Winnipeg | 300 Main St.- Phase II 360 Main St. | 465 Ft | 42F | Completed - Page 24

rkspec · #**461** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:19 PM**

cant say i wont miss our iconic postcard shot, the new additions will look great

!!

esquire · #**462** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:22 PM**

^ You'll just need a wider lens to capture Skycity and 300 Main

Good point though, those two buildings will spread the skyline out nicely. The small clump at P&M will no longer be the focal point of the skyline.

Jammon · #**463** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:23 PM**

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^ You'll just need a wider lens to capture Skycity and 300 Main

Yup. And within 10 years, this city is going to be forever changed. It will hardly be recognizable!

esquire · #**464** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:25 PM**

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Yup. And within 10 years, this city is going to be forever changed. It will hardly be recognizable!

Unlike TNS and Skycity, 300 Main will really go a long way to filling in a massive skyline gap. It's a godsend for that reason alone!

bomberjet · #**465** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:29 PM**

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I would have thought it'd easily be capable of accommodating a 40 storey residential tower... the initial Trizec plan was for a tower of similar height (looks like a 32ish floor office tower around the 400 ft mark in the renderings), but with a far greater footprint. Is the age of the foundation a limiting factor here?

It's all about how the building codes have changes since then. The physical condition should be fine underground as some have noted, but the dimensions are/could be the issue. Designers would re-calculate the capacity of the foundation using the new codes. Sounds like they think they can accommodate 40, but want to go higher. As we've heard.

I'm not a structural or geotechnical design expert, but that's the way I understand it.

bomberjet · #**466** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:30 PM**

SkyCity and 300 Main will have a huge impact on the skyline. Especially from further back, they will be the highest buildings visible. TNS on the other hand, will sort of blend in to the surroundings from a distance.

rkspec · #**467** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:36 PM**

so whats the chances of a Richardson re-clad?

thats pocket change for him lol

esquire · #**468** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:37 PM**

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so whats the chances of a Richardson re-clad?

No! Richardson is a classic... you leave that nice tower alone.

drew · #**469** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

I would have thought it'd easily be capable of accommodating a 40 storey residential tower... the initial Trizec plan was for a tower of similar height (looks like a 32ish floor office tower around the 400 ft mark in the renderings), but with a far greater footprint. Is the age of the foundation a limiting factor here?

I don't think the vertical load is the limiting factor - it's the strength of the existing core to support the added horizontal forces as you get higher.

So a much more complicated beast to figure out, and reinforce after the fact.

rkspec · #**470** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:40 PM**

all this glass has my head spinning, but i yep, hear ya esquire

Urban recluse · #**471** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:44 PM**

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No! Richardson is a classic... you leave that nice tower alone.

Ha...reclad it; it is depressing. Next, Artis should reclad the Bestlands building.

Urban recluse · #**472** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ You'll just need a wider lens to capture Skycity and 300 Main

Good point though, those two buildings will spread the skyline out nicely. The small clump at P&M will no longer be the focal point of the skyline.

Especially if 300 gets a height increase.

HomeInMyShoes · #**473** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:45 PM**

I actually don't think 360 really needs a re-clad aesthetically. Nor Richardson. It needs a redo on the podium if P&M is going to be opened up to pedestrians, as does the other buildings on that intersection. So much bad design from a street interaction standpoint, but then when you've closed the intersection to pedestrians, what should one realistically expect?

LilZebra · #**474** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by rkspec

so whats the chances of a Richardson re-clad?

Urban recluse · #**475** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:12 PM**

I could see the Richardson receive a recladding such as:

This

http://s84.photobucket.com/user/nop57751...it%20Lyonnais%201970/lyonnais02.jpg.html

To this

http://www.journaldunet.com/management/diaporama/defense-nouvelles-tours/images/opus-12.jpg

Bluenote · #**476** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:13 PM**

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That's encouraging. I get that downtown would probably benefit more from having 5 new 8-storey buildings vs. one 40 storey tower, but since Artis is proceeding with this project I might as well hope it gets built to the tallest height possible for the site.

Not that it matters a whole lot in the grander scheme of things, but I'm assuming that it may not then be the city's tallest if it clocks in at 40 storeys?

Enough mid rise already. Eventually you would fill all the empty prime lots with little buildings. Then what? Will we forever be the city that couldn't? People look at a city by its skyline. Ares isn't that exciting right now. More height also makes more density.

How about the towers in the village. What would have happened with some 8 story cuties? It would not have produced the density it has now.
I understand your exchange district mentality. But let's keep the little buildings in the exchange please.

Urban recluse · #**477** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:15 PM**

Buildings can be added on to, and there are many other buildings which could be replaced with new, taller towers. At this point, we need to fill lots with striking buildings the market can handle.

rkspec · #**478** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

I could see the Richardson receive a recladding such as:

This

To this

wow, that would be something else

Bluenote · #**479** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

I could see the Richardson receive a recladding such as:

This

http://s84.photobucket.com/user/nop57751...it%20Lyonnais%201970/lyonnais02.jpg.html

To this

http://www.journaldunet.com/management/diaporama/defense-nouvelles-tours/images/opus-12.jpg

No thanks. I like it the way it is. It was our first real sky scraper. It reminds me of a mini twin tower to be honest.
And enough black and glass. Eventually you start looking like Vancouver with everything glass. It then takes away from the individuality of each building.

In 20 years all the glass and dark colours would be the same as all the browns and concrete we have now. And we would be at it again. Also think about all the historic buildings that were reclad and now have been brought back to their original self. Reclading at times ends up looking terrible in the long run.

360 is still basically using the same design. Just a colour change.

esquire · #**480** Posted **Apr 8, 2016, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bluenote

No thanks. I like it the way it is. It was our first real sky scraper. It reminds me of a mini twin tower to be honest.
And enough black and glass. Eventually you start looking like Vancouver with everything glass. It then takes away from the individuality of each building.

In 20 years all the glass and dark colours would be the same as all the browns and concrete we have now. And we would be at it again. Also think about all the historic buildings that were reclad and now have been brought back to their original self. Reclading at times ends up looking terrible in the long run.

360 is still basically using the same design. Just a colour change.

Exactly. 360 Main didn't age very well so since they were going to have to replace the skin anyway, it made sense to update it. As far as I'm aware, there are no such problems with the Richardson Building.

We treasure our old building stock, yet if the "reclad everything" mentality had prevailed 60 years ago, hardly any of it would be around in recognizable form.