PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by Arch+Eng

Annex Delco and make Far South West

I'd cede Delco as far as Darby Creek.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by 1487

I can't say that overhead wires falls in the top 20 complaints I've heard from Philly residents- in fact this may the first time Ive come across anyone who believes this is one of the city's biggest flaws.....

Your comprehension skills are subterranean.

Who said they were the city's biggest problem?

We've all basically said it's a nuissance issue that needs to be addressed.

And maybe you've never heard people complain about it because until recently, wealthy people (who pay a sh*t ton of taxes) haven't resided in these parts of the city. Now that they do, they are allowed to voice their concern.

And don't tell me the city should do x,y, and z before it does this. As a childless mid-career professional who pays almost $7,000 a year in wage taxes to the city in addition to another $2400 in property taxes and consumes almost no services, I am perfectly entitled to make some requests every now and again. It would be in the city's best interest to accomodate them in order to attract more.

And yes, when you are looking at an $800K house in Northern Liberties and you look out the windows and all you see is a jungle of overhead wires ten feet from your face, one can fairly make the claim it's an eyesore.

[jjv007]

Idk why I can't locate it from the links but can someone let me know what the community college development they all are seeing is?
Also, in regards to the city population I don't think that it matters too much just because the square area of different propers vary so much. I do think, however, that metro population (MSA) is important and that the reach of Philly's MSA needs to be expanded significantly.

[Outta here]

Originally Posted by summersm343

What? Lol. I didn't say there was no demand... I said Philadelphia was slow growth compared to other cities. There is still demand here, but if we were faster growing, the Schuylkill yards would be built out in 7 years instead of 20.

I don't know if I missed your point or you missed mine .
There is a — load of evidence to confirm your statement regarding " slow growth " with regards to Philly .

Without developing a migraine about the cause , I fail to see the wisdom in shooting some eight buildings up out of the ground to
heights that could surpass 700 to 1100 ' over almost any period of time ( including the next 20 plus years ) ..... IF there is little or
no demand .

Obviously , if we were faster growing there would be call for a lot of development that doesn't call for something like a 20 year build
out ......... and obviously , if elephants could fly , we'd all be in a world of — .....

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by jjv007

Idk why I can't locate it from the links but can someone let me know what the community college development they all are seeing is?
Also, in regards to the city population I don't think that it matters too much just because the square area of different propers vary so much. I do think, however, that metro population (MSA) is important and that the reach of Philly's MSA needs to be expanded significantly.

Nothing exact yet, just a rezoning of the entire block.

I heard from sources it will be "tall" and a mix of housing and academic and likely ground floor retail. Not sure if housing means student housing or luxury market rate apartments.

[jjv007]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Nothing exact yet, just a rezoning of the entire block.

I heard from sources it will be "tall" and a mix of housing and academic and likely ground floor retail. Not sure if housing means student housing or luxury market rate apartments.

[cafeguy]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Nothing exact yet, just a rezoning of the entire block.

I heard from sources it will be "tall" and a mix of housing and academic and likely ground floor retail. Not sure if housing means student housing or luxury market rate apartments.

Both types of housing seems out of scope for a community college right?

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by cafeguy

Both types of housing seems out of scope for a community college right?

Yes. It's possible they need additional academic space, and decided to partner with a developer on luxury apartments to provide additional income to the community college?? Not entirely sure.

Maybe CCP owns the land and are allowing a developer to building on the land similar to Penn and Drexel?

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I literally said none of this. I'm more excited about Philly's future than I have every been, and I'm putting my money where my mouth is. Even though I work in NYC and split my time between NYC and Philly, I own two properties in Philly. One is a house in NoLibs that I completely renovated over the course of ten years and another is a house in Germantown that I settle on in 2 weeks with the goal of doing the same thing.

But what is amazing, is your tolerance of mediocrity.

You know how most people make things better?

By setting their expectations higher.

We're not asking for miracles and gold paved streets. Just some additional services that would entice more tax payers to you know, continue moving in to pay more taxes.

My NYC apt is in a tertiary Brooklyn neighborhood that is very middle of the road in terms of NYC, and even Brooklyn. And gasp. It has 2X weekly street cleaning and underground wires.

We're not asking for a lot here. Give me a break.

In Philly I'd take once a month week street cleaning and a 15 year plan to start burying all the wires between Washington and Cecil B Moore.

ftfy

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

And we shouldn't want it to happen. The city should feel like a city with high density, energy, walk-ability, outdoor art, landmarks and public institutions, etc. Doctoring up the population numbers by including the "suburbs" is really all that is. It won't make the city feel more like a city. A sprawling city traverse by major state roads and/or highways is kinda of an oxymoron.

There are other benefits to having Philly, Delco, Montco, and Bucks under a unified government.

The biggest: A unified metropolitan school district.

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

I take back what I said. It looks like this will leave the large lot along 16th, as well as the existing garage at 15th & Callowhill. Looks like demo of an existing low rise and taking out a small lot at 15th & Hamilton.

IIRC Blatstein owns the parking lots lining 16th between SG and Callowhill. They would have been developed as part of his Provence casino proposal. I think the CCP property is just the dinky little industrial building at 15th and Hamilton.

Shouldn't be very many issues with that. One noteworthy one is to make sure that easement it borders (the old City Branch) stays clear for future use.

[boxbot]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

IIRC Blatstein owns the parking lots lining 16th between SG and Callowhill. They would have been developed as part of his Provence casino proposal. I think the CCP property is just the dinky little industrial building at 15th and Hamilton.

Here's the footprint for Bart's thing. Hopefully the Community College can develop a rooftop village.

[allovertown]

All this talk about burying power lines. .. where will we throw our sneakers?

[shadowbat2]

Sure-kill skyline
005 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

007 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

008 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

[Jawnadelphia]

^^^Great shots.

If I'm counting correctly, CHOP is at the 18th floor for steel. So 5 more to go, plus a very large crown. FMC looks to have started the 37th floor, 12 more to go plus another large crown. And One Riverside i think is now on the 8th floor, so 14 more to go.

And all will be topped out in the next few months ... crazy. I know each building/location has different circumstances - but it's amazing how fast the Schuylkill's towers are rising compared to other projects. If someone hasn't been in that area for a few years and drives by ...they must be stunned.

[Philly-Drew]

Originally Posted by shadowbat2

Sure-kill skyline

008 by tehshadowbat, on Flickr

Great angle shadowbat. When CITC gets lit up, this angle should be amazing!

[summersm343]

Great photos Shadowbat!

[summersm343]

Broad and Spring Garden - 14 floors

Still early, but it's supposedly moving forward.

"Up to 42,000 SF of retail and office space proposed for Penn State University, with as many as 165 residential units above."

[TempleGuy1000]

^That is awesome if it comes to fruition. North Broad truly is making a come back. Trying to picture the angle in my head.. It looks like the block that is highlighted green is the one with the Subway and Goodyear. Are they doing something to it? I am having trouble picturing the position of the building. It looks like Mural Lofts apartments behind it?

[summersm343]

^^It's looking South towards Center City. Mural Lofts is to the left of it. This will sit right on the corner of Broad and Spring Garden next to that. Notice they're going to build the building around a public plaza/green space that will allow people to still view the mural.