Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[swimmer_spe]

Or, name the spur from Waterfront to Lougheed as Millennium

The rest of the old Millennium and the Evergreen extension, name that Evergreen Line

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

*yawn* how many times do you have to say the same imbecilic thing...


side note: the 2 stations looks great.

As many times as I can, as I am merely pointing out the obvious. I honestly don't know why ANYONE would not want Burquitlam Station to open now if it can be done so.

As far as the "Evergreen Extension" name, I see nothing wrong with it. But ideally, they should have just named the whole thing from Douglas to VCC / Clarke (and eventually Arbutus) "Evergreen Line", just like how they named "Millenium Line" from Waterfront to VCC / Clarke. It would have been more consistent with current practice and less confusing.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

As many times as I can, as I am merely pointing out the obvious. I honestly don't know why ANYONE would not want Burquitlam Station to open now if it can be done so.

Well I'm someone and here are a couple good reasons not to open the Burquitlam Station if it can be done sooner:
a. It will make 97B service redundant in the area so either the line changes turn around destination from Lougheed to Burquitlam or the 97B continues through to Lougheed. Either way - that costs $$$ and adds confusion.

b. The train service would either have to be a short run of Lougheed to Burquitlam, or implementation of the new system of VCC Clarke to Burquitlam and Waterfront to Production Way. Either way - that costs $$$ and adds confusion.

c. The project would not be passed over to Translink until its complete therefore Translink cannot adjust train or bus schedule to allow for Burquitlam implementation.

To have the original start date for Burquitlam station to open with the remaining stations to follow after 6-9 months would only add cost and confusion and likely not be even possibly contractually.

[JoeyConnick]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

As far as the "Evergreen Extension" name, I see nothing wrong with it. But ideally, they should have just named the whole thing from Douglas to VCC / Clarke (and eventually Arbutus) "Evergreen Line", just like how they named "Millennium Line" from Waterfront to VCC / Clarke. It would have been more consistent with current practice and less confusing.

Although it's caught in this bizarre grey zone/awkwardness because TransLink (and apparently the Province) don't want to lose the name recognition of the "Evergreen Line" brand, I think it makes a LOT more sense to do it the way they have: the public mainly thinks of the Millennium Line as going from Columbia to VCC–Clark so renaming the bulk of that, the VCC–Clark to Lougheed portion, would have been pretty confusing, as would telling them the Millennium Line now goes from Waterfront to Lougheed.

Trying to pretend you have 4 lines when you really only have 3 (apart from the relatively tiny stretch between Columbia and Lougheed) makes it seem like you're trying waaaaay too hard. Looking at a map, you now have 3 lines: Canada, Expo, and Millennium. Expo has a small spur to connect it to Millennium and Canada has a small spur to connect it to YVR (or it that "has a small spur to connect it to Richmond Centre?" LOL)

That being said, the Tri-Cities have waited over 30 years for this, and it's certainly been quite the slog even once construction started, so giving the new portion its own branding seems reasonable.

It will, definitely, be interesting to see what branding they come up with if they ever extend the Millennium Line to Arbutus. I guess the Broadway extension? I've seen a lot of people refer to it as the "Broadway subway" already but that's a bit disingenuous given Skytrain's much smaller capacity relative to heavy rail. Or at least it is to me: when I hear "subway," I think New York or Toronto scale, not "intermediate capacity."

[David]

I see nothing wrong with using Evergreen Extension. Extension seems to be pretty common naming for an "extension" of a line, which this is.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by David

I see nothing wrong with using Evergreen Extension. Extension seems to be pretty common naming for an "extension" of a line, which this is.

Sure, but "Evergreen?" Either use the name to create a new line (ideally VCC/Arbutus-Coquitlam), or get rid of it altogether and say "Coquitlam Extension" - what they're going with right now just sounds ridiculous. It also sets a precedent to give equally pretentious names to every other Skytrain extension.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Sure, but "Evergreen?" Either use the name to create a new line (ideally VCC/Arbutus-Coquitlam), or get rid of it altogether and say "Coquitlam Extension" - what they're going with right now just sounds ridiculous. It also sets a precedent to give equally pretentious names to every other Skytrain extension.

May I support your statement 100% ? I think you pinpointed it.

[Hot Rod]

"Evergreen Extension" will be dropped and the entire 'redesigned' line will be known as the Millennium Line. The "Broadway Extension" will be so called during that construction phase but it too will be dropped when complete and again the entire line will be the Millennium Line.

I don't see any issue with this.

Since Expo Line will have two routes, will the 'new' Expo Stations in Burnaby now be expanded like the others along the heritage Expo Line?

[MIPS]

I don't see any issue with this.

Why have it printed on the signs at all if it's going to have a sticker slapped over it when they are done? Why not the opposite??

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Why have it printed on the signs at all if it's going to have a sticker slapped over it when they are done? Why not the opposite??

It's easier to put a sticker on than peel it off?

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Either use the name to create a new line (ideally VCC/Arbutus-Coquitlam), or get rid of it altogether and say "Coquitlam Extension" - what they're going with right now just sounds ridiculous.

If this is the most contentious thing about the line then we're lucky indeed.

[scryer]

If I had it my way, I would make it a shared line with Evergreen and Millennium, and have the Evergreen line split off at Lougheed. And I would keep it a shared line for the Arbutus/UBC extension(s). That way, if Coquiltam wants to extend the Evergreen line (just saying) further, it can without any naming drama.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Not sure if someone took a similar pic before I did, but here's an update on the vehicle maintenance facility at Falcon Drive:

(Pic taken by me this past weekend)

[SOSS]

I would have:

Millennium Line be from Waterfront - Production
Evergreen Line be from VCC Clarke - Douglas Lafarge with the Broadway extension being named the Evergreen Line once complete.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by SOSS

I would have:

Millennium Line be from Waterfront - Production
Evergreen Line be from VCC Clarke - Douglas Lafarge with the Broadway extension being named the Evergreen Line once complete.

Evergreen line is a crappy name, I'm glad they scrapped it.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Jebby

Evergreen line is a crappy name, I'm glad they scrapped it.

Well, we've kinda run out of big events to name our lines after... and we blew our chance at getting an Olympic Line.

So unless anybody wants to ask Translink to consider a Colours or Animals theme, it looks like they're going with Abstract Pacific Northwest Words.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Well, we've kinda run out of big events to name our lines after... and we blew our chance at getting an Olympic Line.

So unless anybody wants to ask Translink to consider a Colours or Animals theme, it looks like they're going with Abstract Pacific Northwest Words.

We don't need new names for our lines. The Evergreen extension will rightfully just be called Millennium Line. The Broadway extension will also be just part of the Millennium Line. An extension of the Expo Line to Langley will just be called Expo Line (if it actually gets built as SkyTrain)

That's all the SkyTrain we'll see built in the next 25 years.

We might see some of other stuff built, such as a Surrey LRT, Downtown Streetcar, SFU Gondola, WCE expansion...but those don't have to follow the same naming theme as SkyTrain.

[GMasterAres]

I'm confused why they don't just do what they've done for over a decade on Expo line. Have the two lines intertwined and for each alternate train say Evergreen or Millennium Line.

You get on a train at Metrotown it will say "Millennium Line to VCC" or "Expo Line to King George." It really should just be the Expo line, but that way you know what train you're getting on. I understand from a "sign" and "map" perspective it is nice and tidy to just slap one name on it. But from the perspective of someone getting on a train, having different line names can make it easier.

Do the same on the other line. You get on at Broadway and it says "Evergreen Line to X" or "Millennium Line to Y" so you know what train you're on. That to me is far less confusing and in places like London they do that all the time for trains that share platforms or trains that split and go to different destinations.

That said I'm sure you could still do the same thing but use a single line. So for example saying "Expo Line to VCC Clark" or "Expo Line to King George" or "Expo Line to Langley" for example. Or Millennium Line to Coquitlam or Millennium Line to Waterfront or whatever the end destination ends up being. I dunno. This way though is still more confusing than actually having a different line name. If you want to go to Surrey for example and you get on a train along Expo Line, you don't need to know the destination as soon as you hear "Millennium Line to" you right away know you're on the wrong train.

[Gordon]

When the Evergreen extension opens. are there plans to short turn trains at Metrotown during rush hour?

[Tetsuo]

MARK III shots from Koncept61 on r/vancouver

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