Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4 - Page 307

SLCLvr · #**6121** Posted **Apr 26, 2016, 7:02 PM**

From the Homeless Services Site Evaluation Commission Background Information for April 18, 2016 Meeting handout: "Commission's Goals: Determine appropriate siting for up to two resource centers in Salt Lake City. These resource centers will serve the single men and single female populations, and will be designated not to exceed 250 persons. Resource centers will provide housing, as well as treatment and services." Could certainly revise the goal as they get more info. A 250 bed facility would still be more than most neighborhoods would be happy about welcoming.

Future Mayor · #**6122** Posted **Apr 26, 2016, 7:58 PM**

Not to change the subject, but I'm going to anyway. In all honesty we have to expect that the CCH will be an L shape, or wall, to one extent of the other. My hope is that they will be creative and a portion of it, or two portions will have a tower that is taller than the rest.

Here are a few convention hotels that I like the overall look of:

Fort Worth - Something like this would make sense for the UMOCA site, wide base with plenty of rooms, but still has a tower portion.

Austin - Proposed

Tucson - Proposed

Houston

Denver

Cleveland

delts145 · #**6123** Posted **Apr 26, 2016, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by bflatflat9

Most conventon center hotels don't have a helipad.
I'm wondering what type of high rollers do you see needing/wanting/using one in SLC?
The Outdoor people don't seem the type, and this ain't Vegas or L.A., so I'm just askin.

True, Convention Hotels don't really have helipads, I wasn't thinking of the Salt Lake CCH as strictly a convention hotel however. Like the hotel here in L.A., it will likely have a large upscale residential component. Without the residential component the L.A. CCH probably wouldn't have a helipad either. Whether that's a requirement for a luxury residential component in Salt Lake, I don't know.

asies1981 · #**6124** Posted **Apr 26, 2016, 11:33 PM**

Post on the Towne at 7th Street, a proposed seven-unit condo project on 700 East.

Future Mayor · #**6125** Posted **Apr 26, 2016, 11:59 PM**

I'm glad that the HLC sent back the original proposal due in part to street engagement. That is one of the things that make people hate multi-unit housing is that the older stuff, 50's-90's had zero street engagement. I think the 7th East street engagement on the updated proposal is fantastic. I also like they the developer thought outside the box and added the 7th unit to the top. I also like the extensive use of brick, on the south and west elevations.

Utah_Dave · #**6126** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 12:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by EPdesign

Found it! Look up the Westend Strasse 1 in Germany. I like that building!! The cch would look cool like that

Wow, you nailed it EP. the crown is a bit much but the German hotel is almost a perfect fit to tie into the original design of the salt palace. It matches the curve of the existing tower and the crown looks like it belongs with the convention centers design. Can someone post pictures of the German hotel and the salt palace together?

Nice call!

Merewether · #**6127** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 1:30 AM**

Speaking of street engagement...

There is an interesting new "Storefront Report" which "measures the number and concentration of customer-facing businesses in the nation’s large metropolitan areas."
There are maps of the individual cities. Given the scale of the project one shouldn't complain that there are errors in the SL map..think of it as a memory test "what is really along that stretch of Broadway?" The general trends are apparent and it looks like SL is roughly average for metros of its size.

http://cityobservatory.org/storefront/ citation courtesy of Washington Post's Wonkbolg

Marvland · #**6128** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Not to change the subject, but I'm going to anyway. In all honesty we have to expect that the CCH will be an L shape, or wall, to one extent of the other. My hope is that they will be creative and a portion of it, or two portions will have a tower that is taller than the rest.

Here are a few convention hotels that I like the overall look of:

I like Austin and Cleveland. I hate the others. I'm pretty sure they will have to avoid a "wall" within the UMOCA footprint.

On the homelessness thing, it's all window dressing. Until we stop putting mentally ill people either in prison or the on the streets, this will continue unabated. And yes, — addiction is a subset of mental illness. All other types of non-chronic homelessness is temporary (I've been there).

In the early 80's, both parties conspired to disband the state mental health systems. The left was concerned with "civil liberties" (see: Cukoos Nest, one Flew Over the) and the right wanted to "save money" (See: Reagan, Ronald). Mix in a little war on drugs and bang.. The homeless and prison populations explode. Everybody scratches their heads and says "where did these people all come from?" We have an advanced enough society to do social mental hospitals with controlled involuntary internment better than we did in the 1920s-1970s. Nothing will happen until we do that, but the left and the right can no longer talk to each other without calling each other stupid names. I don't hold out much hope.

Utah_Dave · #**6129** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 2:53 AM**

Hey Future Mayor,

Could you post some pictures of the current convention center and the German strasse building EP speaks of.

Much appreciated

Comrade · #**6130** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 4:55 AM**

Highrise_Mike · #**6131** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 5:03 AM**

I like the new Austin CCH that FM posted and the Cleveland one is really nice too. I would hope for a little additional height on the Cleveland version and the Austin CCH is over 50 floors so I don't foresee something that tall coming to SLC - although it would be nice

The Fort Worth CCH isn't bad and although it's not my first pick, it seems more like something SLC would get.

delts145 · #**6132** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 11:05 AM**

Westendstrasse One - Frankfurt, Germany...682.4 feet...53 floors

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com

http://hdr-germany.com

EPdesign · #**6133** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 1:41 PM**

^^^^^^^sweet!!!!! thanks for posting it Delts.

Maybe not as tall, but it would be a great design for a hotel here

Salty Laker · #**6134** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 2:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Comrade

Don't worry you guys. This CCH has only 300 rooms. We'll get something a whole 3-4 stories TALLER than this. And probably much wider. Maybe by the time it gets built in 10-15 years they'll tack on another 1 or 2 stories because of the increased demand!! Positivity feels so great.

Future Mayor · #**6135** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 2:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Salty Laker

Don't worry you guys. This CCH has only 300 rooms. We'll get something a whole 3-4 stories TALLER than this. And probably much wider. Maybe by the time it gets built in 10-15 years they'll tack on another 1 or 2 stories because of the increased demand!! Positivity feels so great.

Yeah, thanks for joining the forum, we love that every single one of your posts is negative.

Future Mayor · #**6136** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 2:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marvland

I like Austin and Cleveland. I hate the others. I'm pretty sure they will have to avoid a "wall" within the UMOCA footprint.

While it won't be a massive wall, it could still be nearly 300', depending on the layout, how close to the Abravanel plaza they go, and if they retain the walkway from W. Temple to the loading docks or not. The possible facade could be longer than the Nordstrom facade. For reference the Marriott is roughly 330'. While not overly long at 300' or even 250', when you get up towards 20 stories of rooms, that can become a pretty big wall.

delts145 · #**6137** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by EPdesign

^^^^^^^sweet!!!!! thanks for posting it Delts.

Maybe not as tall, but it would be a great design for a hotel here

You're welcome. Nice design, and it would seem to be using a lot of granite for it's material. Like was posted, it also fits well with the current Convention Center design. I think anything between 500 and 600' would not be too tall or unbalance the skyline. This, mostly because of the COB and the rise it sits on. If anything, we need something taller on that corner to balance out the COB and the added height it gains from its perch. IMO, something in the 500-600' range would make for a much more balanced and attractive skyline than what we have now. I do have confidence in the decision makers that the design will be a two tower (one wing taller and one wing shorter) I don't believe they'll place something similar to a giant wall, like we see with Phoenix, or even Denver for that matter. I think Denver is much more attractive than Phoenix, but still wouldn't fit well at the north location.

Salty Laker · #**6138** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 3:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Yeah, thanks for joining the forum, we love that every single one of your posts is negative.

I've learned to embrace cynicism but I'll try to be more positive and resourceful.

Viperlord · #**6139** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 6:33 PM**

In a rare deal, downtown Salt Lake City bookseller to stay put — for a time

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3821753-155/in-a-rare-deal-downtown-salt

San Diego-Honolulu · #**6140** Posted **Apr 27, 2016, 6:57 PM**

Slow last couple weeks everyone in Salt Lake City? You guys make me laugh with these pipe dreams of what you think this hotel will look like.

Since when is Salt Lake City ever flashy or setting new standards with buildings? This hotel will most likely just be T or L shaped and blend in with the other buildings with a natural color look and probably be no taller than the fourth or fifth tallest in Salt Lake City.

In other news, water is still wet in Salt Lake City.