Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[Jay in Cowtown]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Absolutely nothing in this world gets me more fired up than north Americans copying European soccer lingo. It's a fucking field.

Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

[WhipperSnapper]

not very Canadian of you guys.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

not very Canadian of you guys.

Nor is calling a game that's been known as football in this country for 100 years another name like handegg, pointy ball, or gridiron.

A Canadian who refers to soccer as football (in this country) is a poseur.

I don't agree with much of oilkountry's poop most of the time but he made a post a while back about the motivations of people who use foreign terms against convention (in this country). And on that point, I think he has something.

It's a free country and you can call it what you want but I have to question the motivations of why one would do that.

I don't really have a problem with the word pitch but when people use the word football when they mean soccer, it only serves to create unnecessary confusion.

[Migs]

Some images of new Mosaic Stadium from today.


(D.Entner on IG)

(Following images from moi)

[osmo]

Everything about Mosiac 2.0 is living up to the hype aside from the siding. Well I was worried about it in the renders but it is hard for me to warm up to. I don't like the materials or the patterns. Would of even better in a matte/gun metal green or just a silver like with Edmonton's new rink.

In a perfect world the tyndal stone would of been used all over.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by elly63

Nor is calling a game that's been known as football in this country for 100 years another name like handegg, pointy ball, or gridiron.

A Canadian who refers to soccer as football (in this country) is a poseur.

I don't agree with much of oilkountry's poop most of the time but he made a post a while back about the motivations of people who use foreign terms against convention (in this country). And on that point, I think he has something.

It's a free country and you can call it what you want but I have to question the motivations of why one would do that.

I don't really have a problem with the word pitch but when people use the word football when they mean soccer, it only serves to create unnecessary confusion.

I use the word pitch for soccer fields only (ok, maybe rugby too), and field for all other field sports.

In French the word is always "terrain" for all sports.

When speaking to North Americans in any language, "football" is what I use to talk about the sport played in the CFL and NFL. If I am talking in an international setting I will use "gridiron football" to describe this sport. I don't find gridiron is a disrespectful term BTW.

In Quebec as in the rest of North America, "soccer" is the term for association football.

Although the French short term "foot" (as in "le foot", "on va jouer au foot") is used for soccer in Quebec and never refers to CFL/NFL style football.

No one would mistake this store in my city for anything but a soccer shop:

http://www.planetefoot.ca/

[GlassCity]

I'm a rugby player and I refer to the playing surface as a field and pitch interchangeably. Field is the natural instinct but considering the number of foreign coaches I've had and that commentators in pro leagues in Europe and the Southern Hemisphere all call it a pitch, it makes its way into your speech.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by elly63

Nor is calling a game that's been known as football in this country for 100 years another name like handegg, pointy ball, or gridiron.

A Canadian who refers to soccer as football (in this country) is a poseur.

I don't agree with much of oilkountry's poop most of the time but he made a post a while back about the motivations of people who use foreign terms against convention (in this country). And on that point, I think he has something.

It's a free country and you can call it what you want but I have to question the motivations of why one would do that.

I don't really have a problem with the word pitch but when people use the word football when they mean soccer, it only serves to create unnecessary confusion.

The majority of those that watch soccer in this country are foreign born. Against convention? That's something for the US as it reminds me of Americans that call people poseurs for using the correct pronunciation of foreign rooted words or companies.

[Berklon]

When someone pokes fun of me for using the "Americanized" term of soccer instead of football, I gently remind them that it was an Englishman who invented the word and that the British adopted it for a while... and the word "football" wasn't even used until years later. That usually shuts them up.

[Riise]

Originally Posted by elly63

A Canadian who refers to soccer as football (in this country) is a poseur.

While recent fans of the sport could fairly be called posers for calling it football, there are numerous reasons for longer-term followers to call it football.

• Growing up in a community full of ex-pats where it was usually referred to as football.
• Spending a lot of time watching and playing the game in groups full of ex-pats who usually refer to it as football.
• Using the terms to differentiate between the long ball and physical approach to the game (i.e. soccer) versus a short passing and technical approach (i.e. football).

In terms of terminology, it differs by sport. Oilkountry would probably wet his pants if every Englishman talking about hockey referred to shutouts and every Aussie talking about the CFL referred to touchdowns, however, Canadians using the terms cleansheet and try when talking about the MLS or the AFL respectively is infuriating.

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by Berklon

When someone pokes fun of me for using the "Americanized" term of soccer instead of football, I gently remind them that it was an Englishman who invented the word and that the British adopted it for a while... and the word "football" wasn't even used until years later. That usually shuts them up.

The English didn't "adopt" football until the 1970's. Before that Soccer was used, and you are right it shuts most up quick smart.

[Riise]

Originally Posted by Berklon

and the word "football" wasn't even used until years later.

Originally Posted by Dalreg

The English didn't "adopt" football until the 1970's. Before that Soccer was used, and you are right it shuts most up quick smart.

Wasn't the word 'soccer' a shortened form of 'association football'? While soccer was used until the last half of the 20th Century, the term football was more popular and the use of the term soccer just died out no?

[The Fisher Account]

Can you guys take your terminology whinefest to another thread so we can discuss stadium construction progress?

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Can you guys take your terminology whinefest to another thread so we can discuss stadium construction progress?

Amen.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Riise

Wasn't the word 'soccer' a shortened form of 'association football'? While soccer was used until the last half of the 20th Century, the term football was more popular and the use of the term soccer just died out no?

Yes it was a shortened form. If you check out http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=soccer you can get a bit of a history on how the term came about along with a few other soccer-related tidbits.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by osmo

Everything about Mosiac 2.0 is living up to the hype aside from the siding. Well I was worried about it in the renders but it is hard for me to warm up to. I don't like the materials or the patterns. Would of even better in a matte/gun metal green or just a silver like with Edmonton's new rink.

In a perfect world the tyndal stone would of been used all over.

Exactly my thoughts. The exterior all ready looks dated. I'd rather have had it all done in corragated metal like a grain silo then this.

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Exactly my thoughts. The exterior all ready looks dated. I'd rather have had it all done in corragated metal like a grain silo then this.

I definitely question the material they went with, looks like it might have been the cheapest option. I don't think I can think of another stadium that uses the same material.

[tomthumb2]

Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime

I definitely question the material they went with, looks like it might have been the cheapest option. I don't think I can think of another stadium that uses the same material.

Could be worse!

[Corndogger]

As the Calgary Flames’ ownership group continues trumpeting its pricey CalgaryNEXT arena-stadium proposal, the city and operators of the Scotiabank Saddledome are quietly considering “multiple scenarios” for the landmark building — including a date with the wrecking ball.

A request for proposal released this week shows the Saddledome Foundation and city hall are seeking a consulting team to deliver a report by October that lays out potential future uses of the Saddledome facility if the Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corp. pursues its strategy to build a new arena in Calgary.

“The timeline for this strategy to unfold is unclear, however the foundation has been directed to determine feasible options for the future use of the Saddledome facility should the Flames move from the facility,” reads the request.

Last August, Calgary Sports and Entertainment unveiled its ambitious, but short on key details, plan to build a new $890-million NHL arena, CFL stadium and public field house on a contaminated site in the West Village using a mix of private and public dollars.

The group owns the Flames, Calgary Stampeders, Hitmen of the Western Hockey League and Roughnecks of the National Lacrosse League, and has been drafting plans for a new arena as far back as 2007. The teams are playing in some of their respective leagues’ oldest facilities. The Saddledome was built in 1983 and McMahon Stadium in 1960.

Full article: http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news...tudy-potential-future-uses-of-arena-land

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Berklon

When someone pokes fun of me for using the "Americanized" term of soccer instead of football, I gently remind them that it was an Englishman who invented the word and that the British adopted it for a while... and the word "football" wasn't even used until years later. That usually shuts them up.

I find some people want to make it seem as if the British never used the term soccer. I know on the first broadcast of BBC2 (the one where the power went out) the sports guy uses the word soccer.

Association football (soccer) and rugby (rugger) were often used terms.