St. Paul's Hospital & Health Campus | U/C

[PaperTiger]

Originally Posted by Pinion

Didn't Party Bazaar just relocate there from 2nd ave/SEFC?

And I think the days of junk food expansion are over in Vancouver. Unless it's a little more upscale like Five Guys.

They did about 2-3 years ago. They are on a rolling lease with I think a six month Demo clause.

The site needs rezoning so they won't be booted right away. In the meantime they have a much higher profile and larger space than they could likely afford elsewhere with a more stable lease agreement.

Their tenant improvements are minimal. (Aside from a bunch of red paint).

Makes a lot of sense IMO

[BodomReaper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Uh huh, an option Chrusty explicitly ruled out when she committed to a redevelopment of the existing site right before the last election. Coincidentally an announcement made in an NDP riding held by a vociferous and effective critic of the BC Fibs. That woman is the worst kind of political opportunist and a disastrous premier.

Well I think we discovered who posts in the comments section of news sites.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

They did about 2-3 years ago. They are on a rolling lease with I think a six month Demo clause.

The site needs rezoning so they won't be booted right away. In the meantime they have a much higher profile and larger space than they could likely afford elsewhere with a more stable lease agreement.

Their tenant improvements are minimal. (Aside from a bunch of red paint).

Makes a lot of sense IMO

I recall reading about a tentative plan for a mid-sized office tower on that site (comparable to those in the vicinity), though the rendering was little more than a slapped-together sketch-up model.

I did note that phase 2 of the 'Containers' office project is proceeding to excavation. That's a good sign for this part of the city and I could see this higher-quality building being positioned towards medical-dental now that St. Paul's relocation has been announced. The two aren't all that well connected, but it's in the vicinity and the building will be the nicest of the lot in that area.

I'm actually quite amazed how much Terminal Avenue has filled in over the last decade or so. Not all of it is particularly job-dense, but it's a whole lot better than vacant lots and the office space does add up to a pretty substantial tertiary cluster that's within walking distance of SkyTrain. It's also been interesting to see how the office component has become a hub for private credential-focused education (career colleges). That's a tenant type that needs space that is cheap (generally Class B or even C office space), that is transit-accessible and car-friendly, in central-enough locations that people can reasonably take classes at night after finishing their other jobs. I suspect daytime office users are 'full-time' students while the evening users are 'part time' and a location that supports both is important. Plus, sites that could be considered marginal for attracting businesses due to their location of the periphery of an employment area and lack of street-level retail and services, are perfectly fine for private colleges. I wonder, though, whether the more tired buildings will be renovated and repositioned as medical-office buildings when the new St. Paul's opens up?

[jlousa]

Moving forward. Don't have the time tonight to dissect the document for you guys but perhaps one of the other members can cut and paste the more interesting details from the file.

http://former.vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20160120/documents/pspc4.pdf

[WarrenC12]

Thanks for posting. So Providence Health is footing the $810k bill for this work.

Providence indicates that the business plan for the new hospital and health
campus will be completed in 2016 and, after approval by the BC Government, tendering will
proceed. It should be noted that parts or all of this project could be delivered through a
public-private partnership (P3) procurement model. Current estimates are that construction
of the new hospital and health campus may commence in 2018, with project completion
estimated for 2023.

This is a far more realistic timeline from my experience and what insiders have said about this project, assuming all goes as planned.

Initial Project size:

Preliminary investigations suggest it would be prudent to consider an integrated campus of
1.3 to 1.5 million sq. ft. at this time and work on the clinical plan is expected to provide the
detailed information and the data for further decisions.

Public Art:

The Public Art Policy for Rezoned Developments requires rezonings having a floor area of
9,290.0 m2 (100,000 sq. ft.) or greater to allocate a portion of their construction budgets to
public art as a condition of rezoning. Public art budgets are based on a formula (2015) of
$1.81 sq. ft./19.48 m2. The Public Art rate is subject to Council approval of periodic
adjustments to address inflation.
Providence Lands (St Paul’s Hospital) Policy Planning Program - RTS 11071 15
The new Public Art Policy adopted by Council on July 23, 2014 applies to this site. As a result,
a Civic Program Contribution of 10 per cent of the proposed public art budget is to be
attributed towards the Public Art Program.

$2.7M on public art at 1.5M square feet. To put this in the context of healthcare, that's about 1.3 state of the art MRI machines.

[nefc]

Here's an article from the Globe discussing the integration of the hospital into the neighbourhood: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/brit...de-focus-on-integration/article28253396/

[officedweller]

Email received today:

The City has launched a policy planning program that will guide the redevelopment of the new St. Paul’s Hospital and health campus site on Station Street.

Come to an open house and help us explore emerging principles for open spaces, mobility and connections, site planning and design, and sustainability:

Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 4:30-7:30 pm
Creekside Community Recreation Centre, 1 Athletes Way
Multipurpose Room 2

Note: This open house and planning program will focus on the new St. Paul’s site only. The current St. Paul’s site on Burrard Street will be discussed through a future planning process.

A questionnaire will be available (both at the event and online) from March 8th to March 20th.

If you would like to stay informed on policy planning for the new St. Paul’s Health Campus, please sign up for the newsletter at vancouver.ca/newstpauls

For more information on policy planning:

vancouver.ca/newstpauls
[email protected] or phone 3-1-1

For more information on health programs and services:
Providence Health Care is concurrently developing a clinical plan to guide the programs and services that will be established at the new St. Paul’s health campus. To be a part of discussions and learn more, visit thenewstpauls.ca

Note that there's still room for the Malkin Connector if they demolish all or a corner of the food warehouse:


http://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/new-st-pauls.aspx

[domusile]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Email received today:



Note that there's still room for the Malkin Connector if they demolish all or a corner of the food warehouse:


http://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/new-st-pauls.aspx

The food warehouse that isn't highlighted in the NE corner is privately owned and sold for $36M

[djh]

Originally Posted by domusile

The food warehouse that isn't highlighted in the NE corner is privately owned and sold for $36M

Sold to another private organisation, or was it sold to Providence to be absorbed as part of the St. Paul's site?

[officedweller]

Hopefully options for the Malkin Connector don't get eliminated...

[domusile]

Originally Posted by djh

Sold to another private organisation, or was it sold to Providence to be absorbed as part of the St. Paul's site?

Developer

[jlousa]

Reminder that the openhouse is tonight at creekside community centre. See you guys there.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Reminder that the openhouse is tonight at creekside community centre. See you guys there.

Take some pics please. I'm triple booked tonight.

[Metro-One]

Someone please go there for me! I hope there is still a plan for the connector!

[WarrenC12]

I wasn't at the meeting yesterday but the boards are online now:

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/new-st-pauls-open-house-providence-display-boards-mar-8.pdf

I don't even see any preliminary maps. Was this all that was presented?

[Smooth]

I stopped by briefly to check it out. The presentation boards didn't really reveal anything new. The main purpose of this open house was to get public feedback on the City's design principles for the healthcare campus. Basically the boards just had all the planning buzz-words that the City wants to see incorporated into the design (i.e. sustainable, accessible, etc.) and asked people if they supported these things in the design.

The most popular boards were the ones discussing the viaduct removal and people were asking how that would work with the hospital going in to the neighbourhood.

Some of the boards directed people to check out the following website for more information:
http://thenewstpauls.com/

There is a rendering and video on the above website but I don't think they are new:
http://thenewstpauls.ca/news-updates/media-gallery/

[jlousa]

Didn't take pics. There were more boards then the 4 linked to here. But not much we didn't already know. The only newish details were that Phase 1 is scheduled to be opened by 2023, so thats pretty quick. The other thing they kept pressing is that people would be getting great bang for their buck as Provendence would be spending $700M of their own money on the new hospital with funds coming from selling properties... they wouldn't comment when I asked if that meant St Josephs would be sold as well.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Didn't take pics. There were more boards then the 4 linked to here. But not much we didn't already know. The only newish details were that Phase 1 is scheduled to be opened by 2023, so thats pretty quick. The other thing they kept pressing is that people would be getting great bang for their buck as Provendence would be spending $700M of their own money on the new hospital with funds coming from selling properties... they wouldn't comment when I asked if that meant St Josephs would be sold as well.

I take it Phase 1 is the "new St. Pauls" and future phases are the rest of the medical campus?

This project will easily be 5 years from groundbreaking, so I guess that means 2017-2018 starting point.

[jlousa]

Here are the rest of the open house boards for those interested.

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/new-st-pauls-open-house-presentation-boards-mar-8-2016.pdf

[WarrenC12]

Thanks jlousa. The east end of the viaducts will turn into some very valuable land with this development.

A few things I saw:
- There is a dreaded viewcone impacting this site, looks like about 12-15 stories would be the max for this facility. Should be plenty given the amount of land.
- Is there any issue with building underground parking on the flats? Is the water table a problem?
- "Wellness Link" through the campus and towards parks to the east should provide another nice walking/cycling path