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Old Posted Jan 14, 2016, 6:56 AM
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49 story with (490, 509, 516) units... Hm. Different number in each one.

The earlier articles listed it at 50 stories with 589 units. I wonder if that either means bigger units or a design change.
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49 story with 490 units... Hm.

The earlier articles listed it at 50 stories with 589 units. I wonder if that either means bigger units or a design change.
Would still be a 600"+ tower.

I did not know, that they were waiting for another permit. We might see some movement soon, the Onni Group is expending the Southern California operations. They also filed plans for a Hollywood project in December.

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They have an active Twitter-Account with daily updates.
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49 story with (490, 509, 516) units... Hm. Different number in each one.

The earlier articles listed it at 50 stories with 589 units. I wonder if that either means bigger units or a design change.
I'm guessing a different design, Hopefully..I'm probably the only one that hated the first design. Nice but boring.

Even with the subtraction of one floor, I don't think the building height will change. What seems to be the rave these days is increase in floor to ceiling height with some floor plans. Might be the case here.
     
     
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LA is going to need a lot more Hotel Rooms now that we just got the Rams back (plus the entertainment complex coming with it). Not to mention our housing crisis.
The city was actually favoring the Inglewood project in part because they already had a set of underperforming hotels over there, the ones at LAX. So outside of what is included in the complex itself, I wouldn't expect that many more hotel to come from the Rams.
     
     
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Can't wait for Denizen's building moratorium to end. The next cycle's gonna be awesome!!
Maybe each cycle begins the day a building breaks ground and ends the next day??? In that case we had about 10 cycles last year
     
     
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Excellent. Frankentower work officially started yesterday with what looks like utility lines being moved around and now we have permits ready for Onni! Good month of January. Next up would be Marriott, Mack Urban and Apex 2 if i recall correctly.
The only one I have listed in the next three months is 4th and Broadway. At least that is what was announced. Apex2 got appealed by the guy who was the original developer and might be held up.

In the second quarter I have the following towers. Some of these were announced a year ago and it might not be the latest info, so don't hold me to the exact dates. I don't expect any of these to actually have moved up their timeline though. 4th and hill. Other FrankenTower. Jw Marriott. One tower that has moved up its schedule but I can't mention.
     
     
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One tower that has moved up its schedule but I can't mention.
Why not?
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2016, 6:46 PM
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Heard some rumors about Rams HQ being in Thousand Oaks! Could you imagine?? Talk about sprawl and commuting. Why not put HQ downtown and training facility at StubHub?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2016, 7:33 PM
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Arguably the most important news for downtown this week:

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-shake-shack-downtown-20160113-story.html

Shake Shack hitting Downtown LA on Hill and 8th, replacing the nightclub currently there. For those who don't know, Shake Shack is basically New York's In-n-Out. It's very good. The milkshakes are dope. And it's a hell of a regional draw, bringing more people to downtown who might otherwise not care enough to make the trip.
     
     
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looks like property and violent crime downtown spiked to new highs last year

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/viole...5f3f508-b663-11e5-a5e0-97795ff5ab58.html
     
     
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The city was actually favoring the Inglewood project in part because they already had a set of underperforming hotels over there, the ones at LAX.
I believe the hotels around LAX, esp the larger ones on century blvd, actually have long had the highest booking rates among any group of hotels in LA. There were yrs when the hotels near LAX were quite full while the hotels in dtla were ghost towns.

if anything....& based on the past when getting visitors to go to dt was a hard sell....the city should have favored new sports devlpt that funnels ppl to dt instead of towards LAX. Based on what some analysts are saying about the new stadium a few miles east of the airport, some potential business & the $$$ that go with that may be lost to city coffers, if one is talking about the city of LA & not the city of inglewood....


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LOS ANGELES — America's favorite form of television entertainment, the National Football League, is returning to Hollywood after more than 20 years away. And while being back in the U.S.'s second-biggest market is certainly a boon for the league, the planned state-of-the-art stadium complex set to open in 2019 in the suburb of Inglewood where the Rams will be playing upon their return from St. Louis should also make life easier for sports broadcasters — and maybe even bring events like Comic-Con back to the entertainment capital.

The Inglewood stadium will assuredly host future Super Bowls, and is a good bet to be home to other major sporting spectacles, from college basketball's Final Four to the College Football Playoff to major international soccer matches. And L.A.'s 2024 Olympic bid will definitely benefit from having a brand-new stadium added to it, with all construction costs paid by a partnership between Rams owner Stan Kroenke and Stockbridge Capital, who own the site.

Phil Wallace, a sports columnist for influential media and politics website LA Observed and a board member of the city's 2024 Olympic bid, said having a covered stadium with the features and capabilities of the Inglewood plan (whose presentation by Kroenke and chief operating officer Kevin Demoff reportedly had other owners "blown away") might also mean major entertainment events that have nothing to do with sports could return to a city that hasn't really had a good venue for them for years.

"L.A. actually has really limited convention space," Wallace said. "I think you'll be able to have really fantastic conventions coming to Inglewood now. Maybe Comic-Con is there. That's certainly a possibility."

Wallace compared the Inglewood site to a "bigger L.A. Live," which is the entertainment district in Downtown Los Angeles that includes the Staples Center — home to the Lakers, Clippers and Kings — and the Microsoft Theater, which hosts the Emmys and the American Music Awards.
     
     
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They might, but the hotel market isn't something I understand as well - specially when it comes to DTLA where there are tax incentives and overwhelming demand.

Besides, Shenzhens project is anchored by condos.
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As I've been saying the cycle is over and the Shenzen project is far from making sense right now.

People here need to understand soil testing doesn't mean a tower is imminent. There could be so many things going on from LA City looking for lost utility lines to a simple sale of the lot (to a developer who wants to sit on it until a tower makes sense, OR even a developer who wants to break ground immediately).
What all have neglected to mention in this discussion is that the developers are Chinese who, based upon Oceanwide's and Greenland's example, will build based upon their own development philosophy and will probably be very bullish toward the market no matter what. I think that it's important to remember that when they bought land downtown a few years ago they did their homework. Let's be honest the area and market was still a little iffy and the many developers from other nations have become sort of "White Knights" for downtown. Given their track records in their respective countries I think that their investment philosophy is "that what which does not exist in a city (or specific project) they will create and build"--that is "momentum and demand." You can bet that they will market the residential component to the mainland Chinese population and will probably be very successful at it. The same applies to the Canadian developer Onni Group.
     
     
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Arguably the most important news for downtown this week:

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-shake-shack-downtown-20160113-story.html

Shake Shack hitting Downtown LA on Hill and 8th, replacing the nightclub currently there. For those who don't know, Shake Shack is basically New York's In-n-Out. It's very good. The milkshakes are dope. And it's a hell of a regional draw, bringing more people to downtown who might otherwise not care enough to make the trip.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2016, 10:55 PM
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Arguably the most important news for downtown this week:

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-shake-shack-downtown-20160113-story.html
A Shit Shack? How disappointing. I'd have rather it were another local restaurant opening, like another Oinkster. Now THAT would have been COOL. Or a lahmajoon place.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
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A Shit Shack? How disappointing. I'd have rather it were another local restaurant opening, like another Oinkster. Now THAT would have been COOL. Or a lahmajoon place.
I dunno man, as a most of the year NY resident, Shake Shack is pretty dope. And like I said, Shake Shack is a draw. People will come far for Shake Shack, and the restaurant could have a ripple effect in revitalizing the surrounding area even more.
     
     
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Arguably the most important news for downtown this week:

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-shake-shack-downtown-20160113-story.html

Shake Shack hitting Downtown LA on Hill and 8th, replacing the nightclub currently there. For those who don't know, Shake Shack is basically New York's In-n-Out. It's very good. The milkshakes are dope. And it's a hell of a regional draw, bringing more people to downtown who might otherwise not care enough to make the trip.
Well, Smorgasburg is bigger news. And 65 Degrees has it’s rabid following too. All in all, a good week for food in downtown.
     
     
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If only those retail brands would open up in Downtown. Zara and H&M was a start but we need more
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So I was looking at some of the building heights going up and I'm just trying to figure something out.

So Oceanwide Plaza has the following heights listed on their diagram.

49 story - 632' to roof. 677' to parapet.
40 story - 500' to roof. 530' to parapet.
40 story - 500' to roof. 530' to parapet.

This is Circa
(I've seen both 400' and 420' does anyone know which is the official number?)

36 story - 420' to top.
36 story - 420' to top.

Metropolis
(These numbers were from the old design, have they changed? Couldn't find anything.)

40 story - 451' to top.
54(or 56/58?) - 647' to top.

Onni
(Number of units have changed, and possibly downscaled. Might affect previous height listed.)

50(or 49?) - 637' to top.

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For scale purposes let's use the Ritz since it's in the area.

54 story LA Live Ritz Carlton - 667' to top.


So it seems only Oceanwide's 49 story will surpass the Ritz and that is only after you factor in the parapet. What caught my attention was how Metropolis with an extra 5 floors wasn't able to match it in height. I presume it's smaller floor to roof ratios, right? I understand that each building is different I just felt like this was a bit drastic.

Still, i'm glad we are getting all these Ritz sized buildings going up. I remember when Ritz was a big deal back in 06/07. The only reason I included Circa was because I thought it was weird that if it was at 400' why did it have an entire 100' gap between itself and the smaller Oceanwide towers when it's only 4 floors smaller.

Don't mean to nitpick. I'm just trying to understand, and hopefully maybe there's some new numbers for the changes to these projects.
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So it seems only Oceanwide's 49 story will surpass the Ritz and that is only after you factor in the parapet. What caught my attention was how Metropolis with an extra 5 floors wasn't able to match it in height. I presume it's smaller floor to roof ratios, right? I understand that each building is different I just felt like this was a bit drastic.

Still, i'm glad we are getting all these Ritz sized buildings going up. I remember when Ritz was a big deal back in 06/07. The only reason I included Circa was because I thought it was weird that if it was at 400' why did it have an entire 100' gap between itself and the smaller Oceanwide towers when it's only 4 floors smaller.

Don't mean to nitpick. I'm just trying to understand, and hopefully maybe there's some new numbers for the changes to these projects.
I wonder if part of it has to do with high floor heights in retail podiums, vs. lower floor heights in garage podiums, and mechanical stuff (technical terminology) on roofs. Since Oceanwide Plaza is essentially having a full scale mall in the podium, I would imagine the floor heights will be significantly larger than just normal retail spaces.
     
     
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