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Old Posted Apr 2, 2016, 1:23 PM
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Woah, didn't see that coming. I remember back in the early 2000's AS ran some of their own metal here, can't remember if it was SEA or a short lived LAX experiment.
     
     
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Woah, didn't see that coming. I remember back in the early 2000's AS ran some of their own metal here, can't remember if it was SEA or a short lived LAX experiment.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.... The answer is both.

LAX was mainline for two winter seasons in 2005 and 2006. Both years daily on the behemoth 737-900.

SEA was mainline for three winters 2004-2006 supplementing the Horizon schedules. These varied from 737-700s to 737-400s.

SEA was also mainline for one summer in 2005 where two of the three daily flights were mainline - one 739 and one 734.
     
     
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner.... The answer is both.

LAX was mainline for two winter seasons in 2005 and 2006. Both years daily on the behemoth 737-900.

SEA was mainline for three winters 2004-2006 supplementing the Horizon schedules. These varied from 737-700s to 737-400s.

SEA was also mainline for one summer in 2005 where two of the three daily flights were mainline - one 739 and one 734.
AS mainline service to YYC was a short lived expirement around the time I was getting into frequent travel. This was also my first trip on Q400, and the first time I discovered that drinking American beer is something other than horse piss. The free craft brew is a staple of the Horizon service and AS Boardroom.

Unfortunately the AS mainline service was short lived due to the decision by Ws to enter the transborder market and be the big dog on Western Canada transborder.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2016, 7:10 AM
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AS mainline service to YYC was a short lived expirement around the time I was getting into frequent travel. This was also my first trip on Q400, and the first time I discovered that drinking American beer is something other than horse piss. The free craft brew is a staple of the Horizon service and AS Boardroom.

Unfortunately the AS mainline service was short lived due to the decision by Ws to enter the transborder market and be the big dog on Western Canada transborder.
Perhaps this time mainline will stick around a bit longer...

Also DL may be a factor as AS is definitely not backing down with its fight at its home base.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2016, 2:27 PM
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Any potential impact(s) to YYC as a result of Alaska buying Virgin America? Any chance we could see YYC-SFO/LAX on the now larger Alaska Airlines?
     
     
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Any potential impact(s) to YYC as a result of Alaska buying Virgin America? Any chance we could see YYC-SFO/LAX on the now larger Alaska Airlines?
I think the best we could hope for is to have no change to our YYC-SEA flights as a result of the AS/VX merger. During airline mergers, the combined company often spends 18-24 months looking inward. This internal self evaluation and rationalization usually results in a reduction of marginal and/or non-core routes rather than an expansion of the same.

Also its highly doubtful that we would get YYC-SFO/LAX even under better economic conditions because of the gate set up in both US airports will require the combined company to consolidate flights in the short term inorder to co--locate facilities.

In SFO, VX has T2 and AS has T1-A. In the mid term its possible for a swap between with AA and AS, although unknown if AA can be handled in T1-A. Additionally AA has a significant investment in T2 facilities and is unlikely to vacate unless the AS/VX group buys them out.

In LAX, VX has T3 and AS has T6. Consolidating operations at T3 would be preferable from a LAWA (airport authority perspective) in the near term, plus there is insufficient gates for a T6 consolidation. However LAWA is getting approval to move DL into a combined T2-T3 operation, so this would mean that a combined AS/VX would first consolidate at T3 and then move back T5/6 once DL moves over to T2/3. Additionally, AS/VX would bear the brunt of T3 renovation inconvenience while not seeing any of the benefit.

I have a strong suspicion The combined AS/VX group is about to go through a flight and network consolidation exercise. The VX A319s look to be a good candidate for disposal infavour of the 73G. The A320s could be moved onto the SEA transcon markets and out of intra westcoast (this in turn would make the new mainline YYC-SEA and YVR-SEA a short-lived experiment).

Another possibility is the combined group does an RFP for 319/73G replacement. This could be a good chance for CS300 to make a competitive bid it is unlikely Boeing will want to take a significant loss on 73G like with UA just to keep CS100/300 out of the market. Airbus narrowbody sales are very brisk so they too are unlikely to take a huge loss inorder to secure AS as a customer.
     
     
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Thanks for the rundown. I have been of big fan of AS since I was a kid, really hoping they stay.

Interesting that they are flying mainline on SEA-YVR (701/702). The Q's have a shorter block time - wonder if it has to do with time required to board a larger jet or for pulling up to and docking at a jet bridge. I assume flight time would be about the same.


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Interesting that they are flying mainline on SEA-YVR (701/702). The Q's have a shorter block time - wonder if it has to do with time required to board a larger jet or for pulling up to and docking at a jet bridge. I assume flight time would be about the same.]
Flying time is the issue for jets vs turboprops. Noise regulations don't apply the same to turboprops vs jets. The Q400 can depart Yvr runway 06R and immediately turn right for a direct to SEA before it reaches number 3 road. Conversely the 737 will remain on runway heading until after Alex Fraser Bridge. same applies on the SEA arrival and departure.

On longer flights like YYC-YXE, the faster cruise speed of the 737 makes up for in direct routing at departure and arrival.
     
     
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Probably not much interest to most, but its still YYC airport newsworthy.

Garth Atkinson, CEO of Calgary Airport Authority to retire at the end of the year.

http://www.newstalk770.com/2016/04/05/airport-authority-president-ceo-to-retire/

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he head of the Calgary Airport Authority is calling it a career.

President and CEO Garth Atkinson has announced he will be retiring at year’s end after 40 years in the airport business.

Atkinson started here in Calgary in 1992, moving his way up to his current post in 2001.

The Airport Authority says Atkinson will lead the organization through this year, including the opening of the new International Terminal in the fall, while the board of directors will look across the globe, internally and externally, for a potential replacements.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 5:41 PM
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Probably not much interest to most, but its still YYC airport newsworthy.

Garth Atkinson, CEO of Calgary Airport Authority to retire at the end of the year.

http://www.newstalk770.com/2016/04/05/airport-authority-president-ceo-to-retire/
legacy wise, any comments on how YYC's performed? I haven't been on the forum long enough.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 10:38 PM
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Feb Traffic Results

http://www.yyc.com/Portals/0/MEDIA/Media-PassengerStats/br_paxtotal.pdf

Breakdown:

Overall up 3.8%
Domestic up 5.9%
Transborder down 6.5%
International up 11.5%

On the surface looks pretty good... BUT we have to factor in Feb 2016's extra day which is an automatic 3.6% increase. So taking that into consideration Feb 2016 is flat.
International increase due to more sun flying.
Transborder being down about 10% (factoring in the leap day) I guess is expected. Not good. Perhaps we will see further cuts.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2016, 10:39 PM
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Flair to fly for Transat this summer

Flair Airlines is taking over Enerjet's flights to CUN and PVR this summer for Air Transat.

Earlier schedules showed stand alone YYC and YEG to both CUN and PVR on Enerjet.

The latest schedules now show Flair will be operating these flights but combined with YEG. Flair will operate 737-400s.

Saturdays YEG-YYC-PVR
Sundays YEG-YYC-CUN
     
     
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Hmm, so what's Enerjet up to? Rumours were that Flair backed out of New Leaf, if that is true did Enerjet step in?
     
     
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Hmm, so what's Enerjet up to? Rumours were that Flair backed out of New Leaf, if that is true did Enerjet step in?
When New Leaf got the cease and desist order from the CTA requiring New Leaf to stop selling tickets, its likely that Flair backed out of the deal because New Leaf could not pay the lease deposit required to secure the aircraft.

Not securing the aircraft is a common problem for any venture that is looking to lease commercial aircraft. During the last NHL strike, most Canadian Teams lost their sports charters with AC Jetz because they refused to pay their aircraft deposits, consequently when the season started on short notice, most teams were without aircraft, additionally the teams were paying a lot more than the original lease.

Another occurrence was during the 2004 Federal election. The Martin Liberals did not want to pay the standby charge to hold an AC Jetz aircraft. Consequently when the Liberals lost the non-confidence vote, they were without an airplane for the start of the election and had to lease an old 727-200adv for the remainder of the election. The Conservatives and NDP both paid their deposits and were flying across the country soon after the writ was dropped.
     
     
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So what do you think Cage? Has Enerjet perhaps picked up the New Leaf flying?
     
     
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^ The Martin Liberals preferred the 727 (Starjet - an aflliate of CargoJet) - in 2008 was the fuck up. The party had cancelled the contract for the 727, and hadn't firmed up the A319 enough (they had only secured a floor price and right of first refusal option - the NDP scooped the plane by offering more). They ended up with an Air Inuit 737-200 with gravel kit and integrated air stairs. Ignatieff had a 737-400 from Flair Air. Trudeau had a 737-800 from Air Transat.

I think the last time the Liberals used Air Canada was in the 2000 election, if not before that.


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So what do you think Cage? Has Enerjet perhaps picked up the New Leaf flying?
I haven't heard anything from Enerjet, so it's possible that New Leaf has secured them without requiring a deposit. Enerjet has entered into riskier adventures in the past and is generally known for willingness for a risk sharing partnership.

Flair is from the same group that operated Kelowna Flight Craft (KFC), those guys are experienced charter operators and often command a premium simply because they can deliver. KFC learned the ropes of the aircraft charter business from late 90s during the Greyhound Air operation.

The bigger question is whether New Leaf will be able to start operations. My prediction is that they New Leaf business plan is not viable and they will not proceed under their current vision.
     
     
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^ The Martin Liberals preferred the 727 (Starjet - an aflliate of CargoJet) - in 2008 was the fuck up. The party had cancelled the contract for the 727, and hadn't firmed up the A319 enough (they had only secured a floor price and right of first refusal option - the NDP scooped the plane by offering more). They ended up with an Air Inuit 737-200 with gravel kit and integrated air stairs. Ignatieff had a 737-400 from Flair Air. Trudeau had a 737-800 from Air Transat.

I think the last time the Liberals used Air Canada was in the 2000 election, if not before that.
Nice find on the plane porn.

The 2000 federal election - Chretien's last - had the liberals on a short term no deposit contract for an exCP 737-200. AC was still digesting CP at the time and it was the CP side that negotiated the contract with the Liberals. ExAC peeps and Liberals had a constant feud for the entirety of Chretien's tenure as PM and consequently the boys on Cote Vertu wouldn't deal with the Liberals down the road in Ottawa.

The 2004 election Martin's first, and the Liberals continued with their feud with AC, also AC was in bankruptcy and the liberal party needed another scandal like they needed a hole in their heads. Westjet didn't have the capacity for airplane rental on friendly terms to the liberal party, so the party turned to their only airline friend and party bagman, Ajay Virmani. Starjet had the 727 and the party took a little heat for flying an old airplane while talking up a green agenda, but I don,t believe green agenda was high on their list of priorities.

With the Liberals holding a majority, they got to pick the election timing and consequently did not like AC demands for a standby retainer. The Conservatives and NDP, not have control over the exact date of the election, paid for the standby retainer. The liberals tried to get AC to have an airplane available within a short time frame but would not give exact dates.

In 2006 election, the Conservatives and NDP were both in the mindset of defeating the minority Martin government and paid the standby retainer upfront. The Martin liberals wanted a negotiated price, but again did not want to pay the standby retainer that might have gone un-needed if the Layton Dippers switched sides to prop-up the Liberals and block the Harper Conservatives.

Without an airplane, the Liberals made a last ditch effort to force AC to give them an airplane, but the recovering aviation economy and burgeoning jetz charter traffic meant AC had no spare aircraft. In came the Bagman Virmani and his clunker of a 727. The Liberal environment platform was higher priority as a key wedge issue with Conservatives, but the optics backfired on the Liberals.

For the 2008 election, the Dion Liberals faced a very large bill for an AC airplane and twin sisters of dwindling campaign finances and costly leadership campaign. No money in the bank to pay the hefty airplane fees and no desire to go grovelling back to AC. Until the papers hung Dion out to dry for flying in a gas guzzler between environmental stump speeches, I don't think the Liberals knew how bad the optics were. This time the Bagman didn't have a suitable airplane so the Liberals were forced to contract with Air Inuit 737-200.

The 2010 Ignateiff election was a repeat of 2008 (no finances and a steep bill for AC airplane). 7 years of high oil prices meant the Boeing Jurassics were turned into beer cans, so the liberals got saved from the green embarrassment.

However, the inside baseball angle was that the media stories negative of the Liberal airplane choices were a cover for the fact the media universally appreciated the professionalism of the AC flight crew over the moonlighting FAs that were cobbled together for the Liberal aircraft. Had the Liberals been able to contract with WestJet and gotten their professional FA crews, the media would not have been so critical of the campaign airplane choices. The AC flight crews for the political jet charters are handpicked from the International Business cabin staff, and they know how to do their job very well.

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