YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Orcair

The 350s are really starting to ramp up which is good news, especially now that Singapore has their first 359 as of this week!

Cool! Interesting that they are flying the A350 first to AMS and DUS. It looks like a great plane, but am I the only one thinking that the Singapore Airlines color scheme looks a bit too retro?


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[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Cool! Interesting that they are flying the A350 first to AMS and DUS. It looks like a great plane, but am I the only one thinking that the Singapore Airlines color scheme looks a bit too retro?

I fly them a lot. Definitely for international travel out of MEL anyway.

Interesting comment.... The actual logo has held its own but I think you are right.... Maybe it's time for a minor adjustment. I bet with just a few subtle tweaks here and there they could really have an impressive livery again.

Still an impressive sight seeing all the SQ planes with the Silver Kris logo all lined up!

[Johnny Aussie]

Literally just a minute ago saw an ad by Flight Centre promoting travel to Vancouver on Air Canada's new upcoming Brisbane - Vancouver service....

$2,079 including 4 nights 3-Star all in.

Not bad! Beware for a new flood of Aussies Vancouver!

Some very impressive video footage of Vancouver - an amazing city skyline pan shot with the North Shore Mountains, Capilano Bridge, North Shore hiking, Grouse Mountain Skyride, cycling the Seawall in Stanley Park.

OK... homesick again...

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Aviation related: on my recent trip I was reading WSJ and was surprised to learn that apparently the A330 series is currently a best-seller for Airbus and demand for them is much larger than Airbus is able to respond to. That was somehow surprising to me, as I have considered A330 being an older plane, but then again I took note how many A330's there were on HKG and TPE tarmacs.

A340's seem to be getting fewer and fewer quickly and A350's are slow to make an appearance.

What is also a very exciting plane going forward will be the new Boeing 777X. Damn, that plane looks just sweet and Boeing seems to be leading the game with Airbus playing constantly catch with them.

Airbus has been playing catch-up since they embarked on the A380, which was more or less a vanity product. I think Airbus KNEW the A380 had a HIGH risk factor but got so enamoured with building the biggest and shiniest toy that they forgot that they had to turn a profit as well... or just ask taxpayers for more $$$.

The A380 did do one thing, though. It elevated the general Airbus image, so it's not all bad.

And Boeing took on quite a bit of risk with the 787 as well, but it appears to have paid off. For consumers, the 787 is easily the best plane to fly on out there.

We'll see about the A350XWB. It should compete, but it still relies on tried and true technologies. The 787 is really a large leap in aviation technology. Like any new technology, it has had teething problems, but the 777X and 747-8 have both REALLY benefited from these teething problems.

The A350XWB seems like a tweener plane. It's essentially built on the A330 to compete while Airbus decides if/when it wants to go with the all-electric route Boeing has gone with. I think they're taking a wait and see approach.

Boeing's 787 could blow up in their faces... literally... but they've been fortunate in being quick to solve problems ( even though that means grounding the fleet for a year to fix the battery problems ).

Either way, it's nice to have choice as a consumer. Now if only Bombardier could step up to the plate...

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Hmmmmm.... How about SQ launch SIN-YVR-MIA!?

It's only an extra 220 miles detour.

Don't tease! I miss the days of SG being my main airline, what a different expectation of service.

If Van keeps growing its economy the way it has been the last 18 months, and the way it is projected to grow the the next 4 years, I can't see SG ignoring YVR for too much longer. I don't know the O&D figures, but they made it work for 20 years flying to a much smaller, less affluent Vancouver on less efficient planes. With the A350 it seems like it could be a viable market for them once again.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Don't tease! I miss the days of SG being my main airline, what a different expectation of service.

If Van keeps growing its economy the way it has been the last 18 months, and the way it is projected to grow the the next 4 years, I can't see SG ignoring YVR for too much longer. I don't know the O&D figures, but they made it work for 20 years flying to a much smaller, less affluent Vancouver on less efficient planes. With the A350 it seems like it could be a viable market for them once again.

It still is my main airline 😜

The conundrum with the likes of the A350 and B787... These types of planes make longer thinner routes from YVR certainly more viable. But it's a double edged sword right? These types of long range equipment also make other longer thinner routes viable.... Hence the discussion about MIA-Asia for example.

However!! Before anybody spirals into a doom and gloom scenario.... So far these have actually benefitted YVR and there really is no indication this will be a detriment to YVR. The growing Asia pie just keeps getting larger all the time and YVR is well positioned to steal a big piece of that pie... Just going to have to learn to share that pie!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

SQ bringing back NYC (being vague as unsure if it will be EWR or JFK) and LAX are pretty much a sure thing.

Hmmmmm.... How about SQ launch SIN-YVR-MIA!?

It's only an extra 220 miles detour.

Are they even allowed for service that not terminating in Canada?

I read this somewhere, for Taiwan, the bilateral limit those 21x weekly so it cannot fly anywhere beyond Canada. Therefore route like TPE-YVR-MIA is not allowed. However, there is no restriction if the flight is via a US city and terminating in Canada. They can fly TPE-MIA-YVR as much as they want, if they feel they can make money that way and have a plane that's capable of doing that

Speaking of TPE... Haven't seen this posted here:

Air Canada / EVA Air Resumes Codeshare Partnership from March 2016

Air Canada and EVA Air starting March 2016 will resume codeshare partnership after 6-year hiatus, covering service within Domestic Canada, and intra-Asia service. Subject to Government Approval, planned codeshare partnership will commence on 10MAR16, on following routes.

Air Canada operated by EVA Air
Seoul Incheon – Kaohsiung
Seoul Incheon – Taipei Taoyuan
Tokyo Narita – Kaohsiung
Tokyo Narita – Taipei Taoyuan

EVA Air operated by Air Canada
Toronto – Montreal
Vancouver – Calgary
Vancouver – Edmonton

http://airlineroute.net/2016/02/28/acbr-codeshare-mar16/

Still, no direct flight if purchase from AC

[Orcair]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Cool! Interesting that they are flying the A350 first to AMS and DUS. It looks like a great plane, but am I the only one thinking that the Singapore Airlines color scheme looks a bit too retro?


www.avionale.com

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I fly them a lot. Definitely for international travel out of MEL anyway.

Interesting comment.... The actual logo has held its own but I think you are right.... Maybe it's time for a minor adjustment. I bet with just a few subtle tweaks here and there they could really have an impressive livery again.

Still an impressive sight seeing all the SQ planes with the Silver Kris logo all lined up!

I would agree - although if they do an update like Cathay Pacific it will be worse than the current one :/

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Airbus has been playing catch-up since they embarked on the A380, which was more or less a vanity product. I think Airbus KNEW the A380 had a HIGH risk factor but got so enamoured with building the biggest and shiniest toy that they forgot that they had to turn a profit as well... or just ask taxpayers for more $$$.

The A380 did do one thing, though. It elevated the general Airbus image, so it's not all bad.

And Boeing took on quite a bit of risk with the 787 as well, but it appears to have paid off. For consumers, the 787 is easily the best plane to fly on out there.

We'll see about the A350XWB. It should compete, but it still relies on tried and true technologies. The 787 is really a large leap in aviation technology. Like any new technology, it has had teething problems, but the 777X and 747-8 have both REALLY benefited from these teething problems.

The A350XWB seems like a tweener plane. It's essentially built on the A330 to compete while Airbus decides if/when it wants to go with the all-electric route Boeing has gone with. I think they're taking a wait and see approach.

Boeing's 787 could blow up in their faces... literally... but they've been fortunate in being quick to solve problems ( even though that means grounding the fleet for a year to fix the battery problems ).

Either way, it's nice to have choice as a consumer. Now if only Bombardier could step up to the plate...

I would disagree on the 350, but the 380 has definitely not played out as it should have - even Airbus is starting to admit this.

The original 350 I would argue was, yes, a build-on from the 330 with the same fuselage, etc. But I would argue that the current XWB variant is much more similar to the 787 than the 330 - new cross-section, higher-usage of composites, more humidity (like the 787), new undercarriage design, completely new wings with interesting wingtip treatments. The 330neo I would argue builds further on this legacy, while giving Airbus the opportunity to bid much lower per aircraft on deals vs. the 787 which makes up for its ~4% greater fuel burn.

[Hot Rod]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Airbus has been playing catch-up since they embarked on the A380, which was more or less a vanity product. I think Airbus KNEW the A380 had a HIGH risk factor but got so enamoured with building the biggest and shiniest toy that they forgot that they had to turn a profit as well... or just ask taxpayers for more $$$.

The A380 did do one thing, though. It elevated the general Airbus image, so it's not all bad.

And Boeing took on quite a bit of risk with the 787 as well, but it appears to have paid off. For consumers, the 787 is easily the best plane to fly on out there.

We'll see about the A350XWB. It should compete, but it still relies on tried and true technologies. The 787 is really a large leap in aviation technology. Like any new technology, it has had teething problems, but the 777X and 747-8 have both REALLY benefited from these teething problems.

The A350XWB seems like a tweener plane. It's essentially built on the A330 to compete while Airbus decides if/when it wants to go with the all-electric route Boeing has gone with. I think they're taking a wait and see approach.

Boeing's 787 could blow up in their faces... literally... but they've been fortunate in being quick to solve problems ( even though that means grounding the fleet for a year to fix the battery problems ).

Either way, it's nice to have choice as a consumer. Now if only Bombardier could step up to the plate...

Maybe from a customer prospective and to test the market for larger, more viable aircraft (777X and 737 MAX) using composite airframes; but it should be noted that Boeing also loses money on every 787 to the tune of $28M per airplane. Airbus is not alone in having a novel money loser.

But again, Boeing will benefit from the new technology leap from 787 being applied to profitable platforms (777X and 737 Max). I agree that A380 did boost the image of Airbus, so that also was probably worth it despite it also being a money loser.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by vanlaw

BBI is the IATA code for an airport in India. BER is the IATA for Brandenberg, if it ever opens. The entire fire suppression system didn't work properly. The proposed solution was to have 800 "fire watchers" stand on tall platforms to look for smoke. That obviously didn't go over well. Since then its been discovered that basically the whole airport is f'd, walls not strong enough etc. But none of it can be blamed on corruption..not in Germany




...designed by Herzog & de Meuron, budgeted to come in at 77M Euros, now at least 10x that. Let's see how the new Vancouver Art Gallery pans out...

HDM has the PAMM art museum here in miami, took forever to complete and they did a private parking garage in miami beach that you see in car commercials now. Now they are doing a private hi rise on the beach here too. All three projects went over budget. Not a fan of the new VAG, reminds me of the one in San Fran.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

However!! Before anybody spirals into a doom and gloom scenario.... So far these have actually benefitted YVR and there really is no indication this will be a detriment to YVR. The growing Asia pie just keeps getting larger all the time and YVR is well positioned to steal a big piece of that pie... Just going to have to learn to share that pie!

That's because YVR IS a 2nd tier city, the perfect size for the 787.... and there are lots of cities in China. Lots of them.... and the Pacific Ocean is big. Really big.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Orcair

I would agree - although if they do an update like Cathay Pacific it will be worse than the current one :/



I would disagree on the 350, but the 380 has definitely not played out as it should have - even Airbus is starting to admit this.

The original 350 I would argue was, yes, a build-on from the 330 with the same fuselage, etc. But I would argue that the current XWB variant is much more similar to the 787 than the 330 - new cross-section, higher-usage of composites, more humidity (like the 787), new undercarriage design, completely new wings with interesting wingtip treatments. The 330neo I would argue builds further on this legacy, while giving Airbus the opportunity to bid much lower per aircraft on deals vs. the 787 which makes up for its ~4% greater fuel burn.

Yes, it's quite similar, but with considerably different internals. There's a pretty good write-up on Quora, which I won't rehash here, but essentially the A350XWB is less electrical and more conservative.

I'm looking forward to flying on one. I have LOVED flying on the 787 and for the customer, I think the A350 will get just as good reviews.

[LeftCoaster]

Just for a little nostalgia here's a Singapore Airlines 772 landing at YVR back in 2009.

Skip to 1:50 if you dont want to see a westjet 737 and air Canada A3300...

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[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Just for a little nostalgia here's a Singapore Airlines 772 landing at YVR back in 2009.

Tease!

Also a good panning shot of a KLM MD-11 upon each arrival... More nostalgia.

[LeftCoaster]

Airliners.net is a pretty great spot for some nostalgia:


http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapore.../L/&sid=f0fae5847f3fa0c9eed3ba44edb9bbab


http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapore.../L/&sid=f0fae5847f3fa0c9eed3ba44edb9bbab

[Johnny Aussie]

Just a mini update.

For the 777 lovers out there...

AC has just updated YVR-YYZ for the summer scheds by adding back one of the 77Ws early afternoon. So there will be two 77Ws, one 77L, one 788 and four 763s per day for wide body action.

The daily tally on YVR-YYZ also goes back to 18-19 per day.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just a mini update.

For the 777 lovers out there... AC .......

....... The daily tally on YVR-YYZ also goes back to 18-19 per day.

Good stuff! Are the 18 - 19 YYZ flights a day just AC, or AC and WS combined? Thanks. (I would assume the latter?) ...

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Airbus has been playing catch-up since they embarked on the A380, which was more or less a vanity product. I think Airbus KNEW the A380 had a HIGH risk factor but got so enamoured with building the biggest and shiniest toy that they forgot that they had to turn a profit as well... or just ask taxpayers for more $$$.

The A380 did do one thing, though. It elevated the general Airbus image, so it's not all bad.

And Boeing took on quite a bit of risk with the 787 as well, but it appears to have paid off. For consumers, the 787 is easily the best plane to fly on out there.

Don't forget Boeing is still losing money on every 787 built hence the profits still elude them on this project. The 787 has also been highly criticized in the comfort category by many customers mostly due the the 9 abreast configuration resulting in very narrow seating, coupled with, for example, AC's 31" pitch which makes for a rather cramped long-haul experience.

The A350 has already proven itself to be a far more pleasant ride, wider cabin and still the same 9 abreast seating as the 787 but with 18"+ wide seats. If airlines has stuck to the originally proposed 8 abreast config of the 787, ( only ANA and JAL have a few birds in this config ) it would have truly felt far closer to the proposed Dreamliner experience.

[ShawnShank]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

and four 763s per day for wide body action.

What flights will these 763s be on/when do they start? Currently no scheduled 763s to YVR AFAIK (only equipment swaps), want to capture some of the mainline 763s before they go Rouge/are retired

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by ShawnShank

What flights will these 763s be on/when do they start? Currently no scheduled 763s to YVR AFAIK (only equipment swaps), want to capture some of the mainline 763s before they go Rouge/are retired

They start in May with three a day then ramp up to four daily in July with the full summer schedule.

YVR-YYZ flt dep/arr
AC136 0600/1328
AC1162 1030/1758
AC132 1300/2028
AC156 2215/0543+1

YYZ-YVR flt dep/arr
AC1173 0700/0903
AC1175 0915/1118
AC137 1800/2003
AC1171 2125/2328

The 18-19 daily flights is AC only. Add another 11 with Westjet and one daily Sunwing and a couple of weekly Transats.