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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 6:19 PM
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I don't expect many, if any, new large-scale (25+ stories) tower developments to be announced in 2016. We are approaching the end of the current growth cycle. If anything, I would bet on a new office development. However, that would come no were near sniffing the 700' mark in height.


As for the developments in which you inquired

-Waller Park Place - Don't hold your breath (at best this is on hold). Construction financing not fully secured, no hotel operator, no pre-leasing activity for office component, no pre-sales activity for condominium component, etc... Doesn't look good.

-99 Trinity - Consider this one mothballed. At best, on hold until the next building cycle (a few years away). World Class Capital has not shown the wherewithal to develop something of this size.

-Hotel ZaZa & Post Republic Square - Not sure what is going on. It's quickly approaching the mothballed category. However, there were hints that this project may wait until the next housing construction cycle.

-5th & Brazos (Magellan's deal) - at this point, I believe it would be safe to consider this one mothballed. Construction financing not fully secured, no hotel operator, etc... (see Waller Park Place). Furthermore, Magellan is a small shop and they are heavily focused on their new Vista Residences project in Chicago.


So, let's sit back, prop our feet up and watch and see what happens in the coming 1Q and 2Q 2016 - this will be telling. From an overall commercial real estate standpoint, most analysts and experts are predicting another good year - with a caveat - that it will not be as robust as what was witnessed in 2014 and 2015.
I'm bullish on Hotel ZaZa (clearly there were unanticipated utility issues that arose during site prep. That said, I'll be pessimistic if significant excavation hasn't happened by the Spring)

I'm also bullish on the Magellan building. "Small shop" or not, Magellan has such a good track record and at least from what I've heard, there is still internal movement on the preparation end for this one. I'd expect to see dirt move sometime in 2016.

I'm officially out on 99 Trinity. It seems like it was merely a pipe dream and we've been hearing it's supposed to break ground for three years now.

Waller Park Place is a huge wildcard. New demo fencing was up the last time I walked by the site, so jury is still out. They had talked about starting construction this winter, so if it stays silent, then it's time to put this one under the "on hold" category.

As far as future announcements, I think there is a lot in the pipeline that could be announced or classified as more concrete during the upcoming year.

It wouldn't shock me if we saw renderings for the IBC Bank Hotel as well as the final designs for the church block.

Endeavor owns a couple properties that we could see announcements on and there is also the possibility of 900 Congress being home to a significant tower.

It might be slower, but there's still a lot coming.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 6:42 PM
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I am so happy to see Austin slow down a bit. Let the city catch up.
As a designer..... I'm also happy to not have too much built at one time.
Keeps the Architecture more varied.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 8:48 PM
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-99 Trinity - Consider this one mothballed. At best, on hold until the next building cycle (a few years away). World Class Capital has not shown the wherewithal to develop something of this size.
My source says this is "mothballed" as you put it, not cancelled. Which is good news.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 9:35 PM
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I think we're golden on the west side of Downtown for large projects in 2016 with the exception the ZaZa mystery. In addition to the already started Fifth & West and 500 W. 2nd St, I don't see any problems with the Independent, Austin Proper or Third + Shoal. 416 Congress seems to be back on track as well. The last Green Water tower was never scheduled to start before 2017.

But the biggest projects on the east side of Downtown sure seem to be having some issues. The one big one U/C – the Fairmont – had some problems getting started as well. (Technically the Aloft is also on the east side.) I think 99 Trinity is on hold until the next cycle. I suspect Waller Park Place will start, but possibly only the office tower for now. 70 Rainey seems to be OK, but I don't think 48 East will start until next cycle. 5Th & Brazos was never scheduled to start until February or March 2016 based on permit filings, so I'm not worried about that one yet.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 10:53 PM
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I think we're golden on the west side of Downtown for large projects in 2016 with the exception the ZaZa mystery. In addition to the already started Fifth & West and 500 W. 2nd St, I don't see any problems with the Independent, Austin Proper or Third + Shoal. 416 Congress seems to be back on track as well. The last Green Water tower was never scheduled to start before 2017.

But the biggest projects on the east side of Downtown sure seem to be having some issues. The one big one U/C – the Fairmont – had some problems getting started as well. (Technically the Aloft is also on the east side.) I think 99 Trinity is on hold until the next cycle. I suspect Waller Park Place will start, but possibly only the office tower for now. 70 Rainey seems to be OK, but I don't think 48 East will start until next cycle. 5Th & Brazos was never scheduled to start until February or March 2016 based on permit filings, so I'm not worried about that one yet.
Would the MACC be the cause of delays in this part of the DT?
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 11:05 PM
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As far as future announcements, I think there is a lot in the pipeline that could be announced or classified as more concrete during the upcoming year.

It wouldn't shock me if we saw renderings for the IBC Bank Hotel as well as the final designs for the church block.

Endeavor owns a couple properties that we could see announcements on and there is also the possibility of 900 Congress being home to a significant tower.

It might be slower, but there's still a lot coming.
I wonder how tall the IBC Bank Hotel is planning on going. I've been imagining 400 feet since that's a small slice of land and they want a big use for it, right?

The church block I'm extremely bullish on with respect to height because they've intimated they want to develop a highest use concept.

900 Congress, if what you mean by significant is signature (650+) or perhaps even slightly less than signature (500+) or something groundbreaking (800+) would mean the skyline balance would move significantly further away from the river.

In fact, all of these in combination move the skyline progressively further away from the river, even if the Waller Park Place moves forward and the development of the Independent and the other projects in the West End.

By the way, I love how we're all calling it the West End... where did that name come from?
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2015, 11:06 PM
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Would the MACC be the cause of delays in this part of the DT?
They caused a delay with 70 Rainey, but that issue was resolved. As much as I don't like the MACC I can't blame them for any other delays.
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Could this be the possible IBC Bank Hotel? It looks to be in the right location.
http://hsuoffice.com/project/living-tower/
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Could this be the possible IBC Bank Hotel? It looks to be in the right location.
http://hsuoffice.com/project/living-tower/
God I hope not. Can't anyone be just a little more creative with the overall shape? Just another rectangular tower on a pedestal with a bunch of weird Vees all over it.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2015, 2:14 AM
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Yeah, that's not my favorite building by any means. It is different, but when you get past the unusual design, it's still a box.
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Could this be the possible IBC Bank Hotel? It looks to be in the right location.
http://hsuoffice.com/project/living-tower/
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2015, 2:26 AM
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Could this be the possible IBC Bank Hotel? It looks to be in the right location.
http://hsuoffice.com/project/living-tower/
Wow, props to you. Every now and then I scower crevices of the internet looking for renderings of this one. I think you may have found at least one possible iteration. I don't think we can expect a tiered tower here because of such a small starting footprint and the CVC, so if it has to be a rectangle. That said, I like what they've done.
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So does that red elephant.

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Old Posted Dec 26, 2015, 5:43 AM
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So does that red elephant.
Let's not forget about the bats too.


Thanks for everyones opinions.

Regarding Oracle...The site is strategically located between DT and the airport. I wouldn't be suprised if that was one of the reasons they chose it. This is yet another example of why I think we will continue to see substantial growth with ABIA.
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Waterfall on Lake Travis



http://waterfallonlaketravis.com

This development is at the northern tip of Hudson Bend. Right across the river from The Oasis.
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Waterfall on Lake Travis



http://waterfallonlaketravis.com

This development is at the northern tip of Hudson Bend. Right across the river from The Oasis.


Thanks for posting this...these have been under construction for some time now. They are within a stones throw from Emerald Point Marina (where the old Carlos N' Charlie's used to be located).
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2015, 6:48 AM
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Anytime GoldenBoot.
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2015, 7:09 AM
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As we wrap up the final days of 2015, and head into 2016 let's take a quick peek that's in store for us. Gotta say looks like 2016 will be a big year in campus development as well as a new tallest!

HPI Domain


The Backyard


New Campus at La Frontera
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2015, 12:50 AM
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We finally have development plans for that one east side I-35 frontage lot next to the awkward white dilapidated house. Looks very nice.

http://austintowers.net/tyndall-condos-at-robertson-hill/
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