Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 4

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by ThePusherMan

How about a street car line? Connect Marmalade with Granary and the Ball Park area.

I like the idea, but I wonder about it's feasibility on 300 W. I think street car and 300 W don't quite match up a slow moving train on a major arterial road, even with a road diet I anticipate the seed limit wouldn't change much. The could build it separated from traffic in the median though. However I would anticipate light rail eventually going down 400 W though and connecting southern Davis County to the existing line.

[Viperlord]

So, I got a message from the architect on my flickr page where I had uploaded the rendering of the disctrict attorney's office...

Here it is:

"This early conceptual rendering is owned by MHTN Architects, Inc. Please remove this image immediately, as permission has not been given for any type of use."

[Viperlord]

Originally Posted by Viperlord

We now know where the AC hotel by PEG Development is going....

235 W 200 S Salt Lake City UT
Parcel Number: 15-01-254-017-0000

Project Description:
AC Hotel and Apartments
Building and site design review for two multi-family buildings in the D-4 zoning district.

https://aca.slcgov.com/Citizen/Cap/CapDe...38&agencyCode=SLCREF&IsToShowInspection=



http://pegdevelopment.com/future-projects/

update 02/24/2016:

The renderings and site plans are now available for both the hotel and apartment buildings at the Salt Lake City's link that I posted above and then go to the "attachments" section.

[airhero]

Thanks Viperlord! So I didn't realize they are developing on that whole stretch of 200 South, between 200 West and the GOC parking lot.

AC Hotel, looks like they cut it down a couple floors:


Apartments:


Current layout of the lot:


Layout after proposed development:

[slc801]

Originally Posted by airhero

Thanks Viperlord! So I didn't realize they are developing on that whole stretch of 200 South, between 200 West and the GOC parking lot.

Layout after proposed development:

One thing that I like about this project is that it destroys the storage facilities that were mid block, butting up against the white apartments that face 300 south. From what I can tell a walking path is added between the old white apartments and the new proposed one. My hope would be that one day what was Pierpont Ave on this block is recreated, at least as a pedestrian thoroughfare and that it connects with the Pierponts on the blocks to both sides of this new development (the block just west of W Temple and the one west of 300 W). Those two sections of street have a lot of character and reconnecting them via a potential pedestrian path created through this development could create a really cool, interesting pedestrian experience in downtown SLC.

[Utah_Dave]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

They were killed because they were torn down, plain and simple. Every other city dealt with the same issues of sprawl and many had the patience to let their Main Street buildings stand and now they're extremely valuable. The city, the church, and its private partners screwed the pooch not the suburbs.



For Christ sake it's a coffee shop next to a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 library; how much more ideal is that! It was a fluke and a gift to the Civic Campus neighborhood. We're not talking about a mattress store. And the SIZE, the building itself is like the flower patch to the Grand America Hotel, it's so small as to be inconsequential to any draftsman able to create outside of cube shapes.

Does anyone here actually believe that a local coffee shop in a storefront style building adjacent to a sidewalk is ever a minus to an "urban" neighborhood?

The coffee shop had major foundation issues and was leaking ground water. They put the giant bags of coffee beans on pallets to keep them from getting wet. Business didn't make enough to do major repairs. Pallets probably had mold and other microbs all over them. They are probably glad to be rid of that building. Somethings need to be reborn. Sad? Maybe. Very nice place and memories for some

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by airhero

Current layout of the lot:


Layout after proposed development:

Sort of sad to see the old Ginza and Vosens buildings go. The building in between, which was falling apart for decades, was the old Leprechaun Club, which was a legandary 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 punk bar. Old SLC.

[Gastroc]

On the Salt Lake City skyscraper diagram on this website where it shows the pictures of of current, under construction and proposed buildings in SLC. The 151 building is listed as under construction?? Did I miss something? Surely this is incorrect, right?

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

The coffee shop had major foundation issues and was leaking ground water. They put the giant bags of coffee beans on pallets to keep them from getting wet. Business didn't make enough to do major repairs. Pallets probably had mold and other microbs all over them. They are probably glad to be rid of that building. Somethings need to be reborn. Sad? Maybe. Very nice place and memories for some

Sounds like a faith promoting rumor.

[Gastroc]

[ThePusherMan]

Originally Posted by Marvland

Sort of sad to see the old Ginza and Vosens buildings go. The building in between, which was falling apart for decades, was the old Leprechaun Club, which was a legandary 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 punk bar. Old SLC.

I really liked that Vosens building. RIP

[slc801]

Originally Posted by Marvland

Sort of sad to see the old Ginza and Vosens buildings go. The building in between, which was falling apart for decades, was the old Leprechaun Club, which was a legandary 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 punk bar. Old SLC.

I feel like the majority of my posts on this site are lamenting the demolition of architectural history throughout SLC. Consequently I didn't include it in the last post about this development because I wanted to mix it up a little, but since a few others have expressed it, I'm going to agree with them and say how disappointed I am to loose these buildings too. Are they fantastic? No? But considering how many historic buildings are continually demolished around downtown, I think that it is a shame and short sighted on the developers part that they were not some how included included in the design.

The last few downtown master plans that I've read, one of the concerns is the lack of historic preservation and the lack of political will by politicians to preserve more buildings. It is important for policy makers to set the precedent for developers. While the city of Salt Lake does preserve buildings and has done decently at this recently (for example, the blocks between the Rio Grande and Central Station and the old police headquarters), I think that they need to step up their game (heres looking at the demolished buildings on Main for the theatre, the Salt Lake Roasting Company, and multiple other buildings around downtown that have been demolished in the year last year, including the Arrowhead Press Building, the Redman Building, the building where the DA office was supposed to go, the theatre of State between 200 and 300 S that was supposed be be rebuilt but has stalled). At what point will more importance be given to architectural preservation (and when will emphasis be placed on including those buildings in designs rather than demolishing them) and the more difficult question is how many buildings will be left when a leader finally gets the gumption to change the policy and current direction?

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I am excited to see the Marmalade branch open. I think it will be a great piece in the overall character in improving on what is already a good neighborhood. 300 West needs a serious Road diet though, at the very least a landscaped median to provide a visual narrowing, and a physical barrier. Doing that can reduce speeds and can also make crossing the street much more comfortable.

I would be interested to see the traffic counts on 300 W, and highly doubt that the counts justify a road of that size.

But overall a great addition to the neighborhood. I can't wait to see the residential component start construction.

3rd west is definitely too big but rather than put in a grass median put it on the east side of the road and use it for community garden/urban farming. A linear cherry orchard maybe?

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by UTAZLoVer

Ok, I know I'm from Ogden so I might be a little sensitive to this. I'd never heard of Rialto, but I just looked it up and I don't see it aside from the fact that they are roughly the same size and they both have a railroad history (though Ogden's is much more significant) Other than that...
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End rant! Carry on! Sorry all! Sometimes I just have to defend my town.

Keep with the good fight! Ogden is the biggest sleeper of a town in the western United States. I like to call it a lovable mish mash of Boulder and Detroit. Nothing like it anywhere. Great bones, some of the best untouched building stock this side of St. Louis. Great seedy history. Still sort of cracky but that's way overplayed.

I've invested huge amounts of my time in Ogden. It's great to see what's happening up there and it can only go up for a few decades at least. An urban blue ribbon trout fishing stream runs through downtown. It's got easy access to world class skiing, a bunch of outdoor rec companies are based there, the administrations have been aggressive. Direct commuter link to SLC-UC. Did I mention the awesome buildings that never got knocked over? We'll start seeing results soon.

[airhero]

Originally Posted by Gastroc

On the Salt Lake City skyscraper diagram on this website where it shows the pictures of of current, under construction and proposed buildings in SLC. The 151 building is listed as under construction?? Did I miss something? Surely this is incorrect, right?

You didn't miss anything. It isn't under construction, and there hasn't been any word on when ground will be broken.

[Future Mayor]

Thank you for posting the renderings. I too am glad to see the storage units go and to see a connection from 200 S to 300 S through that block. I think that is a great location for apartments and for a small hotel. It simply goes to show that there is a huge unmet demand for hotel rooms near the Salt Palace, and the nice part about it is that these small hotels, won't even come close to making a dent in that demand, so they won't hinder the potential of another large hotel in the area.

I don't lament the loss of the Ginza building, it's a small one story, flat faced brick building surrounded by parking lot. Maybe if it had some architectural detail to it I might miss it but that one would be pretty simple the replicate, Just throw up a cinder block building. Volsens was a nice looking historic old home, but unfortunately that's now been gone for years, as for the old bar, who even knows what that used to look like, I am assuming it was a pretty cool building, but I'm willing to say that it is decades beyond repair. Considering it had nearly no semblance of a decent building back in 2000, when I worked next door.

I like that the AC Hotel and Apartments is requesting the conditional use for greater height. 84' on the apartments and 108' for the hotel. Would I prefer it if they went to 125'? Yes, but I'll take the 108' back of curb to back of curb is about 90', and back of sidewalk to back of sidewalk is about 120'. So while it's not the perfect visually narrowing height, it's pretty close. It will do a great job of bringing that section of 200 S to a more human/pedestrian scale. I like how the two buildings will differ in height, giving some visual variety.

I think the apartments are the best piece of this project, bringing more full time residents to the neighborhood, activating the street.

Overall a great addition to that section of 200 S.

[sock puppet]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I am excited to see the Marmalade branch open. I think it will be a great piece in the overall character in improving on what is already a good neighborhood. 300 West needs a serious Road diet though, at the very least a landscaped median to provide a visual narrowing, and a physical barrier. Doing that can reduce speeds and can also make crossing the street much more comfortable.

I would be interested to see the traffic counts on 300 W, and highly doubt that the counts justify a road of that size.

But overall a great addition to the neighborhood. I can't wait to see the residential component start construction.

300 West does have a landscaped median (between North Temple and Beck). They also added bulb-outs to several of the intersections, with more coming in Phase II. My understanding is that all the intersections in that stretch of 300 W will have the bulb-outs which make 300 W less of a barrier for the neighborhood.

On a side note, the 400 W apartments are looking HUGE. What a big project, and right next to the future hardware building development. I sure don't miss the dog kennel, horse stables, and run down warehouse on that corner.

[Makid]

As many know, I knew where the AC hotel would be located. I however didn't know that they would also be building Apartments.

I have had time to get over the loss of the buildings and parking for the AC hotel and have anxiously awaited their removal and the construction of the hotel.

With the addition of the apartments, to continue on a theme from FM, this will further help to enliven the area as it will increase pedestrian count on 2nd South which should further help to bring additional transformations to the area.

While I do wish both were taller, I am very happy for what 2nd South will look like between 2nd and 3rd West soon.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by sock puppet

300 West does have a landscaped median (between North Temple and Beck). They also added bulb-outs to several of the intersections, with more coming in Phase II. My understanding is that all the intersections in that stretch of 300 W will have the bulb-outs which make 300 W less of a barrier for the neighborhood.

On a side note, the 400 W apartments are looking HUGE. What a big project, and right next to the future hardware building development. I sure don't miss the dog kennel, horse stables, and run down warehouse on that corner.

Thanks for the information. I knew they had landscaped some of the median, I guess I just didn't realize that it went that far north. Apparently I haven't been up there or paid attention lately.

I like that all intersection will have bulb outs. All those improvements will help the neighborhood substantially. Well done City/State.

[jedikermit]

Maybe shouldn't post this here, but I consider you friends, so I'll just put it up and then take it down later or let it scroll off into oblivion. For the last two years I've been working on a teachery book about using toys, games, and comics to engage students and have less boringy classes. As these kind of books go, it's funny as 🞵🞵🞵🞵. Which I'm not saying to get you to buy it, just to myself among some people who I've known for years and even met once or twice.

Really the overall message of the book is about using what you're passionate about "in real life" to teach. Music, sports, architecture. For me it's toys and comics. But I use architecture a lot too.

ANYWAY.

BOOM.

http://www.amazon.com/Play-Like-PIRATE-Engage-Students/dp/0986155543