The Great Canadian Transit Thread

[logan5]

It would be a lot of work, but it would be a great reference tool if we had all the statistics for each of the rapid transit lines across the country, including BRT, in this thread.

[nname]

Originally Posted by logan5

It would be a lot of work, but it would be a great reference tool if we had all the statistics for each of the rapid transit lines across the country, including BRT, in this thread.

Then people here will start arguing which ones are a BRT and which one are not

Maybe this is a start?

Well, I included passenger ferries (that are integrated with transit system) just for fun. The ferries are more "rapid transit" than some of the "BRT" on the list... Seriously, many of the "BRT" are no more than regular bus route that skip some stops - some you had to wait 60min for a bus off-peak, some only run peak-only, some do local service part of the way, and one of them even run with a community shuttle mini-bus... Even the ones with dedicated busway - some don't have dedicated route or branding, just throw a whole bunch of bus routes onto the busway and call it a BRT. Only the section with exclusive ROW are included in the total length (hence many of the "BRT" system end up with a "0")

[logan5]

Yes that works. Thank-you.

On top of that information I wouldn't mind seeing total cost, cost per km, and ultimate capacity.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by nname

Then people here will start arguing which ones are a BRT and which one are not

Maybe this is a start?

Well, I included passenger ferries (that are integrated with transit system) just for fun. The ferries are more "rapid transit" than some of the "BRT" on the list... Seriously, many of the "BRT" are no more than regular bus route that skip some stops - some you had to wait 60min for a bus off-peak, some only run peak-only, some do local service part of the way, and one of them even run with a community shuttle mini-bus... Even the ones with dedicated busway - some don't have dedicated route or branding, just throw a whole bunch of bus routes onto the busway and call it a BRT. Only the section with exclusive ROW are included in the total length (hence many of the "BRT" system end up with a "0")

Neat. Just a couple of points of clarification about Ottawa:

In addition to the transitway, Ottawa has had the North/South O-Train Trillium Line, which is a rail transit system, since 2001. The transitway is mostly grade separated but there are a few intersections downtown that are not grade separated.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by nname

Then people here will start arguing which ones are a BRT and which one are not

Maybe this is a start?

Well, I included passenger ferries (that are integrated with transit system) just for fun. The ferries are more "rapid transit" than some of the "BRT" on the list... Seriously, many of the "BRT" are no more than regular bus route that skip some stops - some you had to wait 60min for a bus off-peak, some only run peak-only, some do local service part of the way, and one of them even run with a community shuttle mini-bus... Even the ones with dedicated busway - some don't have dedicated route or branding, just throw a whole bunch of bus routes onto the busway and call it a BRT. Only the section with exclusive ROW are included in the total length (hence many of the "BRT" system end up with a "0")

I notice there is no TTC streetcars there.

[nname]

Originally Posted by logan5

On top of that information I wouldn't mind seeing total cost, cost per km, and ultimate capacity.

Ultimate capacity would be hard to justify, as it involve upgrade - which should be counted in the capacity and which doesn't? Say, Vancouver's Expo line had a ultimate capacity of 25,000pphpd at design time, but now with newer train the capacity can now go up to 31,000pphpd. If they decide to extend all platforms to 100m, then the capacity can be pushed up to 37,000pphpd. So which number should be used for the system? Similarly, for TTC subway, they could increase capacity more by signaling upgrade and add a small 7th car to the train. Calgary may be able to extend their platform to fit 5-car later - should those be counted too?

The total cost and cost per km is even harder... Toronto, Montreal, and Calgary may had extended their system at least 10 times. It would be really hard to find the cost of all these extensions and adjust for inflation. And even then, the cost of construction in 1954 is not going to be comparable to new project in the 2010s even adjust for inflation, so the number is going to be skewed anyways.

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

In addition to the transitway, Ottawa has had the North/South O-Train Trillium Line, which is a rail transit system, since 2001. The transitway is mostly grade separated but there are a few intersections downtown that are not grade separated.

Its there at the 11th column. Its sorted by opening date.

As for grade separation - even one or two at-grade crossing would mark the system as 'no'
For exclusive ROW - the system would marked 'yes' if there is at least some part that are exclusive, and the length of that is noted a few rows below

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I notice there is no TTC streetcars there.

I know someone is going to ask this question

Well I'm trying to keep the list for "rapid transit" only - so I only included the system that are branded limited stop service and/or in exclusive ROW and/or longer stop spacing than regular service for most of the route. Apparently the streetcar does not seems meet any of these criteria - only the St Clare and a section of Harbourfront route have exclusive ROW, and none of the 11 routes would qualify as express service.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by nname

I know someone is going to ask this question

Well I'm trying to keep the list for "rapid transit" only - so I only included the system that are branded limited stop service and/or in exclusive ROW and/or longer stop spacing than regular service for most of the route. Apparently the streetcar does not seems meet any of these criteria - only the St Clare and a section of Harbourfront route have exclusive ROW, and none of the 11 routes would qualify as express service.

Ok, so why not show the future Crosstown, St Clair, and one that is not grade separated to show just what is and isn't "rapid"

[Metro-One]

A sneak peek of a full articulated 4 car MKIII skytrain being tested at the OMC in Burnaby.

The picture is from Translink's facebook account.

Originally Posted by madog222

^

[TorontoDrew]

How is that different from what is already in use?

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

How is that different from what is already in use?

I dont know the technical improvements made with this new generation but the front / rear design is different and all 4 cars are articulated together (ACCB).

All current MKII cars are married pairs (AB)(AB).

And the oldest MKI cars all all individual.

[ssiguy]

They no longer make the MK11 as the new trains are based on the Innovia trains.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I dont know the technical improvements made with this new generation but the front / rear design is different and all 4 cars are articulated together (ACCB).

All current MKII cars are married pairs (AB)(AB).

And the oldest MKI cars all all individual.

Thanks !

[Beedok]

BC just has two transit agencies right? BC Transit and then Translink?

[hipster duck]

Metrolinx has agreed to cut the fares on the Union Pearson Express by more than 50%.

Article.

In addition, riders going to the intermediate stops of Bloor and Weston will now pay the same as a regular GO train fare.

[caltrane74]

Commuters in Toronto now have a lower priced option for getting downtown from Bloor and Weston

$4.71 from Bloor (Dundas West)

$5.02 from Weston (Weston)


http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/02/23/upx-to-slash-fare-by-more-than-half.html



Can you imagine a UPX train standing room only?

[esquire]

^ Makes sense... they're paid for, might as well get people to use them.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Can you imagine a UPX train standing room only?

Hopefully during rush-hour the trains departing Union will give priority to those with luggage or heading to the airport. That's my main beef with the Canada line in Vancity. Not so much leaving the airport but getting on board it with luggage can be a pain in the ass. At least the UP southbound train will only have airport arrivals getting on it at Pearson.

[caltrane74]

They can reserve the first 2 cars for travelers, or the first car, depending on demand.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by nname

Then people here will start arguing which ones are a BRT and which one are not

Maybe this is a start?

If the Waterloo iExpress system is counted, then Kingston's express bus system counts too. Pulse in Durham Region as well.

I can do the stats on Kingston if you want.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

They can reserve the first 2 cars for travelers, or the first car, depending on demand.

Isn't it only 2 cars long?