Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

It seems that many on here aren't understanding what the City Council truly did. They are looking out for the best interest of the city and the ascetics of how the city will look.

They aren't against height on the Salt Palace block, they are simply saying, we're not willing to simply give the go ahead to a building of any height without some sort of control over how that building will look. No step back requirements, no design guidelines. The City currently has the 375' limit in the D-1 zone with conditional use above that, that has step back requirements and other design guidelines in order for approval over that 375' height.

So why are several forumers bitching about the denial of unlimited height, when it's not even allowed in the D-1. Allowing unlimited height with no design control could result in some really ugly tall buildings.

We all agree that we don't want a Phoenix, and yes the current height of the Phoenix is below the 375' D-1 limit. Now just imagine, if the City Council were to allow unlimited height we could get a 400'+ Phoenix and the city would have ZERO control over it.

They should simply rezone the eastern Salt Palace block to D-1, then the existing height and design controls are already in place. I've wondered the entire time why the aren't just doing that.


So some of you think that "The LDS Church is behind it", controlling a city in which the City Council has one active LDS member, and a Lesbian as Mayor, is a more viable reason than the City Council wanting some sort of control over the design, just as they do in the rest of the city, ?

Pretty sure it's unlimited height but not unregulated. Or have I misinterpreted the proposal?

Please refer to the bottom of page 739 and continue through the top of page 740

http://slcgov.iqm2.com/citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1161&Inline=True

Meeting of May 24, 2016
Updated: 5/19/2016 3:31 PM

The proposed ordinance would add the following language to the secondary central business district (D-4) height regulations:
Additional height may be allowed as specified below:


a.Additional Permitted Height Locations: Additional height greater than one hundred twenty feet (120’) is permitted in the area bounded by the centerlines of South Temple, West Temple, 200 South, and 200 West streets.
(1)
ConditionalHeight:buildings may exceed the one hundred and twenty foot (120’) height limit provided they conform to the standards and procedures outlined in the Conditional Building and Site Design Review process of Chapter 21A.59 of this title and the following requirements:
i.
To minimize excessive building mass at higher elevations and preserve scenic views, some or all of the building mass shall be subject to additional setback, as determined appropriate through the conditional building and site design review process.
ii.
The first fifty feet (50’) of height shall not be set back from the street front more than five feet (5’) except that setbacks greater than five feet (5’) maybe approved through the conditional building and site design review process.
iii.
Ground Floor Uses: On the ground floor, a permitted or conditional use other
than parking shall occupy at least seventy five percent (75%) of the width of any street facing building façade. All portions of such ground floor spaces shall extend a minimum of twenty five feet (25’) into the building. Parking may be located behind these spaces

[Future Mayor]

That does sound correct to me. The reports from the meeting that simply mentioned unlimited height were misleading then, IMO. I should have read the ordinance, and I am now wondering why they weren't willing to approve it if anything above the 120' is conditional. It's obvious by 400 S that there isn't much concern about design on buildings shorter than that.

I reached out to a friend as well as a former neighbor, both on City Council, to get their opinion on why it didn't happen, but I have yet to hear back. If I hear anything I will be sure to share it, if allowed to.

[Utah_Dave]

Future Mayor, your plan is simple and logical. They should have just expanded the current zoning in D,1 and applied it to the convention center area. That makes sense. In hindsight they probably wish the Unlimited height wording was not the headline of the proposal. Maybe the wording was not there fault too. I don't know. What really bugs me is at the city council meeting. That was what was thrown around and no one corrected them if it was wrong and a small, loud, and influential part of the population was there and hammered the point that they don't want a tall building and they used silly examples and reasons why. Now I'm concerned the city council will be gun shy about approving a reasonable height of 550 ft for a hotel. I say reasonable because there are similar size hotels with that number of rooms going in across the country. I hope I am over reacting and getting worked up over nothing and cooler heads are at work and prevail. So far, the opposition scored first. I will take a few deep breaths now

[Future Mayor]

One clarification on this matter. The meeting on Wednesday was simply a Public Forum to get input from the public, there was minimal discussion among Council members and there wasn't a vote.

So Council has not voted down the "unlimited height" or in actuality, they haven't voted down the proposed height changes for the Salt Palace block. It is still a pending matter that will go to discussion and a vote before City Council at a later date.

[asies1981]

The planning commission approved zoning exceptions for the Central Ninth Lofts. Also, it looks like council wants to see renderings before approving the height increase. Either way though the project will still need approval from the planning commission before being built which means there will be height regulation to a degree.

[ajiuO]

They took down the construction elevators on 111!

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by asies1981

The planning commission approved zoning exceptions for the Central Ninth Lofts. Also, it looks like council wants to see renderings before approving the height increase. Either way though the project will still need approval from the planning commission before being built which means there will be height regulation to a degree.

I really like this project. Nice addition to Central 9th. This is the scale that is appropriate for that particular intersection of Central 9th, FM.

[stayinginformed]

We had our community council meeting tonight, and I found out about a new development near the North Temple Corridor at 909 W 200 N. 12 mirco units of about 400 square feet each, 3 parking spaces, and communal gathering spaces. It has already passed through form based TSA zoning and the developer plans to break ground sometime this summer. She plans the units to go for $1,100 a month--pretty pricey if you ask me. I like the design though, I feel like we need a lot more little developments like this.

Here is an image of the design:

[Comrade]

Interesting.

[asies1981]

Originally Posted by stayinginformed

We had our community council meeting tonight, and I found out about a new development near the North Temple Corridor at 909 W 200 N. 12 mirco units of about 400 square feet each, 3 parking spaces, and communal gathering spaces. It has already passed through form based TSA zoning and the developer plans to break ground sometime this summer. She plans the units to go for $1,100 a month--pretty pricey if you ask me. I like the design though, I feel like we need a lot more little developments like this.

Here is an image of the design:

I have talked with the architect and will have a post on this project soon. From what I've gathered these will be European style micro units that take advantage of every square foot.

[ThePusherMan]

Originally Posted by stayinginformed

We had our community council meeting tonight, and I found out about a new development near the North Temple Corridor at 909 W 200 N. 12 mirco units of about 400 square feet each, 3 parking spaces, and communal gathering spaces. It has already passed through form based TSA zoning and the developer plans to break ground sometime this summer. She plans the units to go for $1,100 a month--pretty pricey if you ask me. I like the design though, I feel like we need a lot more little developments like this.

1,100 a month for 400 sqft on that side of the freeway is a pipe dream. I was paying that for that square footage on 3rd and 4th and just recently moved because I thought it was raw deal. SLC is just not there yet. Thank god!

[delts145]

Agree. Also, the pricing can't be accurate. I can find better pricing for that sq. footage here in L.A., and that's in trendy neighborhoods.

I like the design. Wish a few of these were being proposed and going up on 400 S.

[stayinginformed]

Originally Posted by ThePusherMan

1,100 a month for 400 sqft on that side of the freeway is a pipe dream. I was paying that for that square footage on 3rd and 4th and just recently moved because I thought it was raw deal. SLC is just not there yet. Thank god!

I agree, $1,100 seems pretty high to me as well. I mentioned that to her, and she said the apartments would be completely furnished, so there is that. I think they are going for the Delta pilot crowd for a crash pad--fly in, get on TRAX to Jackson-Euclid Station, and walk a block to their apartment.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by stayinginformed

We had our community council meeting tonight, and I found out about a new development near the North Temple Corridor at 909 W 200 N. 12 mirco units of about 400 square feet each, 3 parking spaces, and communal gathering spaces. It has already passed through form based TSA zoning and the developer plans to break ground sometime this summer. She plans the units to go for $1,100 a month--pretty pricey if you ask me. I like the design though, I feel like we need a lot more little developments like this.

Here is an image of the design:

If she can actually get $1100 a month for 400 square feet we will see a lot more like that.

I hope she does. I really like it.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by stayinginformed

We had our community council meeting tonight, and I found out about a new development near the North Temple Corridor at 909 W 200 N. 12 mirco units of about 400 square feet each, 3 parking spaces, and communal gathering spaces. It has already passed through form based TSA zoning and the developer plans to break ground sometime this summer. She plans the units to go for $1,100 a month--pretty pricey if you ask me. I like the design though, I feel like we need a lot more little developments like this.

Here is an image of the design:

I want to see 5 or 10 of those along 300 W coming into Salt Lake City.

[linguisize]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

I want to see 5 or 10 of those along 300 W coming into Salt Lake City.

Seriously, I hope we start seeing more developments of this size. All of these steril stucco complexes have way too big of a footprint.

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by stayinginformed

We had our community council meeting tonight, and I found out about a new development near the North Temple Corridor at 909 W 200 N. 12 mirco units of about 400 square feet each, 3 parking spaces, and communal gathering spaces. It has already passed through form based TSA zoning and the developer plans to break ground sometime this summer. She plans the units to go for $1,100 a month--pretty pricey if you ask me. I like the design though, I feel like we need a lot more little developments like this.

Here is an image of the design:

Dwell-licious.

[Viperlord]

Aspen Heights Partners is entering the market

http://www.aspenheightspartners.com/salt-lake-city/


and.....

https://aca.slcgov.com/Citizen/Cap/CapDe...54&agencyCode=SLCREF&IsToShowInspection=

Record BLD2016-04942:
Commercial Building Permit

206 S WEST TEMPLE
Salt Lake City

Project Description:
Holiday Inn Express Parking Structure Renovation
Renovation of existing parking structure including structural repairs, new roof and new decorative cladding.

[HandsomeJohn]

The D-4 Height Changes were never meant to be "unlimited" without a design and review, the city planning commission proposed that the D-1 height rules (375' limit with anything over 375' being subject to design and review) be applied to the two east blocks that the Salt Palace sits on. The reason they can't just change the blocks in question to D-1 is because the D-1 rules prohibit convention centers, the city didn't want to change that rule. The Mayors office was responsible for starting the process to amend the D-4 height. I think that some reporters may have been trying to sensationalize a bit and decided to make some statements about rejecting unlimited height made a better headline.

Hopefully this clarifies any lingering questions, I know these things because I had gone to all the previous meetings, Sadly I was unable to make this last one.

[Stenar]

The city should add into the zoning a minimum apartment size, as some cities do. Micro-apartments are a bad idea.