ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[bigstick]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

There is a sign now up for Supercuts at the University House building.

Also attended a shindig for the NCR building and I am not sure there will be any street retail. It will officially be 20 floors (7 floors of parking with 13 floors of office on top, but the ground floor is going to be mostly for heavy equipment lab space since it will be too heavy for any higher up floors. There will be a coffee shop on the 2nd floor of the spring street area, but dunno if it would be open to the public.

Glad to see all infill go up, but 20 stories is really disappointing for a major Fortune 500 company.

[Martinman]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

I'm not complaining, I just know it had not been clear if there would be any street retail, and so I was just clearing that up. Also clearing up that it is shorter than many believed.

I'd also add that it was confirmed parking would be free and that there would not be enough parking for everybody within the parking deck as part of the building but to resolve that they will be leasing spots in the Centergy deck as well for employees.

Well I am complaining.
A) the Spring Street frontage is far removed from the actual office building and there's plenty of room for all kinds of lobby space. B) Spring street is one of Midtown's major streets and in an area with a lot of potential for a vibrant street life. I've often argued that retail does not need to be on every development but retail should be on Spring Street in this location.

[TarHeelJ]

There is enough retail in that general area to allow one building without, especially a brand new one for a Fortune 500 company with a good-looking/active use lobby that is visible from the street. I'm okay with it...there are lots of buildings in all cities that don't have ground floor retail and they are still livable cities.

It's funny to go back 20 years and imagine anyone arguing for retail on Spring Street...that area was parking lots, strip clubs, and dark/empty buildings back then, so it would have been a miracle to see anything going up there.

[Street Advocate]

I'm holding out that the green space will be developed in the not so distant future. Hoping its larger than 20 stories and has street level retail. Businesses will be booming near this area.

[joecool]

They can always add retail later, right? So there's still hope. Maybe they will once all the other empty lots fill up.

[Street Advocate]

Pretty sure Modera will have a handful of retail tenants. Might be one of the best developments for the area. Toss in Alta Midtown and all of a sudden people's options in this part of town will have grown substantially.

[shivtim]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

I'm holding out that the green space will be developed in the not so distant future. Hoping its larger than 20 stories and has street level retail. Businesses will be booming near this area.

I'm actually hoping they preserve that green space as a park. With all of the recent construction, this part of Midtown has lost almost all of its informal green space. Now there's the 5th street bridge, and that's about it.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by Martinman

Well I am complaining.
A) the Spring Street frontage is far removed from the actual office building and there's plenty of room for all kinds of lobby space. B) Spring street is one of Midtown's major streets and in an area with a lot of potential for a vibrant street life. I've often argued that retail does not need to be on every development but retail should be on Spring Street in this location.

The bulk of the Spring frontage will be lecture space and lobby space. They suggested things like TED talks or lectures to students, etc.

There will still be some retail within the building for employees to access though.

edit: ThyssenKrupp is expanding in Tech Square and will be occupying 15,000 sq. ft. in Coda Tech Square http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...re-expansion-gets-a-lift-with-first.html

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

http://buckheadview.com/2016/04/27/npu-b...-kills-high-rise-e-shadowlawn-peachtree/

This has died due to reject zoning changes.

[BunkyWay]

People who believe or insist (through the writing of zoning codes) that retail should be incorporated into every design are, for lack of a better word, ignorant, as they have no understanding of the current market trends that are pushing the retail industry away from brick and mortar stores.

A coffee shop or restaurant is not the same thing as a retail store, so perhaps some are just using incorrect terminology.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by BunkyWay

A coffee shop or restaurant is not the same thing as a retail store, so perhaps some are just using incorrect terminology.

It's pretty clear to most that when someone says ground level retail in a large project like this they're not calling for just specialty denim shops or artisan olive oil stores. Projects list retail spaces all the time, like University House, that are then leased by restaurants, cafes, etc.

Guess everyone is using "incorrect terminology" then.

[Libertarian]

Most of America is over-retailed to include restaurants and coffee shops.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by shivtim

I'm actually hoping they preserve that green space as a park. With all of the recent construction, this part of Midtown has lost almost all of its informal green space. Now there's the 5th street bridge, and that's about it.

I'd like to mention I do wish Atlanta had more pocket parks. One of my favorite features about Chicago is that no matter where you are, it seems there's a small park to take the dog or has bars to do pullups at. I think Atlanta would benefit from those, as we continue to grow more dense. It's hard for me to pick a specific location though, as we have so many tree lined streets it *feels* like there's a park nearby. Georgia Tech across the highway is essentially a giant green space as well, although I don't know whether the land is considered open to the public.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Most of America is over-retailed to include restaurants and coffee shops.

Meh. There's never too many restaurants and cafes. Only too many of one kind.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Meh. There's never too many restaurants and cafes. Only too many of one kind.

"Too many of one kind"....you mean too many vacant?

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

"Too many of one kind"....you mean too many vacant?

Have to plan for the future!

At the rate midtown and in-town Atlanta is densifying, I don't think we have to worry too much about current vacant store fronts. They will be filled in time.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2016...rezoning-for-home-park-mixed-use-project



Nimby's are pushing back against the rezoning for this project.

[HeightsRising]

Quite fascinating! ...though I'm unsure if its supposed to be a casino, or a hospital addition!

...either way, I'd be curious to hear how the critics will view it!!!



-Johns Doesif

[Martinman]

Originally Posted by BunkyWay

People who believe or insist (through the writing of zoning codes) that retail should be incorporated into every design are, for lack of a better word, ignorant, as they have no understanding of the current market trends that are pushing the retail industry away from brick and mortar stores.

A coffee shop or restaurant is not the same thing as a retail store, so perhaps some are just using incorrect terminology.

Considering that no one has even suggested writing codes that require retail everywhere, we're all safe from your ignorant label.

I am arguing that it is the missed opportunity for this development to add the growing vibrancy of the neighborhood and of this specific location. Instead, this will continue the schizophrenic street-level environment in Midtown - one block has street level retail, the next block has a plaza, the next block has retail, the next block is a parking lot, and so on. Is it any wonder that the retail already in existence struggles?

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2016...rezoning-for-home-park-mixed-use-project

Nimby's are pushing back against the rezoning for this project.

This is silly...