Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[mattropolis]

Originally Posted by Jebby

Yes, they likely are cheaper since you don't have to split the guideway before entering the station.

Simpler design, more standard guideway parts = cheaper

Cheaper to build, but more expensive to operate. Inlet station will have 8 escalators (up and down), a typical lightly used station could get by with 2. Because of side platforms and two entrances and up/down they need 8.

The Ministry of Transportation will save costs on construction, and pass those higher costs onto TransLink in the form of higher maintenance and operating costs.

[TransitFreak]

Also too is the reduced footprint required...it can also integrate a quite a bit better than a centre platform station to the neighborhood. I think you'll see centre platforms reserved for major transfer hubs or where branches split off from the trunk, or where construction techniques dictate it, like the downtown canada line stations

[officedweller]

Yeah, for Canada Line the twin bore provided space in the middle for centre platforms.

You may also see centre platforms at terminus stations to allow for use of either side as the active platform (i.e Waterfront, Scott Road, and Large Lake Douglas, though New Westminster, King George and VCC-Clark aren't).

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog

Does anyone know why new Skytrain station platforms are always separated? I prefer when the station has the platform in the middle because it makes things less confusing.

Are divided platforms cheaper?

It probably depends. We're seeing the limitations of the center-platform model on the Expo Line today, while the side-platforms at least give the option to widen or lengthen the platform at a future date if necessary. However nothing precludes adding a third platform (eg at Broadway) except space on that side of the track.

However not every platform is created equal. The split platform stations are mostly three-level designs, with one escalator and one staircase on both sides, meeting at a mezzanine level which in turn has only one primary entrance, making less faregates needed. But they also have the option to expand their mezzanine levels to cross the road to other developments.

In fact:
http://ca.perkinswill.com/sites/default/files/Transit_2014_Full_Spread_02.pdf

Brentwood station: 8.1 million (22,000sq feet)
Gilmore station: 7.9 million (24,700sq feet)

Canada Line Richmond stations: 6 million each (15,000 sq ft)

Evergreen Line stations: Not disclosed.

Broadway-Commercial transit village: 3 million
Metrotown transit village: 3 million

Note that "transit village" doesn't necessarily mean the station. For reference, the Kingsway Pedestrian bridge is 2.7 million and 140' ft long.

If you want a comparison however scroll down to Scarborough Rapid Transit Centennial College station. 6 Million (27,718sq feet)

And for completeness:
Sound Transit 200th street station: 12 million, 380' foot platform elevated station.

[Olden Retreiver]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Yeah, they'd be arguing over the "cause" of the various cost increases, with the contractor arguing they result from changes in the work, but changes should all be priced in advance of authorization.

I'm sure there will be a couple of "change orders" for extras not in the original contract, but the much bigger issue is that with their multiple tunnel collapses and the associated costs & delays, EGRT failed to meet the terms and conditions of the original deal. On balance, I'll be angry if $1 goes to SNC from this "arbitration."

[WarrenC12]

http://www.news1130.com/2016/04/25/evergreen-line-cost-overruns/

No less than three times, Minister Peter Fassbender responded to questions about how much the province might have to cough up by saying the project remains on time and on budget.

NEWS 1130 asked if we were talking about millions or even hundreds of millions of dollars.

“I don’t know the details of that,” said Fassbender. “I know what the total budget is. It will be on budget.”

Do these guys do any homework before speaking? Answers like this make them look either stupid or intentionally deceitful.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

http://www.news1130.com/2016/04/25/evergreen-line-cost-overruns/



Do these guys do any homework before speaking? Answers like this make them look either stupid or intentionally deceitful.

David Eby had pretty much the same comments in the legislature last week -- the list of things Peter Fassbender doesn't know about TransLink is long indeed.

[Pinion]

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So jealous of Coquitlam et al

[queetz@home]

Well this is very long over due for the Tri Cities so nothing to be jealous about.

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

http://www.news1130.com/2016/04/25/evergreen-line-cost-overruns/

Do these guys do any homework before speaking? Answers like this make them look either stupid or intentionally deceitful.

It was stupid under Todd Stone, now it's malicious given to Fassbender. He was the pointman for causing the teachers strike, and now that he's been given mandate over TransLink contracts have broken down and CMBC is holding a strike vote. Why would Christy Clark transfer TransLink to Fassbender even though it doesn't fit in his ministry? Because he gets the results wanted.

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Meraki

It was stupid under Todd Stone, now it's malicious given to Fassbender. He was the pointman for causing the teachers strike, and now that he's been given mandate over TransLink contracts have broken down and CMBC is holding a strike vote. Why would Christy Clark transfer TransLink to Fassbender even though it doesn't fit in his ministry? Because he gets the results wanted.

Fassbender got Translink because he is the one that understands the challenges of the Mayor's Council the most, as well as the regional needs of the entire region. Despite him being the mayor of Langley back then, he was not parochial and always look for what's best for the region overall. He was very very instrumental in bringing the Evergreen Line, something which I personally thanked him for during one of the BC Liberal fundraising events I attended.

Just because he says or does a thing or two that you may not agree with him doesn't mean he is a bad person. Peter Fassbender is very passionate on regional transportation issue and if there is a fault here, is why it took Christy so long to assign the Translink portfolio to him. This should have been done as soon as her new government went into action.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Just because he says or does a thing or two that you may not agree with him doesn't mean he is a bad person. Peter Fassbender is very passionate on regional transportation issue and if there is a fault here, is why it took Christy so long to assign the Translink portfolio to him. This should have been done as soon as her new government went into action.

If he's so passionate about regional transportation why does he know so little about TransLink?

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

If he's so passionate about regional transportation why does he know so little about TransLink?

Don't mistake a lack of knowledge for what is probably a personal dislike of his towards David Eby and Bob Mackin. He really seems to have a long history in dealing with Bob Mackin because of his long service in some high exposure positions, like in Langley, as cochair of Translink, and being on chair of PavCo and cochair on the Fraser Health municipal advisory council, and being minister of Education.

[SOSS]

On the commute home I noticed that the concrete forms have now reached the lower tunnel entrance in Port Moody. Some forms have been completely pulled out and others remain in place at the entrance likely to be poured very soon.

[scryer]

It's interesting to note that they are STILL calling it the Evergreen line. I don't mean to regurgitate pages of arguments, but why is it still being referred to as such on mediums like advertising?

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by scryer

It's interesting to note that they are STILL calling it the Evergreen line. I don't mean to regurgitate pages of arguments, but why is it still being referred to as such on mediums like advertising?

Why shouldn't they call it Evergreen Line? Its always been Evergreen Line. Only people who are so attached to the "Millennium Line" are obsessed about it, calling it Evergreen Extension and such for the sake of the Millennium Line name. Its proper name is Evergreen Line no matter what the powers to be want it called.

Besides, assuming you are referring to ads from real estate companies, why should they pay extra to reprint their ads just because of Translink's incompetence? Its been called Evergreen Line since that name that line contest, mentioned by politicians and their election platforms and even SNC-Lavalin's new company, EGRT, based its name on that. No one from Translink ever mentioned of a change in name until we saw that graphic from the Translink Annual Report.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

Don't mistake a lack of knowledge for what is probably a personal dislike of his towards David Eby and Bob Mackin. He really seems to have a long history in dealing with Bob Mackin because of his long service in some high exposure positions, like in Langley, as cochair of Translink, and being on chair of PavCo and cochair on the Fraser Health municipal advisory council, and being minister of Education.

So why can't he answer the most basic of questions at a public press conference on the Evergreen line?

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So why can't he answer the most basic of questions at a public press conference on the Evergreen line?

Would you answer off-the-script questions from a reporter who wants your head on a plate? I wouldn't either.

Since the local media often makes mountains out of molehills, it does not serve the public interest to answer any questions for which he has not prepared an answer for. If that happens to be "nothing", then so be it.

Not that I'd defend a politician, because the majority of them are useless all-bark-no-bite, but the opposition feels it's job is in trying to make the government look like clowns by trying to find a fault with everything, not actually offering solutions. When it comes to election time this is why they don't win. If the opposition can't find a way to paint the Evergreen line as a scandal, then they have nothing.

[sweetnhappy]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Why shouldn't they call it Evergreen Line? Its always been Evergreen Line. Only people who are so attached to the "Millennium Line" are obsessed about it, calling it Evergreen Extension and such for the sake of the Millennium Line name. Its proper name is Evergreen Line no matter what the powers to be want it called.

Then please explain why all of the signage at the new stations and at Lougheed Town Centre displays the Millennium Line Evergreen Extension name.

The reason it was initially to be called the Evergreen Line was because of it was going to be a separate LRT line. Now that it's integrated with the Millennium Line, it is indeed an extension (as seen in previous planning documents - the Millennium Line was supposed to connect Columbia to Lougheed, then go east into Coquitlam and west to Granville – it was a big T with Lougheed at the intersection – see the Liveable Region Strategic Plan (published in 2000, page 32))

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So why can't he answer the most basic of questions at a public press conference on the Evergreen line?

Like Kisai said, it's because Bob Mackin picks apart provincial projects looking for threads to pull on, and more than that, pretty much has a personal ax to grind with Peter Fassbender. Even in the interview audio clip for the radio, Mackin brings up BC Place, which was another direct feud with Peter Fassbender over non-disclosure issues.

If you were being asked inflammatory questions by someone who totally gets under your skin, would you give them an answer they could use against you in anyway?

And what's he supposed to say? The amount is under negotiation and litigation, so it is unknown. The province's position is zero, Lavalin is obviously looking for more. What's he supposed to do, give a range of unknown numbers to the guy who is going to scream the sky is falling with the highest number and then hold feet to the fire if the number is anything other than the lowest?

Fassbender's position, IMO, is that there is a contingency in the budget for this kind of dispute, which will cover any settlement/litigation, so technically the project will be on budget (but hopefully they agree to a low number or zero, and it will be "under budget") and the dispute won't make it late as it can be settled after work is done (so on time as according to the schedule we are running on as of this press conference).

It's my opinion that he is just being as flippant as possible to someone he doesn't particularly like.