ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[skyscraper_inspector]

Originally Posted by darkcarrington

195 Thirteenth reminds me of 22 14th Street/Midtown Spring. Is it also a Related project?

I don't believe it is. The developer only lists one other property in Georgia. Could be the same architect though.

So, where exactly is this going? At the address at 13th St NE, there is what appears to be a few condos at the site?

If it's at 13th NW, will it be built over one of the parking lots?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Some other news via Permits:

-Modera Buckhead filed for its Land Dev Permit (At Peachtree and Pharr)

-Cornerstone MOB (Medical Offices) has filed for its permits. This has changed significantly from what has been seen prior (At Collier and Peachtree). It is now 4 separate mixed use buildings. The uses will include Medical Offices, Retail, and Senior Citizen Housing as well as a parking deck.

-There will be another self-storage facility being built at Lenox and Buford Highway.

-Square on Fifth will also be getting some sort of cookie shop for one of its retail tenants similar to University House. (Tiff's Treats)

[PremierAtlanta]

Originally Posted by skyscraper_inspector

I don't believe it is. The developer only lists one other property in Georgia. Could be the same architect though.

So, where exactly is this going? At the address at 13th St NE, there is what appears to be a few condos at the site?

If it's at 13th NW, will it be built over one of the parking lots?

It appears to be across 13th Street from the Mayfair Renaissance on the south side of the street. Yoo on the Park is on the north side of 12th Street one block over.

If this one breaks ground and join Yoo on the Park, Azure on the Park and Alta on the Park, this could really turn into a special neighborhood. Being next to the park and the leafy side streets will make for a very pleasant urban experience. The density will be amazing and potentially some of the highest in the city. This will help the commercial spots on Juniper Street.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

There are many, many other more appropriate lots available for something this tall. The office and hotel portion look fantastic, and the same number of condo's could be accommodated - but with a totally different and much less tall design. I know this is sacrilegious to even utter these thoughts with many here, but I could care less.

I mean, considering what'll eventually go across the street I don't think this argument will work long term. There was the idea pre-Recession that the lot across the street could hold Atlanta's tallest building or Atlanta's "Time Warner Center".

Atlanta-based developer Shailendra Group LLC and the New York office of architect Skidmore Ownings & Merrill LLP had reached the design phase on 1400 Peachtree at Peachtree and 17th streets. One concept had 1400 Peachtree eclipsing the 55-floor Bank of America Plaza as the tallest building in Atlanta. Another resembled the dual-towered Time Warner Center.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/...dewberry-buys-1400-peachtree-for-6m.html

I know it's Dewberry, but the longer he waits on lots like this the more valuable they'll be. I think whatever goes on his lot will be taller than this building, and it wouldn't be out of scale. Granted, this one does back up directly to Ansley Park, but this is just the beginning for what will eventually fill out that area. If they ever do the infill Marta station near Peachtree Point, I'd assume that'd come along with fairly large towers. All this to say that long term this tower won't stand out that much.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by PremierAtlanta

It appears to be across 13th Street from the Mayfair Renaissance on the south side of the street. Yoo on the Park is on the north side of 12th Street one block over.

If this one breaks ground and join Yoo on the Park, Azure on the Park and Alta on the Park, this could really turn into a special neighborhood. Being next to the park and the leafy side streets will make for a very pleasant urban experience. The density will be amazing and potentially some of the highest in the city. This will help the commercial spots on Juniper Street.

FYI, Yoo on Park is on the South side of 13th. Luxe is on the North side of 12th. They are basically back to back to each other. I believe this new development will be directly west of Yoo on Park on the south side of 13th as well.


Here is an image to illustrate... It is unclear if this new development will gobble the remaining low rises on 13th or just one plot.

[PremierAtlanta]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

FYI, Yoo on Park is on the South side of 13th. Luxe is on the North side of 12th. They are basically back to back to each other. I believe this new development will be directly west of Yoo on Park on the south side of 13th as well.


Here is an image to illustrate... It is unclear if this new development will gobble the remaining low rises on 13th or just one plot.

Ahhhhh...okay. That makes sense. Am I thinking of Alta on the Park on the north side of 12th?

[RATBOYKEV]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Here is an image to illustrate... It is unclear if this new development will gobble the remaining low rises on 13th or just one plot.

The right question mark is also part of the 195 13th tower proposal. YOTP & the new proposal are adjacent to one another.

Originally Posted by PremierAtlanta

The density will be amazing and potentially some of the highest in the city. This will help the commercial spots on Juniper Street.

The population density of this census district (West Peachtree to PP & 10th to 14th) if every proposal is built, would be between 40,000 and 50,000 persons/sq mi. For reference, it was 14,000 ppsm in the 2000 census and 20,000 ppsm in the 2010 census.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by PremierAtlanta

If this one breaks ground and join Yoo on the Park, Azure on the Park and Alta on the Park, this could really turn into a special neighborhood. Being next to the park and the leafy side streets will make for a very pleasant urban experience. The density will be amazing and potentially some of the highest in the city. This will help the commercial spots on Juniper Street.

14th Street is already the densest block in all of Atlanta, although I agree yes it will be great having more pedestrian activity. And i'm confused about your comment about commercial spots on Juniper. Aren't there only two restaurants on Juniper? Even going down to 905, there's only Henry's and The Lawrence. Are there vacant commercial spots in 12th & Midtown along Juniper?

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

...And i'm confused about your comment about commercial spots on Juniper. Aren't there only two restaurants on Juniper? Even going down to 905, there's only Henry's and The Lawrence. Are there vacant commercial spots in 12th & Midtown along Juniper?

Yeah, I think all the ones in the back of 12th and Midtown are empty.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by PremierAtlanta

Ahhhhh...okay. That makes sense. Am I thinking of Alta on the Park on the north side of 12th?

Alta at the Park is on the Southside of 12th partially across the street from Luxe. Azure on the Park is on the south side of 11th too.

Not sure the names anymore why is every development over there using some form of "at/on the Park"

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

14th Street is already the densest block in all of Atlanta, although I agree yes it will be great having more pedestrian activity. And i'm confused about your comment about commercial spots on Juniper. Aren't there only two restaurants on Juniper? Even going down to 905, there's only Henry's and The Lawrence. Are there vacant commercial spots in 12th & Midtown along Juniper?

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7840746,...FiV7SIAAAGuvZA1VQ!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656

[PostIt]

Originally Posted by skyscraper_inspector

I don't believe it is. The developer only lists one other property in Georgia. Could be the same architect though.

So, where exactly is this going? At the address at 13th St NE, there is what appears to be a few condos at the site?

If it's at 13th NW, will it be built over one of the parking lots?

Developer is Lennar, they are publicly traded and very large https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennar_Corporation . Given their size, they probably self finance, which means better chance this actually gets built.
It will take up all the parcels between Yoo on the Park until Park Central on Juniper. They could actually build taller (as high as the Mayfair) but seems like they are choosing not to. Interesting to see pool on building roof, instead of on parking deck roof, as is more common.

[skyscraper_inspector]

Originally Posted by PostIt

Developer is Lennar, they are publicly traded and very large https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennar_Corporation . Given their size, they probably self finance, which means better chance this actually gets built.
It will take up all the parcels between Yoo on the Park until Park Central on Juniper. They could actually build taller (as high as the Mayfair) but seems like they are choosing not to. Interesting to see pool on building roof, instead of on parking deck roof, as is more common.

Yes, what I meant by "I don't believe it is" was in response to the comment asking if the project was related to another project.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by PostIt

Developer is Lennar, they are publicly traded and very large https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennar_Corporation . Given their size, they probably self finance, which means better chance this actually gets built.
It will take up all the parcels between Yoo on the Park until Park Central on Juniper. They could actually build taller (as high as the Mayfair) but seems like they are choosing not to. Interesting to see pool on building roof, instead of on parking deck roof, as is more common.

All the Skyhouses have rooftop pools as well as the Azure on the Park project under construction - usually they're undersized and not deep enough for what they should be because of structural implications - not to mention the loss of the units below due to the infrastructure rooftop pools require.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Yeah, I think all the ones in the back of 12th and Midtown are empty.

Thanks! I was never sure if they were doors to the parking garage or if they were vacant stores. Glad you provided info rather than the streetview provided below your comment

As for rooftop pools, I'm pretty sure they will start to be the norm. Parking deck pools will be covered with shadows more often than not as Atlanta becomes more dense, which is awesome for the development of this city!

[Atlanta3000]

Cornerstone Buckhead MOB Closer To Reality
https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/mixe...ead-mob-closer-to-reality-58713?rt=13630

[Verge]

Corner Stone MOB rendering--

This thing is de-evolving before our eyes. Each new(er) version has gotten progressively worse and more amateurish--

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Thanks! I was never sure if they were doors to the parking garage or if they were vacant stores. Glad you provided info rather than the streetview provided below your comment

As for rooftop pools, I'm pretty sure they will start to be the norm. Parking deck pools will be covered with shadows more often than not as Atlanta becomes more dense, which is awesome for the development of this city!

Back off man, I was actually trying to be helpful. I didn't even see the last part of your question when I posted that. I read it too fast. Nor did I see the comments prior to mine because I did not refresh the page.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Frankster87

Back off man, I was actually trying to be helpful. I didn't even see the last part of your question when I posted that. I read it too fast. Nor did I see the comments prior to mine because I did not refresh the page.

[jpk1292000]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Cornerstone Buckhead MOB Closer To Reality
https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/mixe...ead-mob-closer-to-reality-58713?rt=13630

Coma-inducing design. It belongs in a medical office park in Forsyth county.