YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Thanks, sounds like it will be a great aircraft for that route, would love to see the roo in Vancouver year round.

I assume they will need to test them on smaller routes end of 2017, so we wouldn't be seeing them until some time in 2018?

I would like to know if / when we're going to get Melbourne. Big market, from what I understand.

[Johnny Aussie]

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...e/traffic-update_february-2016.pdf?la=en

Overall up 10.8% an increase of 154,768 over Feb 2015
Domestic up 9.4%
Transborder up 7.5%
Asia Pacific up 16.9%
Europe up 20.4%
Misc Int'l up 17.7%

Ttl Int'l up 12.2%

Taking into account the extra day for leap year which gives a 3.6% boost, this is still an excellent result.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Klazu

The route has been there for an year now, so have you trofirhen flown it already? Sometimes I feel like we wish for routes without ever even planning to fly them.

I do!

I wished and wished for AC ( or preferably NH ) to run YVR-KIX again... even though I wouldn't use it that often. Now we've got an AC Rouge flight... which is better than nothing.

Mostly because I have friends and family that prefer a direct flight. Connecting flights generally 🞵🞵🞵🞵, 100% of the time.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...e/traffic-update_february-2016.pdf?la=en

Overall up 10.8% an increase of 154,768 over Feb 2015
Domestic up 9.4%
Transborder up 7.5%
Asia Pacific up 16.9%
Europe up 20.4%
Misc Int'l up 17.7%

Ttl Int'l up 12.2%

Taking into account the extra day for leap year which gives a 3.6% boost, this is still an excellent result.

I sent them an email about this the other day, looks like my whining paid off!

Incredible result, well worth the wait. Like you said even dialing these numbers back 3.6% is astounding growth. Fingers crossed this keeps up!

Any idea what is causing the huge Europe growth? nNot a ton of new service this winter/spring to Europe, unless I am forgetting something.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC just updated summer schedules and they are upgauging:

NRT from a 788 to a 77W
ICN from a 788 to a 789

So that means there will be nothing smaller than a 789 flying from YVR to Asia this summer on AC and BNE will be AC's only international 788 flight now this summer.... Well and EWR too of course.

Daily 77Ws to NRT, PVG, PEK and HKG. Daily 789 to ICN.

NRT is a huge boost in capacity. It will be on the 400 seater with the config with 40J seats.

Overall Asia/Pacific on AC from YVR is now a HUGE increase in seats compared to last summer.

Was thinking about this the other day while at LAX, seeing a couple of very pretty Asiana birds.

Does the recent upguage of AC and Korean metal on the YVR-ICN route make it less likely someone like Asiana would enter the market or signal strength in the route that would make it more likely?

It seems odd to me that Asiana flies to SEA, a skyteam hub, and not YVR a Star Alliance hub, given that they are a Star Alliance member.

Would love to see this tail at YVR:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Asiana-Ai.../L/&sid=215d7ab8b126723341004d384daf256f

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...e/traffic-update_february-2016.pdf?la=en

Overall up 10.8% an increase of 154,768 over Feb 2015
Domestic up 9.4%
Transborder up 7.5%
Asia Pacific up 16.9%
Europe up 20.4%
Misc Int'l up 17.7%

Ttl Int'l up 12.2%

Taking into account the extra day for leap year which gives a 3.6% boost, this is still an excellent result.

I love the way Europe is leading the pack this time !!!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I sent them an email about this the other day, looks like my whining paid off!

Any idea what is causing the huge Europe growth? nNot a ton of new service this winter/spring to Europe, unless I am forgetting something.

Transat did fly an additional weekly flight to LGW this winter. Also, AF started service in late March 2015 so that would also have an effect. These 4 additional flights per week would probably contribute the most to the increase. Remember in the winter YVR-Europe scheds are greatly reduced.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Does the recent upguage of AC and Korean metal on the YVR-ICN route make it less likely someone like Asiana would enter the market or signal strength in the route that would make it more likely?

It seems odd to me that Asiana flies to SEA, a skyteam hub, and not YVR a Star Alliance hub, given that they are a Star Alliance member.

Asiana publicly stated about 4 years ago YVR was on their list of future destinations. However, when the OZ214 incident happened at SFO in July 2013, that had an impact on Asiana's growth plans. As far as I am aware Asiana doesn't have one new destination in the pipeline at the moment.

Asiana has flown to SEA for yonks. They have code shared with AC for a long time as well. I'm sure YVR is still on their radar.

To be fair... AF, KL, CI, CZ, MU, AM and soon to be MF all fly to YVR and not SEA.

In fact, AF, KL, CI, MU and AM have all flown to SEA in the past but all have terminated their SEA services. Granted all terminated before DL set-up SEA as a hub.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I love the way Europe is leading the pack this time !!!

Go Europe Go! This should continue at least through the summer/autumn.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Was thinking about this the other day while at LAX, seeing a couple of very pretty Asiana birds.

Does the recent upguage of AC and Korean metal on the YVR-ICN route make it less likely someone like Asiana would enter the market or signal strength in the route that would make it more likely?

It seems odd to me that Asiana flies to SEA, a skyteam hub, and not YVR a Star Alliance hub, given that they are a Star Alliance member.

Would love to see this tail at YVR:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Asiana-Ai.../L/&sid=215d7ab8b126723341004d384daf256f

Would love to see this tail here too. Codeshare with AC and stagger their schedule with KE, should get some decent loads right off the bat.

Asiana's hard product in economy is really lacking though, on par with some of the older IFE stuff you see on the EVA 747s and CI A340's, really last gen stuff.

[Klazu]

The reason why I would like to see Asiana here is that they are one of the only seven 5-Star Airlines. The two that we currently have are ANA and Cathay Pacific.

Talking about stars, does anyone else think that Air Canada might soon lose their coveted fourth star? They are using it a lot in their advertising, emphasizing how they are the only four-star North American airline. I am just a bit worried that they will be losing their extra star soon, as their product is getting worse by the year (luggage fees, less leg room, poor snacks, etc.). To be honest, I don't know how Air Canada is any different from United, which I fly a lot and is only three stars?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Transat did fly an additional weekly flight to LGW this winter. Also, AF started service in late March 2015 so that would also have an effect. These 4 additional flights per week would probably contribute the most to the increase. Remember in the winter YVR-Europe scheds are greatly reduced.

Thought AF started earlier, that would be a big chink of it. Still even with those two services, that's 5,274 seats added over the 29 days of Feb 2016. The remaining routes must be seeing much better loads given that there are still over 7,000 more PAX unaccounted for in Feb's growth, which is great news.

Asiana publicly stated about 4 years ago YVR was on their list of future destinations. However, when the OZ214 incident happened at SFO in July 2013, that had an impact on Asiana's growth plans. As far as I am aware Asiana doesn't have one new destination in the pipeline at the moment.

Ahh ya totally forgot about that. Didn't realize it had that big an impact, but I guess the optics were not great.

Go Europe Go! This should continue at least through the summer/autumn.

Especially once the two big new London frequencies start up. That's another 15,000 seats per month right there.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

To be fair... AF, KL, CI, CZ, MU, AM and soon to be MF all fly to YVR and not SEA.

MF plan to start XMN-SZX-SEA in Sept.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

MF plan to start XMN-SZX-SEA in Sept.

So, is Seattle playing catch-up with YVR, in that case, do you think?

[Spork]

I'm planning to go to Japan in May and am on the fence over AC vs. JAL. Given many of you seem to travel at least once a month versus my quarterly travels, any recommendations on the better product for economy?

[Orcair]

Originally Posted by Spork

I'm planning to go to Japan in May and am on the fence over AC vs. JAL. Given many of you seem to travel at least once a month versus my quarterly travels, any recommendations on the better product for economy?

JAL uses the 787 in an 8-abreast configuration vs. 9 for every other carrier (each economy seat is approximately 1.5in wider). I would definitely pick JAL over AC unless you have elite status with Star Alliance/Air Canada.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

MF plan to start XMN-SZX-SEA in Sept.

Applied not confirmed. My point of course is despite SEA being a SkyTeam hub, YVR has way more SkyTeam carriers than SEA.

[Black Box]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

So, is Seattle playing catch-up with YVR, in that case, do you think?

If by serving the same markets, we'll probably never catch up with YVR. Seattle is a large, fast growing, domestic airport with a few international routes. We are not the largest city on the West Coast, nor the second largest city, whereas, it is said many times, Canada has Vancouver on the Pacific Rim, and nothing else comes close. Also, as you're all aware, the Chinese population in Vancouver is huge and very wealthy. Different markets, different countries, different focus. Vancouver is more luxury resort than Seattle, Seattle is more corporate business travel than Vancouver. Although it would be nice, I don't mind not having all those connections here. Sure, it takes longer to get to certain places without non-stop direct flights, but one can always fly to LA or San Fran, or make the short trip up to Vancouver.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Applied not confirmed. My point of course is despite SEA being a SkyTeam hub, YVR has way more SkyTeam carriers than SEA.

Pretty much confirmed... not yet available for reservation though

MF845 XMN0900 - 1015SZX1245 - 1025SEA 788 135 eff. Sept 26
MF846 SEA1325 - 1815SZX2015 - 2125XMN 788 135 eff. Sept 26

Funny their both NA routes are between a SkyTeam hub (XMN, SEA) and a Star Alliance hub (SZX, YVR)...

[Johnny Aussie]

AC keeps changing their scheds/equipment. Unusual for them this close to summer season kicking off.

Current changes:

LHR - the second daily will now be operated by a 788 and not the 789. Perhaps just too much of an add. In any event still a large boost in seats from last summer. Looks like ICN and LHR have swapped around. 788 <--> 789.

YYZ will now see more 787 flights.

YYZ widebody breakdown:

77W twice daily
77L once daily
789 twice daily
788 twice daily
763 twice daily

YUL no change once daily 333 and once daily 763
EWR no change once daily 788

[casper]

Originally Posted by Klazu

The reason why I would like to see Asiana here is that they are one of the only seven 5-Star Airlines. The two that we currently have are ANA and Cathay Pacific.

Talking about stars, does anyone else think that Air Canada might soon lose their coveted fourth star? They are using it a lot in their advertising, emphasizing how they are the only four-star North American airline. I am just a bit worried that they will be losing their extra star soon, as their product is getting worse by the year (luggage fees, less leg room, poor snacks, etc.). To be honest, I don't know how Air Canada is any different from United, which I fly a lot and is only three stars?

I still find United a step down from Air Canada. Things also still depend a fair bit on the aircraft your on. I just did the flight from Vancouver to Montreal on the A330. Probably the best wide body in the AC fleet from a comfort perspective.

Luggage Fees, Leg room, poor snacks are across all the airlines. The only one that feels like its improving is Delta.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Talking about stars, does anyone else think that Air Canada might soon lose their coveted fourth star? They are using it a lot in their advertising, emphasizing how they are the only four-star North American airline. I am just a bit worried that they will be losing their extra star soon, as their product is getting worse by the year (luggage fees, less leg room, poor snacks, etc.). To be honest, I don't know how Air Canada is any different from United, which I fly a lot and is only three stars?

I don't think you are flying United enough if you think Air Canada and United are equivalent...