The Great Canadian Skyline Thread!

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Personally i don't mind the rain and clouds. Keeps the grass green.

Personally I think Vancouver would be better if it got a little more snow more often.

For example, I think Chilliwack probably has the best climate in Canada, hot humid summers, but mild winters with much more snow than Vancouver.

Chilliwack is not hot and humid in the summer. in July its Daily Minimum is 12.5ºC, while in Toronto or Montréal it's around 18ºC.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Chilliwack is not hot and humid in the summer. in July its Daily Minimum is 12.5ºC, while in Toronto or Montréal it's around 18ºC.

Chilliwack is decently warm in the summer for a location still largely influenced by the ocean.

June H 21.7 L 11
July H 25 L 12.5
August H 25.3 L 12.1
September H 22.3 L 9.1

Those temperatures, while not southern Ontario hot, are still decently warm and heat waves are regular in the summer. They compare very well / close to all the major prairie cities (slightly warmer than Edmonton / Calgary, and slightly cooler to on par with Regina, Saskatoon, and Winnipeg). Also they are near identical to even slightly warmer (for the afternoon highs) than many popular cottage country locations in Ontario. They are also near identical to summer in New Brunswick.

Also apples to apples (airport to airport) the warmest average low for Toronto is July with 15.8, for Montreal the warmest overnight average low is 14 in July at Mirabel and 16.1 in July for Pierre.

Chilliwack doesn't have a downtown station, but of course it wont have the same urban heat island power as the big cities, but I willing to bet it is around 1 degree warmer. Toronto's urban station is a low of 18 in July though, so don;t worry, not ignoring that fact.

Overall for many in Canada the summer in Chilliwack is adequately warm / hot, and for many from Alberta and Saskatchewan they will find it quite humid / sticky.

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[SkahHigh]

^wow, great shot. Love the snow-covered trees.

Wish we would have that kind of snow in Montreal right now...

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

^wow, great shot. Love the snow-covered trees.

Wish we would have that kind of snow in Montreal right now...

Alas, that's not snow. It's hoar frost and you guys out east get that more often than we do.

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[GreaterMontréal]

for Montreal the warmest overnight average low is 14 in July at Mirabel

Mirabel ? Mirabel is situated 38 km northwest of downtown Montréal.

Montréal Mcgill - downtown
http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/canada/climate2/Montreal%20McGill.html
Toronto
http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/canada/climate2/Toronto.html

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Chilliwack is not hot and humid in the summer. in July its Daily Minimum is 12.5ºC, while in Toronto or Montréal it's around 18ºC.

I'm not going to get into a massive debate with you over this. but a high in july and august of 25C is hot by Canadian standards.

Heck Toronto only has an average high about 1.5c higher.

Also yes, the south coast of BC (Including chilliwack) is humid. Not Toronto humid (Thats hell anyways), but still humid.

So yes, it DOES have a hot humid summer.

Here is the weather last July

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climateData...frame=2&Year=2015&Month=7&cmdB1=Go&Day=1

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Also apples to apples (airport to airport)

FYI, airport to airport isn't apples to apples.

Apples to apples would be downtown to downtown, for example.

For apples to apples with the weather at Mirabel airport, you should take the Van weather in Squamish, since it's about the same distance from downtown.

But of course it would make no sense to do so, if we can simply get weather data for the city itself... right?

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[lio45]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

I'm not going to get into a massive debate with you over this. but a high in july and august of 25C is hot by Canadian standards.

I'm not saying this to be contrarian, but if it's cooler than the summers most Canadians are experiencing (since two-thirds of them live in Southern Ontario and Southern Quebec), it's not really "hot by Canadian standards", since by definition, a majority of Canadians would find it cooler than what they're used to, not hotter.

Otherwise, if you're just looking at the Canadian landmass, then basically every single populated area of Canada (even places like northern Manitoba) is "hot" compared to temperature values averaged over the entirety of Canadian territory for any given time of year... so it becomes pretty meaningless.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by lio45

FYI, airport to airport isn't apples to apples.

Apples to apples would be downtown to downtown, for example.

For apples to apples with the weather at Mirabel airport, you should take the Van weather in Squamish, since it's about the same distance from downtown.

But of course it would make no sense to do so, if we can simply get weather data for the city itself... right?

Do people even read an original post anymore, if you look closer you will see that i referenced the data from BOTH airports in Montreal:

[/Also apples to apples (airport to airport) the warmest average low for Toronto is July with 15.8, for Montreal the warmest overnight average low is 14 in July at Mirabel and 16.1 in July for Pierre.

Sometimes I feel people will ignore most of a post and cherry pick one little thing simply to start an argument.

And sorry, apples to apples in climatology is airport to airport.

These is explained in in climatology 101 (i know this because i took climatology courses until my third year of university for fun).

Here are some (but not all) of the reasons:

Airports are very similar to one and other, so they offer the best control sites around the world (this is very standard in many scientific fields to have control environments for comparing data).

Airports are flat, so they all have the same aspect (many sites in cities are on slopes, so north / south facing will change your observations).

Airport fields are largely free from heat islands. In urban settings temperatures can swing greatly from one spot to another (beside a park to the heart of an intersection for example).

Airports are free of trees / buildings (shade) which may lower observed daytime highs and rise observed night time lows, not to mention distort precipitation data.

ETC...

Also, as in this case, not every city has an urban weather station, and many urban weather stations that do exist do not meet international weather station standards.

Why is this so hard for so many people to understand? This does not mean that otehr weather stations don't count. They do, and they do give us great windows into more urban living environments or other climatic locations away from airports, but, when doing direct city to city comparisons, airports are the standard.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by lio45

I'm not saying this to be contrarian, but if it's cooler than the summers most Canadians are experiencing (since two-thirds of them live in Southern Ontario and Southern Quebec), it's not really "hot by Canadian standards", since by definition, a majority of Canadians would find it cooler than what they're used to, not hotter.

Otherwise, if you're just looking at the Canadian landmass, then basically every single populated area of Canada (even places like northern Manitoba) is "hot" compared to temperature values averaged over the entirety of Canadian territory for any given time of year... so it becomes pretty meaningless.

Honestly, does this really hurt Eastern Canadian forum members this much that maybe somewhere along coastal BC has summer temperatures, while not as hot, at least in the ballpark range of many urban areas in Canada (including eastern Canada).

Yes, we get it, no one said that it is hotter than Toronto or even Montreal, but it is still humid and quite warm (therefore hot to some) in the Fraser Valley in the summer.

I never knew that the border between hot and cold was exactly just below Toronto and Montreal's exact average summer temperatures.

PS maybe the 4 of us should take this conversation tothe weather thread

[lio45]

FYI, a mere couple days ago we had a Vancouverite pointing out the same thing regarding airports not automatically being apples to apples just by virtue of being airports... (see post quoted below)

Seems common sense to me. We don't know where they are compared to the city. They can be 50 km away, they can be much higher in elevation, etc. If you're comparing two random cities without even bothering to check where the airports are, then for the kind of temperature variation that suffices to typically cause great arguments in here, such a comparison is grossly imprecise.

Airport to airport works okay to compare, say, Moscow in winter to Miami in winter, but then again, instead of insisting on data from the airports (wherever they happen to be within each of the metro areas), you might just grab a random point in each metro area, and it'll do the same.

I'm sorry, but the most 🞵🞵🞵🞵 way to compare data (for lack of a more appropriate word...) is not to stick with airport to airport. I think proper location (i.e. right in the spot whose climate we're debating, not 50 km away) is more important than compliance with a bunch of international standards.

Originally Posted by Prometheus

That said, your numbers are incorrect, in the sense that you are using numbers from the wrong weather stations. You are comparing Toronto International, which is inland and hotter than downtown Toronto, with Vancouver International, which sits on the coast of the Salish Sea and is colder than downtown Vancouver, which lies within the protective confines of Burrard Inlet.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I never knew that the border between hot and cold was exactly just below Toronto and Montreal's exact average summer temperatures.

That's far from my intention. Honestly, in a vacuum, forgetting completely about Canada, I'd say high twenties and more is a decently hot summer, very frequent thirties a truly hot summer, while typical daily highs capped in the low twenties wouldn't be "hot".

Hey, out of pure curiosity, where are the "borders between hot and cold" in Japan, roughly? I guess Hokkaido summers are considered cool-ish, while in the extreme south they're likely considered hot. You're welcome to take these definitions, if you think mine are biased and tailored specifically in order to have Southern Ontario summers be "officially hot" and SW BC summers be "officially not hot".

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by lio45

That's far from my intention. Honestly, in a vacuum, forgetting completely about Canada, I'd say high twenties and more is a decently hot summer, very frequent thirties a truly hot summer, while typical daily highs capped in the low twenties wouldn't be "hot".

Hey, out of pure curiosity, where are the "borders between hot and cold" in Japan, roughly? I guess Hokkaido summers are considered cool-ish, while in the extreme south they're likely considered hot. You're welcome to take these definitions, if you think mine are biased and tailored specifically in order to have Southern Ontario summers be "officially hot" and SW BC summers be "officially not hot".

Interesting.

For me highs below 20 is a cool / cold summer (below 18 is my limit).

20 to 25 is mild rising to a warm summer.

25 to 30 is a decently hot summer rising to hot.

30 and above is just hot.

This is why I feel that the warmest locations of the Fraser Valley are starting to just touch the realm of hot.

Average highs of 24 and 25 are without doubt warm IMO and hot periods are not uncommon.

For me, Osoyoos, with highs of 32 and 31 in July and August is a truly hot place in the summer.

As for Japan, people here tend to hate July and August, they are very hot and humid.

Southern Japan is the hottest of course, but since it is a vacation destination it is given a pass. Most places in populated Japan have average highs between 29 and 32 in July / August and lows just above 20. It is very muggy. This slowly tappers north to Hokkaido, which has average highs ranging from the low 20s on the northern tip to the mid 20s near Sapporo during the summer. There is one little hot spot around kyoto where Japan starts to get a little inland effect, and the average highs are around 33 / 34, Japanese always talk about this being way too hot. Most Japanese actually prefer a Hokkaido summer to the hot summers of the south and it is a popular vacation summer destination. Okinawa is popular in the fall / winter / spring. Hokkaido gets an amazing amount of snow in the winter (averaging 6 meters in Sapporo...)

Again, mods can move this to the weather thread.

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Humidity matters more than temperature. I'd rather do 40 in Osoyoos than 25 in Vancouver.

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[Rumors]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

^wow, great shot. Love the snow-covered trees.

Wish we would have that kind of snow in Montreal right now...

I'm enjoying our snowless winter, no winter boots or heavy winter jackets to put on.

[Darkoshvilli]

Yay, another weather thread!