'm not really seeing anything currently being built that's any different from the regular suburban standard.

Not really sure why people are so up in arms about the Niagara Falls development. If it was a redevelopment of an existing urban area or something then sure, but this is brand new greenfield development on the urban fringe.

That's even worse!

I would say that BC was well ahead of its time in a Canadian context about a decade ago, but has lost its way in recent years. Just look at the abominations being built in Tsawwassen, the Disney-like outlet mall by the airport, etc. That said, Richmond is probably still the most urban post-war suburb in North America by a long shot.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by BIMBAM

In Ontario, however, design has not changed as drastically since the 1990's.

[Tfreder]

Originally Posted by dleung

big box stores are unavoidable, but that's what the second floor of a medium/high density podium is for.

http://i.imgur.com/aTchdHg.jpg

Or a subterranean version if your city has multi level streetscapes
http://i.imgur.com/h0Wr0Ps.jpg

Anti-pedestrian things like parked cars go underground...

But you can't seriously compare big box retail developments in the downtown of a metro of over 2.5 million people to a big box retail development in the fringes of a metro of less than 400 000 people.

[dleung]

It's not a comparison; I'm just talking best practices. Land use regulation tend to focus on the inner city while it's a free-for-all in the suburbs, just like with Vancouver - and that needs to change, regardless of the population. To accept that one, in 2016, can live in either 2016 or 1986 depending on the size of the city is unacceptable.

[GlassCity]

Yeah, it doesn't matter where it is, there is no excuse for winding roads and cul-de-sacs in 2016. Even if it's greenfield, which I guess the positive is implied that it doesn't need to be redeveloped for a while, but the redevelopment becomes much more difficult with such street systems.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Back to your pathetic trolling ways I see. Most befitting for a moderator with a Judge Dread picture, LOL. Saying "A car is a huge benefit" is a very 90's way of looking at things.

Cornell is a perfect example of how to build an Suburban Community with a new successful main street that is pedestrian and bike friendly where cars are meant to be out of site out of mind like in older built up urban hoods.

You need help. I'm not trolling because I happen to disagree that the realities are most families are working families and do most of their shopping for the week on the weekends. Do you not see most chain retail development comes with loads of parking? Cornell is new urbanism master plan. It is far from the standard. It has a cutesy little mixed use main street reminiscent of the touristy, heritage main streets scattered around the 905. It doesn't offer a huge selection of the essentials. Luckily, There is plenty of big box development surrounding Cornell though.

Even the retail across downtown Markham is largely segregated in plazas with plenty of parking dispersed around the dozens of condo towers.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by BIMBAM

What we're really seeing here is the divide between BC and Ontario. This absolutely qualifies as something from another age for British Columbians, even new developments in secondary cities like Victoria and Abbottsford would not look like this. In Ontario, however, design has not changed as drastically since the 1990's.

The property values and scale of developments in Burnaby, for example, allow for parking to be located underground in Vancouver however, the concept is not much different from that proposed in Niagara Falls.

[yaletown_fella]

Underground parking makes no sense for a single story lifestyle center development. Some of the comments on this page are perplexing to say the least.

Toronto premium outlets also has surface parking and it's an example of the prevalent style of retail development in North America. It's all about minimizing maintenance costs and passing on savings to tenants.

[GreaterMontréal]

Saint Joseph's Oratory gets $80M for renovations

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/saint-josephs-oratory-renovation-375-montreal-1.3618295

a new observatory tower will be built, 360o view

more than 2M visitors each year,

https://www.saint-joseph.org/en/shrine/great-development-project

[kwoldtimer]

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[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Saint Joseph's Oratory gets $80M for renovations

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/saint-josephs-oratory-renovation-375-montreal-1.3618295

a new observatory tower will be built, 360o view

more than 2M visitors each year,

https://www.saint-joseph.org/en/shrine/great-development-project

For the "observation tower", I'm thinking you'd take an elevator up the space between the inner and upper domes, up into the lantern atop the dome?

The addition of 5 more bells to the 56 bell carillon makes me wonder what musical shortcoming they perceived the existing carillon to have?

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

For the "observation tower", I'm thinking you'd take an elevator up the space between the inner and upper domes, up into the lantern atop the dome?

The addition of 5 more bells to the 56 bell carillon makes me wonder what musical shortcoming they perceived the existing carillon to have?

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