PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[GarCastle]

In case it helps with the timeline guessing for the S-Yards plan.

Penn leases the majority of 3001 and 3101 Market. We can't move out of there until the 3600 (I think that's the address) Civic Center Boulevard building gets built which is now slated for a 2018 completion. So Drexel wouldn't be able to add a floor to 3001 until they clear out at least the top floor I would think. I'm not sure what the leases are like for anyone else in 3001/3101 like Pennoni/etc.

It would take a while to plan out work anyway so that 2018 hurdle may not be much of a consideration, just thought it should be mentioned. For all I know, maybe we'll be stuck in some other building for a year. No-one is looking forward to 3600 CC Blvd since Septa has halved its trains at University City during key times.

Cheers,
G.

[Milksteak]

Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan

This probably isn't the final product, but here is what the proposed 30th Street District Plan looks like so far...

Wow...this would forever change your classic Philadelphia skyline pictures. It's kind of like Manhattan's Midtown and Downtown with low rises in between, although I would assume by the time this comes to fruition there will be much more infill on the east side of the Schuykill. Very cool.

[SJPhillyBoy]

Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan

This probably isn't the final product, but here is what the proposed 30th Street District Plan looks like so far...

I do believe over time this will eventually happen. It is basically another Center City across the river.

[Outta here]

Originally Posted by Milksteak

Wow...this would forever change your classic Philadelphia skyline pictures. It's kind of like Manhattan's Midtown and Downtown with low rises in between, although I would assume by the time this comes to fruition there will be much more infill on the east side of the Schuykill. Very cool.

I wouldn't get too ramped up about this project . The 3rd. quarter 2040 is still some 25 years down the pipe line . Personally , I plan
on being dust in the wind by then . For those of you who might still be living , working , playing in MSA , many more plans will
come and go before then .
The idea of having some 8 or 10 high rise/sky scraper/ super tall towers expanding the center city skyline west , east or in any
direction is certainly appetizing but I for one am more interested in the justification for growing 950' / 1200' monoliths without the
concrete knowledge of being able to fill said expansion with permanent well paying career positions .

Do not mis understand my comment ....... Hopefully this project will become something more than another ACC , which occupied a
large portion of this thread for the best part of three years only to wind up in the canceled bind . There are any number of prime
locations between " 8th.& MARKET " ..... and 34th. & Vine that could use some fill-in of almost any height ..... but , 2040 is still
a long ways off ..... — can happen , and probably will .

[apetrella802]

Originally Posted by Milksteak

Wow...this would forever change your classic Philadelphia skyline pictures. It's kind of like Manhattan's Midtown and Downtown with low rises in between, although I would assume by the time this comes to fruition there will be much more infill on the east side of the Schuykill. Very cool.

You might know that the gap in high rises between midtown and downtown in Manhattan is because the bedrock is much much deeper in that are(200 feet?)

[Eigenwelt]

Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

Interesting that this shows the Riverwalk development. Brandywine has included it in several thing now. I wonder if they know that the developer of that site is really committed to building it. I sure hope so.

Riverwalk is also in this image I snagged from the SOM website. The rough build out over the rail yards is fairly similar in both images. Also if you look closely, the ghost massings on the right are in the right places and the right approximate heights for the 725' version of Cira 2 and the Schuylkill Yards towers.

[Milksteak]

Originally Posted by apetrella802

You might know that the gap in high rises between midtown and downtown in Manhattan is because the bedrock is much much deeper in that are(200 feet?)

I have heard that, although I must be honest I didn't take it into account when posting this. Either way, this is a game changer...and a boy can dream that it actually happens.

[br323206]

Originally Posted by apetrella802

You might know that the gap in high rises between midtown and downtown in Manhattan is because the bedrock is much much deeper in that are(200 feet?)

Not true actually. That was the long-held belief but new research has proven it false.

http://observer.com/2012/01/uncanny-vall...-skyscrapers-in-the-middle-of-manhattan/

[MikeNigh]

The only complaint I have about the 30th street plan is I know they are going to make the roads 5+ lanes wide, with lanes for parking, and the side walks are probably going to be 2 small lanes themselves. It'll end up being a micro houston district and will instead take buildings from center city that would have actually contributed to the culture of the city.

[Arch+Eng]

It is going to be very interesting to see the CSX line going through rows of skyscrapers. I wish they continued the capping all the way to 34th street.

And does anyone else hate Penn Park? Cap that — too!

[McBane]

Originally Posted by MikeNigh

The only complaint I have about the 30th street plan is I know they are going to make the roads 5+ lanes wide, with lanes for parking, and the side walks are probably going to be 2 small lanes themselves. It'll end up being a micro houston district and will instead take buildings from center city that would have actually contributed to the culture of the city.

I wouldn't read too much into the specifics. By 2040, who knows what the future of transit will look like. Or if WWIII sets off a nuclear catastrophe that wipes out the human race.

[Outta here]

Originally Posted by br323206

Not true actually. That was the long-held belief but new research has proven it false.

http://observer.com/2012/01/uncanny-vall...-skyscrapers-in-the-middle-of-manhattan/

A lot of us knew about the bed rock platform in Manhattan , but that is still one hell of a great find , thanks .

.......... Now , anyone know what the bed rock platform looks like in Philly ?
It would be interesting to see and have a relatively decent idea as to , where and to what extent , buildings of
substancial height might become a reality .

I mention this because , a few years back , I read somewhere that a big portion of the city was built on ash
dump sites and swampland that was later filled in and built upon . It's obvious that isn't the case for most of
center city but , investors , engineers , developers and alike surely have access to geological data and where
skylines can rise to impressive heights ....... So once again , anyone know what the bed rock platform looks
like in Philly ...............

[gjrip]

Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan

This probably isn't the final product, but here is what the proposed 30th Street District Plan looks like so far...

Any chance they're "in the know" about a CITC height bump? Sure looks like it.

[summersm343]

New thread - Cambria Hotel

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7362020&posted=1#post7362020

[mja]

Originally Posted by gjrip

Any chance they're "in the know" about a CITC height bump? Sure looks like it.

Ha. I don't know if it really means anything, but good catch!

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by summersm343

New thread - Cambria Hotel

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7362020&posted=1#post7362020

Thanks! Please tag so that it appears in the Phila. list.

[summersm343]

Penn Capital Management leases space at Navy Yard's 1200 Intrepid Ave.

Penn Capital Management Co. has agreed to lease 26,000 square feet at the 1200 Intrepid Avenue office building now under construction at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, according to developer Liberty Property Trust.

Penn Capital will expand in the summer from a smaller space at another Navy Yard office building to 1200 Intrepid, designed by Denmark's Bjarke Ingels Group, Liberty said in a statement on Monday.

The investment management firm's lease at 1200 Intrepid is the first to be announced at the 92,000-square-foot, four-story building, which Liberty began building in June. It is the company's 14th building at the Navy Yard.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/business/re...0_Intrepid_Ave_.html#g8Mc3iCmFhWAMo2C.99

[1487]

good news there

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by br323206

Not true actually. That was the long-held belief but new research has proven it false.

http://observer.com/2012/01/uncanny-vall...-skyscrapers-in-the-middle-of-manhattan/

Exactly. Not true.

The gap is because the area between the Financial District and Mid-town is chock full of super affluent neighborhoods that are not zoned for it. (i.e. Tribeca, Soho, West Village, Greenwich Village, Chelsea, Gramercy, etc). And I can assure you that the uber wealthy people who are paying $3,000-$5,000 a square foot for their homes and apartments will not allow it for the foreseeable future. The only places where I could potentially see upzoning allowed would be the far west and east sides (Hudson Yards and the East River) and pockets around Union Square and the area they're calling "NoMad" (north of Madison Square Park).

And the fact is, as much as the mega-tall development in the Financial District and Midtown/Times Square is a signature of those areas, the LACK of height is a signature of everywhere in between. New Yorkers are absolutely enamored with their low rise neighborhoods in Manhattan. As they should be. They're decidedly more pleasant than the rest of the island.

[PhilliesPhan]

Originally Posted by gjrip

Any chance they're "in the know" about a CITC height bump? Sure looks like it.

I've been wondering the same thing! The roof height of CITC looks to be above that of Comcast Center.