Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 267

MonctonRad · #**5321** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Poor Detroit.

If you haven't been, give it a go. Just be smart about it...

I saw Detroit once from across the river in Windsor. That was close enough for me..........

mistercorporate · #**5322** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:25 PM**

Our top 5 Canadian city-regions contain a majority of Canada's population and all have professional soccer teams. Heres an article from today:

A random Canadian mens national soccer team qualifier attracts 50,000 sales and only 5000 tickets left with a couple days to go. A sellout is projected. Ticket purchases were limited to people within Canadian postal codes to ensure a complete home crowd advantage. Yeah, Canadians dont care about soccer...

http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2...qualifier-between-canada-and-mexico.html

esquire · #**5323** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Our top 5 Canadian city-regions contain a majority of Canada's population and all have professional soccer teams. Heres an article from today:

A random Canadian mens national soccer team qualifier attracts 50,000 sales and only 5000 tickets left with a couple days to go. A sellout is projected. Ticket purchases were limited to people within Canadian postal codes to ensure a complete home crowd advantage. Yeah, Canadians dont care about soccer...

http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2...qualifier-between-canada-and-mexico.html

Then let those 5 city-regions pay for the World Cup and leave the rest of us out of it.

mistercorporate · #**5324** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Then let those 5 city-regions pay for the World Cup and leave the rest of us out of it.

Those 5 city regions comtribute the vast majority of Canadas taxes so the rest can put up or get back to cow humping.

esquire · #**5325** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Those 5 city regions comtribute the vast majority of Canadas taxes so the rest can put up or get back to cow humping.

What is Calgary's pro soccer team anyway? Or did you really mean Canada's top 4 city-regions?

mistercorporate · #**5326** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

What is Calgary's pro soccer team anyway? Or did you really mean Canada's top 4 city-regions?

It was a response to a post in the sports thread, put it here by accident. Someone was saying that Canada doesnt care about soccer since only 5 of the 20 largest cities have pro teams. Anyway, Ottawa/Calgary/Edmonton are in the same population category.

esquire · #**5327** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

It was a response to a post in the sports thread, put it here by accident. Someone was saying that Canada doesnt care about soccer since only 5 of the 20 largest cities have pro teams. Anyway, Ottawa/Calgary/Edmonton are in the same population category.

Only having 5 of the largest 20 cities with pro soccer teams (and only 3 of those in the top flight) is downright pathetic. Is there another country besides maybe some isolated island in the middle of an ocean that is any worse than us?

Personally I'd love to see a domestic soccer league... I would buy tickets for sure and it would get me excited about soccer. But the fact that there isn't one speaks volumes.

mistercorporate · #**5328** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Only having 5 of the largest 20 cities with pro soccer teams (and only 3 of those in the top flight) is downright pathetic. Is there another country besides maybe some isolated island in the middle of an ocean that is any worse than us?

Personally I'd love to see a domestic soccer league... I would buy tickets for sure and it would get me excited about soccer. But the fact that there isn't one speaks volumes.

Official announcement about the Canadian Premier League coming June 2016, to begin play 2017:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Premier_League

esquire · #**5329** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:50 PM**

^ That would be great and a big step forward for soccer in Canada.

mistercorporate · #**5330** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ That would be great and a big step forward for soccer in Canada.

The best part is they will all be eligible to play in the Canadian Championship, so they will play against all the Canadian MLS teams too and can qualify for the CONCACAF Champions League, playing the best teams in N.America. And if they do well who knows, against teams like Juventus, Chelsea, Barcelona, Santos in the Club World Cup.

esquire · #**5331** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by mistercorporate

The best part is they will all be eligible to play in the Canadian Championship, so they will play against all the Canadian MLS teams too and can qualify for the CONCACAF Champions League, playing the best teams in N.America. And if they do well who knows, against teams like Juventus, Chelsea, Barcelona, Santos in the Club World Cup.

Look out Arsenal, here comes Winnipeg to stick a boot in yer ass

mistercorporate · #**5332** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 4:11 PM**

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Look out Arsenal, here comes Winnipeg to stick a boot in yer ass

Anything can happen in sports, this year Leicester City went from being perpetually in the relegation zone to chewing up the Premier League. In 2004 FC Porto went from a cheapskate low budget (as in Ottawa Fury low) team to winning the UEFA Champions League. The same year that Montreal Impact was at the very bottom of the MLS standings with one of the leagues lowest budgets, they won knockout match after knockout match and went to the Champions League finals. They played in front of 100,000 fans at the Estadio Azteca, epic stuff.

esquire · #**5333** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 4:15 PM**

^ That is one of my favourite things about soccer... I love the fact that teams can work their way up and play with the big boys. Such a contrast to North American sports where you have fat, indolent and lazy entities (hello Leafs and Oilers) who seem to exist these days for no other reason than to soak up fan money without ever accomplishing anything.

HomeInMyShoes · #**5334** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 4:33 PM**

^That's one of the bigger stumbling blocks we have in Canada. Our mindset needs to change with respect to what professional versus amateur is.

Another big hurdle in Canada is travel time and costs in order to play games. Southern Ontario and Toronto could have their own leagues really given the population density, but out West it is going to be ugly. When you're closest rival is 2 hours a way (for Calgary/Edmonton and Regina/Saskatoon.) Otherwise you're talking significant costs or time commitments to play elsewhere.

mistercorporate · #**5335** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

^That's one of the bigger stumbling blocks we have in Canada. Our mindset needs to change with respect to what professional versus amateur is.

Another big hurdle in Canada is travel time and costs in order to play games. Southern Ontario and Toronto could have their own leagues really given the population density, but out West it is going to be ugly. When you're closest rival is 2 hours a way (for Calgary/Edmonton and Regina/Saskatoon.) Otherwise you're talking significant costs or time commitments to play elsewhere.

There will be a salary cap and soccer teams generally have their catchment area for homegrown players balanced to allow for greater parity. For example, Hamilton would get a discount on its salary cap for any players they sign who live within a 50 km radius, while Regina would have a discount on players from the entire province, to balance things out. A Toronto team would be competing with TFC for local player comtracts so it balances things out there as well.

Once people "get" and enjoy soccer culture with exposure, the further development of lower level leagues will come.

Iceland, which has about 300,000 prople or so has a 12 team professional league (a pretty good one too, theyve beaten World Cup teams) and 5 levels on their pyramid (5 soccer leagues in an icy island with 300,000 people)!

tomthumb2 · #**5336** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 4:57 PM**

I don't think Canada will ever host the World Cup but I could see a joint bid with the US with our cities being Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal.

Nathan · #**5337** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by tomthumb2

I don't think Canada will ever host the World Cup but I could see a joint bid with the US with our cities being Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal.

Why would they feel the need to share it? They have more than enough stadiums on their own

In fact, they'd have enough stadiums for the official tournament and for each participating country to use a separate 50k+ stadium as a practice/base ground...

tomthumb2 · #**5338** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Why would they feel the need to share it? They have more than enough stadiums on their own

In fact, they'd have enough stadiums for the official tournament and for each participating country to use a separate 50k+ stadium as a practice/base ground...

I guess I should have said "if we were bidding for it". If the US was, of course they'd just host the entire thing - what would they need us for. Then again, if Trump gets in maybe we can host the Mexico matches.

Nathan · #**5339** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by tomthumb2

I guess I should have said "if we were bidding for it". If the US was, of course they'd just host the entire thing - what would they need us for. Then again, if Trump gets in maybe we can host the Mexico matches.

I'd we were bidding, but only had 4 of the 12 stadiums, would we be treated as the main bidding country though? And the US would have much larger stadiums available by default for the final matches... So I could very quickly see us being bumped down further and further until it's basically just the US hosting.

The only option for Canada - if we really want to host the WC - is to go it alone, but government support for a future bid is probably going to be doubtful at best for the next 10-20 years, so given the lead time, the closest we'd host is probably the 2040s...

tomthumb2 · #**5340** Posted **Mar 23, 2016, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I'd we were bidding, but only had 4 of the 12 stadiums, would we be treated as the main bidding country though? And the US would have much larger stadiums available by default for the final matches... So I could very quickly see us being bumped down further and further until it's basically just the US hosting.

The only option for Canada - if we really want to host the WC - is to go it alone, but government support for a future bid is probably going to be doubtful at best for the next 10-20 years, so given the lead time, the closest we'd host is probably the 2040s...

Good point - I didn't know that 12 stadiums were needed - I thought the minimum was 8. Regardless - not sure we'll see a WC here in our lifetime, I think it's more expensive than the Olympics isn't it?