Calgary International Airport II

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by evolv

Really???? Exactly what I'd expect. Harder for Canadians to justify going to the states. Makes it more expensive. I

Right - my mind wasn't working well. Certainly would be down in terms of numbers going south. Wonder if there anyway to parse it out for Americans coming up (what I was thinking) versus Canadians going south.

[Johnny Aussie]

Hainan's flights on the YYC-PEK route are now loaded post 29 October.

A couple of weeks ago there weren't any flights showing post 29 October.

However, HU appears to be going three weekly over the winter.

Flights operating on days 2,4 and 6.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by evolv

Really???? Exactly what I'd expect. Harder for Canadians to justify going to the states. Makes it more expensive. I

In our largest transborder markets (IAH, LAS, and to a certain extent DEN) traffic is down slightly but not as much as one would think. IAH for UA is down significantly, but WS flight has taken up some of the pax and from an airport perspective there is no difference whether the pax fly UA or WS.

Increasing our transborder, and domestic numbers are connection pax where there used to be nonstop flights out of YMM, YXE, YQR, YEG, etc.

But connection effect also has a downward effect on YYC origin traffic destined for USA. A portion of this traffic is now travelling over YYZ and YVR where previously it flew nonstop to the USA. For Aiport reporting purposes this traffic is now recorded as domestic where as they were previously recorded as transborder, the change in designation due to flight pattern change.

I have spoken with a few AC elites who are now using AC domestic connections (YYC-YVR-"USA") rather than UA or AC nonstop transborder. This is partly due to the transborder buildup at YVR and the removal of Rouge on Western Canada transborder, and partly due to the reduction of transborder flights out of YYC.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Cage

In our largest transborder markets (IAH, LAS, and to a certain extent DEN) traffic is down slightly but not as much as one would think. IAH for UA is down significantly, but WS flight has taken up some of the pax and from an airport perspective there is no difference whether the pax fly UA or WS.

Increasing our transborder, and domestic numbers are connection pax where there used to be nonstop flights out of YMM, YXE, YQR, YEG, etc.

But connection effect also has a downward effect on YYC origin traffic destined for USA. A portion of this traffic is now travelling over YYZ and YVR where previously it flew nonstop to the USA. For Aiport reporting purposes this traffic is now recorded as domestic where as they were previously recorded as transborder, the change in designation due to flight pattern change.

I have spoken with a few AC elites who are now using AC domestic connections (YYC-YVR-"USA") rather than UA or AC nonstop transborder. This is partly due to the transborder buildup at YVR and the removal of Rouge on Western Canada transborder, and partly due to the reduction of transborder flights out of YYC.

Given both YXE and YQR lost their United flights to Denver and Chicago one of the locally alternative routes is to connect in YYC. That may offset some of the local loss.

[Bigtime]

Lots of 787 action this year, all three of our overseas flights with AC are now on them and AC just announced a domestic run from YYZ operating with the 788:

Toronto – Calgary 18JUN16 – 17SEP16 Boeing 787-8 will be operating this route on daily basis, once a day

AC1151 YYZ0915 – 1120YYC 788 D
AC1150 YYC1245 – 1820YYZ 788 D

http://airlineroute.net/2016/05/03/ac-yycyeg-s16/

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Toronto – Calgary 18JUN16 – 17SEP16 Boeing 787-8 will be operating this route on daily basis, once a day

AC1151 YYZ0915 – 1120YYC 788 D
AC1150 YYC1245 – 1820YYZ 788 D

Little known fact, you can book a "Premium Economy" seat on the domestic 787 runs (YVR/YYC-YYZ) for an additional $50-$60. Its the first four rows of "preferred seats". Doesn't include any meals or hot towels, but you are in a kick ass seat and private cabin for pennies compared to paying J fare.

[Bigtime]

Well today's the day, WestJet Flight 1 inaugural service to London Gatwick:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA1

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Well today's the day, WestJet Flight 1 inaugural service to London Gatwick:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA1

Wish it was cheaper. I'm seeing the lowest fares being $900+, and going to cheaper fees Gatwick. You can get to Istanbul for that price.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Wish it was cheaper. I'm seeing the lowest fares being $900+, and going to cheaper fees Gatwick. You can get to Istanbul for that price.

Ya must have missed the sale when it was $400 or so.

[People.talking]

What day does Condor start its seasonal service?

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by People.talking

What day does Condor start its seasonal service?

June 28th. 3X weekly (T,W,F) until Aug 30th then down to 2X (W,F) until service ends Sep 14th.

[Bigtime]

Air Canada has some of their Winter 2016 schedules out and it looks like the 787-9 stays on FRA and the 787-8 goes for LHR. Will be interesting to see if NRT stays on the 787-8.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Acey

Ya must have missed the sale when it was $400 or so.

I think most people skipped their ultra brief sale that was announced immediately before it started and that was several months before the launch. VERY few could have taken them up on that.

Did you purchase a ticket?

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by suburbia

I think most people skipped their ultra brief sale that was announced immediately before it started and that was several months before the launch. VERY few could have taken them up on that.

Did you purchase a ticket?

It was live for quite a while, and those fares came back from time to time. In fact as recent as April 25, you could get it for $530

[yyc_engineer]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

It was live for quite a while, and those fares came back from time to time. In fact as recent as April 25, you could get it for $530

My buddy just got back from Ontario. He said when he was looking at flights its was cheaper to fly WestJet to London UK than is was to London ON.

When I went to Cancun it was cheaper to book YYC-YYZ-CUN than it was YYZ-CUN. (On the exact same flight)

What a backwards air fare structure we have in in this country.

Originally Posted by suburbia

Did you purchase a ticket?

Nope.

Originally Posted by Canadian74

It was live for quite a while, and those fares came back from time to time. In fact as recent as April 25, you could get it for $530

Yup.

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

When I went to Cancun it was cheaper to book YYC-YYZ-CUN than it was YYZ-CUN. (On the exact same flight)

Canadian air fares are bonkers, but that particular oddity is not unique to Canada and can be found with American carriers on routes originating from US cities, or elsewhere.

[casper]

Originally Posted by yyc_engineer

My buddy just got back from Ontario. He said when he was looking at flights its was cheaper to fly WestJet to London UK than is was to London ON.

When I went to Cancun it was cheaper to book YYC-YYZ-CUN than it was YYZ-CUN. (On the exact same flight)

What a backwards air fare structure we have in in this country.

I think you will find this is the same in most parts of the world. The price you pay is based on market demand and competition not the cost of providing the service.

In most parts of the world it is common to pay more for direct flights than connecting flights.

Makes sense in a way. The airlines expects a certain number of passengers paying a reasonable price for "YYZ-CUN". Right-sizes the aircraft based on available aircraft, crew and trying to run the same type of plane everyday and every week. However demand is not constant. It sells off any empty seats to connecting passengers from wherever (YYC) to make something on an otherwise empty seat.

General theme. If you fly from Canada to Europe or Asia many times the cheapest flight is connecting in the US. If you fly from the US to Europe or Asia generally the cheapest flight is connecting in Canada or other parts like Iceland.

3x WS 763 at LGW

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Acey

3x WS 763 at LGW

That's the money shot WS 763 photo I was waiting for, 3 WS 763s @ LGW in a row. Thanks for posting. I feared that LGW airport would assign 3 gates at random and there would never be a good shot of them together. FWIW, LHR T3 ops was notorious for randomly assigning gates for specific flights. LHR new T2 has the same program except for the SQ A380 (which is restricted to 3-4 gates).

[Bigtime]

Nice look at the terminals this morning from the QR77 traffic helicopter: