Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

I'm really curious to see the details. If the NBA is pushing for this, I wonder if there motive is to be a pain in the — and pressure a sale or move of the franchise to somewhere more lucrative for them. An arena built in 1991 really is not that old for a building. The buildings fine. $100 million in upgrades? Let's see if the upgrades they are thinking of would logically bring about a return on investment. This kinda makes me nervous.

$100 million investment is chump change for the Jazz right now. The franchise worth is at $1 Billion since the LA Clippers were sold for $2B. Forbes has Gail Miller at $1.8 Billion and the Jazz are that Billion.

There is pressure from the NBA to get the Jazz to create more money. This is all the NBA is about and they do not care if you are in Salt Lake City or Mexico City to make that money. Since the Drama of Sacramento not leaving for Seattle and the LA Clippers will not leave LA for Seattle, there is a real possibility that if the Millers ever sale the Jazz that the NBA will find an ownership group willing to move it up to Seattle. This is no joke, and the Jazz know it and will do what they can to keep it here. The NBA doesn't give 2 Flying Fillies about small markets and it looks like Adam Silver is keeping auto pilot on since David Stern (a self proclaimed god) left.

Buuuuuuut, If Utah starts getting infused with billion dollar companies from the Tech world and more big banks move head quarters and regional offices here, the NBA might start liking Salt Lake a little more.

The more I think about it, I'm betting on another level of suits getting added at the least. Suites alone could generate $5 Million more in revenue and I'm probably underselling that.

I do like my idea though, build over the pit in the back and have another hotel there that connects with the Arena and engages the corner more. While that's going on the city shrink 100S to 2 lanes and a turn lane and add walk able areas along that street. It would help connect the Gateway more to the city.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

$100 million investment is chump change for the Jazz right now. The franchise worth is at $1 Billion since the LA Clippers were sold for $2B. Forbes has Gail Miller at $1.8 Billion and the Jazz are that Billion.

There is pressure from the NBA to get the Jazz to create more money. This is all the NBA is about and they do not care if you are in Salt Lake City or Mexico City to make that money. Since the Drama of Sacramento not leaving for Seattle and the LA Clippers will not leave LA for Seattle, there is a real possibility that if the Millers ever sale the Jazz that the NBA will find an ownership group willing to move it up to Seattle. This is no joke, and the Jazz know it and will do what they can to keep it here. The NBA doesn't give 2 Flying Fillies about small markets and it looks like Adam Silver is keeping auto pilot on since David Stern (a self proclaimed god) left.

Buuuuuuut, If Utah starts getting infused with billion dollar companies from the Tech world and more big banks move head quarters and regional offices here, the NBA might start liking Salt Lake a little more.

The more I think about it, I'm betting on another level of suits getting added at the least. Suites alone could generate $5 Million more in revenue and I'm probably underselling that.

I do like my idea though, build over the pit in the back and have another hotel there that connects with the Arena and engages the corner more. While that's going on the city shrink 100S to 2 lanes and a turn lane and add walk able areas along that street. It would help connect the Gateway more to the city.

The other NBA owners don't want the Millers to spend a hundred million on their arena. They would prefer that they went to the state and begged for a couple hundred million for a new one. The thing is the Millers would probably get it if they asked. That probably gets under the skin of some of the other owners.

Seattle is to the NBA what LA was to the NFL. I kinda think that if moving a team to Seattle heats up Kroenke will Kroenke and move his team(nuggets) mowing down anyone that tries to get in his way.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

The other NBA owners don't want the Millers to spend a hundred million on their arena. They would prefer that they went to the state and begged for a couple hundred million for a new one. The thing is the Millers would probably get it if they asked. That probably gets under the skin of some of the other owners.

Seattle is to the NBA what LA was to the NFL. I kinda think that if moving a team to Seattle heats up Kroenke will Kroenke and move his team(nuggets) mowing down anyone that tries to get in his way.

I like that, If Kroenke did send the Nuggets to Seattle he would send the Avalanche too and then could send the Rapids to Vegas and rename them the Reservoirs.

[Wasatch Wasteland]

Any updates on the CCH? Will they show renderings at the public meeting on the 24th?

[Utah_Dave]

Originally Posted by Wasatch Wasteland

Any updates on the CCH? Will they show renderings at the public meeting on the 24th?

I hope they have a Hotelier announced by the 24th. They need to get this thing rolling and making progress. I hope they also have a site picked out. Any more news then that is just gravy to me.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

$100 million investment is chump change for the Jazz right now. The franchise worth is at $1 Billion since the LA Clippers were sold for $2B. Forbes has Gail Miller at $1.8 Billion and the Jazz are that Billion.

There is pressure from the NBA to get the Jazz to create more money. This is all the NBA is about and they do not care if you are in Salt Lake City or Mexico City to make that money. Since the Drama of Sacramento not leaving for Seattle and the LA Clippers will not leave LA for Seattle, there is a real possibility that if the Millers ever sale the Jazz that the NBA will find an ownership group willing to move it up to Seattle. This is no joke, and the Jazz know it and will do what they can to keep it here. The NBA doesn't give 2 Flying Fillies about small markets and it looks like Adam Silver is keeping auto pilot on since David Stern (a self proclaimed god) left.

Buuuuuuut, If Utah starts getting infused with billion dollar companies from the Tech world and more big banks move head quarters and regional offices here, the NBA might start liking Salt Lake a little more.

The more I think about it, I'm betting on another level of suits getting added at the least. Suites alone could generate $5 Million more in revenue and I'm probably underselling that.

I do like my idea though, build over the pit in the back and have another hotel there that connects with the Arena and engages the corner more. While that's going on the city shrink 100S to 2 lanes and a turn lane and add walk able areas along that street. It would help connect the Gateway more to the city.

Very much agree! I remember the last go around, when they upgraded the interior quite a bit. We discussed the Arena's future at length on this forum. One consensus was the hope that in the future the Arena would redevelop it's street engagement, particularly around the south end. IMO, this would be a perfect opportunity to really give 100 S. the continued attention we've been looking for. Also, it would go a long way in helping with the ongoing revitalization of Gateway, and the whole western sector of the CBD.

[delts145]

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Pic By EPDesign

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[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

$100 million investment is chump change for the Jazz right now. The franchise worth is at $1 Billion

An investment that is 10% of your franchise's entire net worth is hardly chump change. It might not be as significant as an entirely new arena, but it's still pretty significant.

[Viperlord]

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah - John Williams, who owns the company that operates restaurants including Market Street Grill, was killed in a fire in Salt Lake City Sunday that police are describing as suspicious.

Partner booked for homicide, arson in death of Utah restaurant owner John Williams.

http://fox13now.com/2016/05/22/one-man-killed-by-multi-story-house-fire-in-salt-lake-city/


Police suspect arson in house fire that killed S.L. restaurateur


Williams was president of Gastronomy, which operates Market Street Grill, Market Street Oyster Bar and the New Yorker restaurant.

Sen. Jim Dabakis, D-Salt Lake City, described Williams as a restoration developer, restaurateur and LGBT pioneer, and called his death devastating.

"The buildings he brought back to life when restoration was unpopular now dot our city. The restaurants he and his partners opened raised the standards of dining for Utah, and the quiet bridges John built between the emerging LGBT community and the Utah business world made this a better place for all of us to live," he said.

Williams restored The New York Hotel, 60 W. Market St., as a restaurant and offices, and with the late Tom Steig opened the New Yorker in 1978. Williams and Tom Guinney opened Market Street Grill in 1980 and Market Street Oyster Bar in 1981. Williams and Guinney co-own Gastronomy.

"Our city and state is a worse place for his loss," Dabakis said. "My husband Stephen and I, like so many, are filled with grief today."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=39874153

[Viperlord]

Salt Lake County District Attorney building site plan:

more information at the link below:

ftp://ftrftp.slcgov.com/attachments/3-15-16FORMAL%20-%20%20Temporary%20Land%20Use%20Reg.pdf

[delts145]

Rendering of the downtown DA Office Building as designed by MHTN Architects. Image courtesy Salt Lake County.


I'm still liking the DA office building, perhaps even more now. Looking at it's placement from the site plan Viperlord posted, it will make for a nice front on 500S. There's no stucco, but mostly stained glass, transparent glass,
and stone/precast stone. I for one like the multi-colored glass, particularly because it is a needed mix for that area. For me at least, I don't care if it seems retro. IMO, that's a good thing for
plot. L.A. has a lot of 50's/60's styles that are similar. Actually, if the new DA's office was a building from that era, it would in my opinion be one of the more attractive ones around, and
everyone would be screaming to restore it. Not just an attractive example in the Salt Lake CBD, but in L.A. In fact, have you guys noticed that the new Northwest Pipeline development has
buildings with the same application of the multi-colored motif? Maybe it's just another subjective opinion, but I think it's pretty damn groovy.

I also like the fact that the plots adj. to the DA's offices, awaiting future development will be nicely landscaped. Hopefully, those future landscaped lots will turn into towers. Though I have to admit, I look forward
to the day that a tower goes up on the Harmon's corner, I think the way they landscaped the corner as a placeholder is very attractive. I would like to see the city/state force the land bankers
to attractively landscape their often blighted land banked lots. This at the very least, until they're properly developed, or given a much more positive use.

I bristle every time I think of the demise of the Newhouse Hotel, and what could of been for that block, and impatiently await it's redevelopment. But I have to admit that the beautiful trees
and camouflaging berms are a big improvement over straight blacktop. At the very least, the same should be done for the sea of black top on the S. Temple lots.

Northwest Pipeline Project






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[Comrade]

It's like they tried capturing the feel of the sterile government complexes of the 60s and 70s for the 21st Century. The great thing about the DA's office is it'll look dated the second it's complete, so, people won't even know what year it was truly finished.

Though, I am intrigued by the expansion...but with how slow government projects move here, we probably won't see it for another 20 years.

[linguisize]

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[jedikermit]

I don't think I understand the DA building renderings...is the taller tower on the corner something that's actually proposed, or is it just an example of what could be done someday?

[delts145]

I wondering the same thing now??

[Viperlord]

I would guess that since they are going to be landscaping the area where the "future tower" will go, that the tower in the DA building rendering is just shown to show what could be built in the future. Basically just a place holder. no specific plans for the tower, just there to give a visual idea.

[ajiuO]

Looks like something from the 1960's in a really bad way.

[EPdesign]

I love mid century design and what followed after...even the international style that appeard before then. My objection to this is there appears to be a wall facade towards the main street plaza/landscape. No temporary glass Or even a mural? How long would it be before a tower was built?

[delts145]

Good question EP. I wonder if there are windows facing toward Main, and if so, how many? The landscaping will help buffer whatever, but I due hope that a cool tower will be built there sooner than later. I'm impatient for that part of the CBD/Main St. to start showing some vitality.

[nushiof]

Just got this email regarding the CCH public hearing. I won't be able to attend, but I would encourage all of you to go and be heard (as long you as advocate for a new tallest and iconic CCH). If you prefer a bland stucco wall of 20 stories, please stay home. You can also submit comments via email below (I will do that). I imaging some 99 West residents may appear and argue for a shorter CCH, so we need to show up en masse.

"Tomorrow evening the SLC council will open a public hearing on the proposed changes to the D-4 Zoning District. The proposed changes will allow buildings taller than 120 feet in a portion of the D-4 Zoning District. The specific area is bounded by South Temple, West Temple, 200 South, and 200 West, the location of most of the Salt Palace Convention Center. The change will enable the developer of a convention center hotel in this area. A final location or design for the hotel has not been determined. That process is being led by SL County...."

"If you would like to participate in the public hearing, please complete a comment card and return it to a City Council staff member. When your name is called, you will have two minutes to share your comments on the zoning change... if you are unable to attend, you may submit written comments to [email protected]"