DENVER | Main Development Thread #6

[comoneymaker]

8am on 12/22 Smithsonian will have its Aerial America Colorado episode.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by CastleScott

Anyone know if Tabor 2 has been cancelled again?

It's still listed as "Future Development" on Callahan's page. So, not cancelled, just not moving forward in any kind of speedy fashion.

[CastleScott]

^ Thanks bro.

[CherryCreek]

..per the state demographer, according to this article.

http://inewsnetwork.org/2015/12/14/a-gro...a-2040-population-of-7-8-million-people/

For Denver Count that's about 180K more than we have now. Also, that's some serious density in Arapahoe County!

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by CherryCreek

..per the state demographer, according to this article.

http://inewsnetwork.org/2015/12/14/a-gro...a-2040-population-of-7-8-million-people/

For Denver Count that's about 180K more than we have now. Also, that's some serious density in Arapahoe County!

That's pretty interesting. Historically, the SE has always been a favored area and Arapahoe County wraps Denver from the south to the east. Can you not envision just a total sea of 8-story residential properties south of Hampden Ave. to Belleview from Broadway to I-25? Best trail in the metro area.

Also, Arapahoe County has three light rail lines running through it.

[bunt_q]

Or a sea of sprawl east to Kansas. Arapahoe County isn't exactly landlocked.

[The Dirt]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're not going to zone for anything over 3 stories outside of a 1/4 mile radius of a rail station.

[transistor]

Hey dudes, I've been lurking for a while but finally decided to register an account.

I just want to point out that in my opinion, no matter how urban Denver becomes, residential parking spots will always be a requirement due to how much we love the outdoors. Unless they somehow manage to create a non-automotive way to access to the limitless hiking areas and ski resorts, I will always require a car while living in Denver. I mean honestly if it wasn't for the mountains, Denver may as well be Omaha.

[pablosan]

As hard as it is to believe, many people don't hike, or ski, or take a leisurely drive up into the mountains. People drive, because of sprawl, and the auto-centric nature of our society. Providing other methods of effective transportation, and the continued densification of our metropolitan area will gradually change peoples' perceptions.That however, will never happen in my lifetime.

[rds70]

It looks like Shorenstein is moving forward with the project at 1709 Chestnut.

The project now shows up on their website, and the first permits for foundation work have been submitted to the city.

http://shorenstein.com/portfolio/investments/portfolio-listings?type=residential

[CPVLIVE]

Originally Posted by rds70

It looks like Shorenstein is moving forward with the project at 1709 Chestnut.

The project now shows up on their website, and the first permits for foundation work have been submitted to the city.

http://shorenstein.com/portfolio/investments/portfolio-listings?type=residential

I noticed a lot of vehicles there this morning - they appeared to be installing power around the site.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by transistor

Hey dudes, I've been lurking for a while but finally decided to register an account.

I just want to point out that in my opinion, no matter how urban Denver becomes, residential parking spots will always be a requirement due to how much we love the outdoors. Unless they somehow manage to create a non-automotive way to access to the limitless hiking areas and ski resorts, I will always require a car while living in Denver. I mean honestly if it wasn't for the mountains, Denver may as well be Omaha.

Yet some people don't have cars. Even some people with plenty of money. That's a fact.

It's a fair bet that as Denver urbanizes, more people won't have cars.

Sometimes I feel like the most optimistic commenter on the Denver forum. But I'm sure that given the chance Denver will follow numerous other cities and build less and even zero parking with some of its urban projects.

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by mhays

Yet some people don't have cars. Even some people with plenty of money. That's a fact.

It's a fair bet that as Denver urbanizes, more people won't have cars.

Sometimes I feel like the most optimistic commenter on the Denver forum. But I'm sure that given the chance Denver will follow numerous other cities and build less and even zero parking with some of its urban projects.

I don't think that's optimistic at all. I don't want a bunch of people who don't want to be in the mountains. If you aren't at all concerned about how you'll get to a remote trailhead, please, don't live here. We have coasts for people like that. Denver is nice because of access to both worlds. We'll never be the best city for the best urban experience, and I am perfectly okay with that.

Also, we set building requirements for what most people do. The vast majority of people here own cars, so I support continuing to have some parking for those cars.

We have plenty of people in this town who don't bathe too. Doesn't mean I'm going to let a developer skip on providing showers.

[CONative]

Originally Posted by comoneymaker

8am on 12/22 Smithsonian will have its Aerial America Colorado episode.

You can just watch it on YouTube. I watched it last week actually.

[Stonemans_rowJ]

Originally Posted by transistor

Hey dudes, I've been lurking for a while but finally decided to register an account.

I just want to point out that in my opinion, no matter how urban Denver becomes, residential parking spots will always be a requirement due to how much we love the outdoors. Unless they somehow manage to create a non-automotive way to access to the limitless hiking areas and ski resorts, I will always require a car while living in Denver. I mean honestly if it wasn't for the mountains, Denver may as well be Omaha.

Carshare enables you to use a car when you need to, but not own one.

While there's lots of people like you who will never give up personal ownerhip of their cars, there are also a growing contingent of people who are living car light or car free (bear in mind car free does not mean you never drive. It just means you don't own one). It's definitely disruptive to big auto, and it seems they are taking note...

[Stonemans_rowJ]

Originally Posted by bcp

Car ownership won't go down much in CO....but the number of daily trips, miles driven, and overall reliance go down as we densify - ultimately this does lead to needing less off street spaces overall.

Welcome transistor.

I just don't agree with this. It won't go down much maybe as a percentage overall in Colorado, but I believe it will in Denver proper, only because the private and public sectors are putting in infrastructure to make this possible. Transit investments, bike and ped infrastructure, as many car shares as any city in North America, Uber friendly, Lyft, etc. etc.

It's a young city and that demographic is most likely to give up a car if they can still get around as easily.

It's hard to imagine this now, but $5/gallon or $8/gallon changes lifestyles...

People make decisions with their wallets.

[Stonemans_rowJ]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

I don't think that's optimistic at all. I don't want a bunch of people who don't want to be in the mountains. If you aren't at all concerned about how you'll get to a remote trailhead, please, don't live here. We have coasts for people like that. Denver is nice because of access to both worlds. We'll never be the best city for the best urban experience, and I am perfectly okay with that.

Also, we set building requirements for what most people do. The vast majority of people here own cars, so I support continuing to have some parking for those cars.

We have plenty of people in this town who don't bathe too. Doesn't mean I'm going to let a developer skip on providing showers.

I can't tell you the amount of natives I have met who have never skied.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

I don't think that's optimistic at all. I don't want a bunch of people who don't want to be in the mountains. If you aren't at all concerned about how you'll get to a remote trailhead, please, don't live here. We have coasts for people like that. Denver is nice because of access to both worlds. We'll never be the best city for the best urban experience, and I am perfectly okay with that.

Also, we set building requirements for what most people do. The vast majority of people here own cars, so I support continuing to have some parking for those cars.

We have plenty of people in this town who don't bathe too. Doesn't mean I'm going to let a developer skip on providing showers.

I'm trying to figure out whether you're joking or serious!

[transistor]

Originally Posted by Stonemans_rowJ

I can't tell you the amount of natives I have met who have never skied.

I have met these people too, it baffles me that they exist. Imagine if you lived in Florida and never went to the beach. On the other hand I guess the expense associated with the beach is generally much lower than a ski trip, so maybe I am looking at this through a lens of privilege.

[CastleScott]

^ I'm a native and I quit skiing because mostly of the traffic mess getting up and down I-70, the lost time siting in traffic wasn't worth a few hours of fun.

Oh welcome aboard transistor!