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bomberjet · #**1381** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 6:30 PM**

It is a bit weird. If you look at the OP, the first render shows this area. It appears there is a lane that goes beneath the parkway (or parkway goes over) to access the additional parking spots for the church. There then looks to be an indoor space to the south of the lane, where the parkway starts dropping back down to grade. A bicycle hub is labeled there on one of the blue bordered renders.

CoryB · #**1382** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

There used to be a church-related building at one point on that site... a school, an office or a residence for clergy, I'm not sure exactly what. It's gone but the land still belongs to the church.

Going way back but one of the two churches near MTS Centre burned down about 30 years back. It ended up being rebuilt on the same site but as a much smaller building. Consider the size of both churches and their appearance of having been there 50+ years it is hard to imagine. I am not sure if the church next to TNS is the one though.

That said, the church near TNS is a Catholic church and the main church for the Winnipeg archdiocese. In church hierarchy it would have similar importance to the St Boniface cathedral which services southeast Manitoba and Winnipeg services the other parts of Manitoba. Due in part to its relative importance to the organization at one time it would have had several priests living and working out of the Church explaining the large-ish garage at the site now. It might even be possible that the church took over a neighbouring business at one time which operated a garage. That said, the access way to the garage that some are calling a lane I believe is actually a private drive way, not unlike the loop outside 201 Portage Ave that David Asper reportedly built to make accessing his parking spot a few seconds quicker.

Andy6 · #**1383** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Going way back but one of the two churches near MTS Centre burned down about 30 years back. It ended up being rebuilt on the same site but as a much smaller building. Consider the size of both churches and their appearance of having been there 50+ years it is hard to imagine. I am not sure if the church next to TNS is the one though.

I don't think you've got that quite right. Both St. Mary's Cathedral and Holy Trinity are 19th century buildings, among the oldest buildings in Winnipeg. The only church downtown to burn down and be replaced was St. Stephen's Broadway, next to the legislature (it's now called something else). Elim Chapel across from U. of W. (the original St. Stephen's, actually) was the victim of arson but it wasn't a total loss and was rebuilt.

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That said, the church near TNS is a Catholic church and the main church for the Winnipeg archdiocese. In church hierarchy it would have similar importance to the St Boniface cathedral which services southeast Manitoba and Winnipeg services the other parts of Manitoba.

They are both cathedrals, yes. Winnipeg is very unusual in having two Roman Catholic cathedrals. The garages are on the site of the old St. Francis Monastery, which stood on Carlton St. just north of the old presbytery on the corner (I think I posted a photo of that earlier in this thread). The presbytery's wrought-iron fence is still there. Where the Delta Hotel is used to be the St. Mary's School and the Sisters of Holy Names convent was next to it on the SE corner of Carlton and St. Mary.

1ajs · #**1384** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 11:32 PM**

what about cavlery temp?

Andy6 · #**1385** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 1:25 AM**

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what about cavlery temp?

That was demolished, except the tower.

bogdog · #**1386** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 2:05 AM**

Andy 6, thanks for the interesting history. One small nit to pick, however. St Stephen's church, which burned down, save for the tower, is at Broadway and Furby. That's not really "next to the Leg".

Andy6 · #**1387** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 2:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by bogdog

Andy 6, thanks for the interesting history. One small nit to pick, however. St Stephen's church, which burned down, save for the tower, is at Broadway and Furby. That's not really "next to the Leg".

Thanks -- that's Young United. St. Stephen's Broadway (now just Broadway, which was its original name as well) is at Broadway and Kennedy.

DonaldSmith · #**1388** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 1:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

Winnipeg is very unusual in having two Roman Catholic cathedrals.

We have three. Only Jerusalem beats us.

1. St Boniface
2. St Mary's
3. Sts. Vladimir & Olga

cheswick · #**1389** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by DonaldSmith

We have three. Only Jerusalem beats us.

1. St Boniface
2. St Mary's
3. Sts. Vladimir & Olga

Sts. Vladimir & Olga is Ukrainian Catholic.

esquire · #**1390** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 2:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

Sts. Vladimir & Olga is Ukrainian Catholic.

Still part of the Catholic church though. Having 3 Catholic cathedrals in one city is very exceptional.

DonaldSmith · #**1391** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Still part of the Catholic church though. Having 3 Catholic cathedrals in one city is very exceptional.

Andy6 did say Roman Catholic, so he is correct. But it is a very exceptional situation.

esquire · #**1392** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 3:37 PM**

^ They're both right, whether you count two Roman Catholic cathedrals or three Catholic cathedrals, it's very rare and exceptional either way.

As I remarked in the Great Canadian Churches thread in the Canada subforum though, it's a little unfortunate that none of the three cathedrals are really very architecturally grandiose... any of them would be small neighbourhood churches in a city like Montreal. The only one that had a really impressive presence (St. Boniface) burned in 1968 and was replaced with something much less grand. But I digress.

cllew · #**1393** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 10:28 PM**

A few more pictures taken before coffee this morning. the pit is getting bigger

Cyro · #**1394** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 4:25 PM**

Thx for all the Updates...

The TNS project has a Cam Updating pics every 20 minutes..Nice addition on their part..

http://www.truenorthsquare.com/development/constructionupdate/

Today 20 min ago..

bomberjet · #**1395** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 4:30 PM**

^Awesome! Thank goodness it's not only monthly updates.

bomberjet · #**1396** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 4:30 PM**

Photo from TNS Twitter feed. This was a Hercules aircraft circling downtown yesterday afternoon. Flying very low on numerous passes. Maybe that's where the photo came from.
https://twitter.com/truenorthsquare/status/715899816035790849

Cyro · #**1397** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 4:33 PM**

^ great news, but this shot is fantastic as well !

robertocarlos · #**1398** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 4:52 PM**

The skywalks are ugly. Maybe they should be underground.

Urban recluse · #**1399** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 5:29 PM**

They are fine; they simply need recladding. That is a great shot; one that will be truly spectacular when the development is finished. I kind of wish the church was gone, and this project bordered St. Mary, too.

esquire · #**1400** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse

They are fine; they simply need recladding. That is a great shot; one that will be truly spectacular when the development is finished. I kind of wish the church was gone, and this project bordered St. Mary, too.

If there's ever a need for TNS phase II, why wouldn't Longboat build it on the many surface lots south of CityPlace instead of buying and knocking down occupied buildings for it? I'm sure that the cathedral is also protected given that it's close to being 150 years old and all.