Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[le calmar]

That's right, there will be 20 km of new tracks.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Beedok

So it's gobbling up Deux Montagne, but also adding some substantial new tracks right?

yes. YUL - Downtown in 12min during the rush hour.

[LaGrandeOurse]

So there will be a housing boom in the Deux-montagnes/Saint-eustache area contributing furthermore to suburban sprawl as it happened with the opening of the Mascouche line.

[Acajack]

Great news.

One thing I find is that the line to the airport takes a fairly circuitous route, northbound for quite some distance.

When the existing AMT Vaudreuil-Hudson line goes right by the airport.

But I guess they have no choice.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Great news.

One thing I find is that the line to the airport takes a fairly circuitous route, northbound for quite some distance.

When the existing AMT Vaudreuil-Hudson line goes right by the airport.

But I guess they have no choice.

Je crois qu'ils ne veulent pas avoir le CN dans les jambes. Si tout est grade separated, ils n'ont pas le choix.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by le calmar

That's right, there will be 20 km of new tracks.

Thought so.
Awesome.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Je crois qu'ils ne veulent pas avoir le CN dans les jambes. Si tout est grade separated, ils n'ont pas le choix.

Sûrement ça, et aussi le fait que c'est quasi impossible pour eux de prendre le contrôle et transformer la ligne Vaudreuil-Hudson comme ils vont faire pour la ligne Deux-Montagnes.

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by nephersir7

It looks like it's going to use Skytrain-like rolling stock, with catenaries instead of third rail

http://cdpqinfra.com/sites/all/files/document/cdpqinfra_briefing_technique_anglais_2016-04-22.pdf

Interesting. If they go with Bombardier's Innovia rolling stock, there's no reason they can't use overhead catenary for power supply.

Last year in Japan a bunch of old Tokyo Metro Ginza Line cars were repurposed for a local railway in Kumamoto,
they had catenaries installed to replace the original third rail power with few modifications in order to support it.

Wouldn't be surprised if LIM propulsion tech gets thrown in as well, and/or switch made to third rail, to reduce tunnelling costs.

[GreaterMontréal]

the REM will have a max speed of 100km/h. All stations will be covered, climate-controlled, etc...

[Innsertnamehere]

so will this replace the Deux-montagnes AMT line?

Also, I find that 2020 completion date to be rather optimistic.. $5.5 billion dollar project built in 3 years!?! very fast.

[MalcolmTucker]

Well, if they are shutting down current services in the tunnel they have to be fast!

[GreaterMontréal]

'' the James Bay in Montréal ''

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

so will this replace the Deux-montagnes AMT line?

Also, I find that 2020 completion date to be rather optimistic.. $5.5 billion dollar project built in 3 years!?! very fast.

Yes it will replace Deux-Montagnes, reviving the old Red line Metro project (rapid transit using the Mount Royal Tunnel).

Construction is set to start next spring with an end date in 2020. Maybe 2021 for certain phases. The Deux-Montagnes branch will certainly be ready for 2020 as most of the infrastructure is already there (rail and catenary).

This is certainly one of the most important transit projects in the country with GO RER. It would become the 3rd biggest automated system in the world after Dubai and Vancouver. Plus 67km is almost as long as the current Metro system, so this is like a complementary/secondary Metro system.

[GreaterMontréal]

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[McC]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Plus 67km is almost as long as the current Metro system, so this is like a complementary/secondary Metro system.

so then why put it in those terms? why not call it a doubling of the Metro system?
(no rider will care that it's ALRVs, with overhead wire, and therefore somewhat different technology than the pneumatic heavy rail MR-XXs)

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by McC

so then why put it in those terms? why not call it a doubling of the Metro system?
(no rider will care that it's ALRVs, with overhead wire, and therefore somewhat different technology than the pneumatic heavy rail MR-XXs)

It is a doubling of the Metro but the fact that it's a different technology mostly overground and not operated by the STM makes it a different network in my mind.

[lubicon]

Question for those in the know. This project is funded by Caisse de Depot correct? My understanding is that is the investment arm of the various Quebec pension funds? So what are the financial terms and how does Caisse earn a return on this money? It's an intriguing finance model that I would be interested in learning more about as it could be applied across the country to fund other projects.

[MalcolmTucker]

I believe a large portion of the funding is a huge tax increment financing like setup along with the transfer of government owned land within a certain distance of the lines. I think they called the TIF system Land Value Capture, which may be a more extreme version with levies on top, not just ring fencing revenue.

[SkahHigh]

Richard Bergeron, member of Montreal's executive committee, said there could be a second phase (after 2020) extended to the east of the island.

[McC]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

not operated by the STM .

that's a relevant distinction (that I hadn't understood from the news releases) so point taken.