PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX

[Randomguy34]

Hello! I decided to introduce myself now so that tensions in the forum have gone down. I am Randomguy34 and I am a forumer from the Chicago thread. I'm in the Philadelphia area now for college and wanted to say hello to all of you since I'm going to be in the Philly area for the next 4 years. I hope that the city becomes another home for me.

Also, I guess this is a message directed to everyone in the Philly thread, but you guys should stop having to compare yourselves to New York and Chicago. Philadelphia is such a beautiful and wonderful city that I have much love for. Why do you guys view your own city with such negativity? Back home, we realize all the problems we have and have much annoyment at our city at times, but we still love our city because we also recognize the good and positivity in our city. I'm tired of seeing this idea of the Negadelphian. I did not decide to come to Philly for college because I wanted a place that reminded me of Chicago or New York. If I wanted that, I could have just gone to college back home. I came to Philly so that I could see the soul of its streets. You guys have a beautiful city and should be more proud of that. Philadelphia is Philadelphia, and I am glad about that.

[Philly-Drew]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Hello! I decided to introduce myself now so that tensions in the forum have gone down. I am Randomguy34 and I am a forumer from the Chicago thread. I'm in the Philadelphia area now for college and wanted to say hello to all of you since I'm going to be in the Philly area for the next 4 years. I hope that the city becomes another home for me.

Also, I guess this is a message directed to everyone in the Philly thread, but you guys should stop having to compare yourselves to New York and Chicago. Philadelphia is such a beautiful and wonderful city that I have much love for. Why do you guys view your own city with such negativity? Back home, we realize all the problems we have and have much annoyment at our city at times, but we still love our city because we also recognize the good and positivity in our city. I'm tired of seeing this idea of the Negadelphian. I did not decide to come to Philly for college because I wanted a place that reminded me of Chicago or New York. If I wanted that, I could have just gone to college back home. I came to Philly so that I could see the soul of its streets. You guys have a beautiful city and should be more proud of that. Philadelphia is Philadelphia, and I am glad about that.

[PhilliesPhan]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Hello! I decided to introduce myself now so that tensions in the forum have gone down. I am Randomguy34 and I am a forumer from the Chicago thread. I'm in the Philadelphia area now for college and wanted to say hello to all of you since I'm going to be in the Philly area for the next 4 years. I hope that the city becomes another home for me.

Also, I guess this is a message directed to everyone in the Philly thread, but you guys should stop having to compare yourselves to New York and Chicago. Philadelphia is such a beautiful and wonderful city that I have much love for. Why do you guys view your own city with such negativity? Back home, we realize all the problems we have and have much annoyment at our city at times, but we still love our city because we also recognize the good and positivity in our city. I'm tired of seeing this idea of the Negadelphian. I did not decide to come to Philly for college because I wanted a place that reminded me of Chicago or New York. If I wanted that, I could have just gone to college back home. I came to Philly so that I could see the soul of its streets. You guys have a beautiful city and should be more proud of that. Philadelphia is Philadelphia, and I am glad about that.

I agree with you to the fullest!

Hopefully, the Negadelphian attitude will eventually die off. As a 20 year old, I have a super-positive, highly optimistic view of Philadelphia. People, both Philadelphians and outsiders, do love to compare us to New York and Chicago; however, we have assets that make our city unique and beautiful. I have been hard-pressed to find another city where I can have a view of a beautiful, modern skyline from a stately 18th Century mansion. What other American city (admittedly, I have never been to Boston) has a mixture of tall, dense buildings and rowhomes in the same CBD? The assets that Philly has sets it apart from other major cities.

I truly realized the full extent of Philly's beauty when I stopped comparing it to New York. As a kid growing up in West Philly during the early-mid 2000s, I thought that Philly was a boring city. At that point in my life, I thought that I would ditch the Delaware Valley for New York City when I would eventually grow up. Now, as a 20 year old, I realize that Philly is the city that I want to call home for the foreseeable future. Philly is experiencing a revitalization that is transforming the city into something spectacular. On top of that, the urbanity, the rowhomes, the street life, and the feel of the city make me want to stay here after I finish college.

Welcome to Philadelphia! I hope you will enjoy it as much as I already do!

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Hello! I decided to introduce myself now so that tensions in the forum have gone down. I am Randomguy34 and I am a forumer from the Chicago thread. I'm in the Philadelphia area now for college and wanted to say hello to all of you since I'm going to be in the Philly area for the next 4 years. I hope that the city becomes another home for me.

Also, I guess this is a message directed to everyone in the Philly thread, but you guys should stop having to compare yourselves to New York and Chicago. Philadelphia is such a beautiful and wonderful city that I have much love for. Why do you guys view your own city with such negativity? Back home, we realize all the problems we have and have much annoyment at our city at times, but we still love our city because we also recognize the good and positivity in our city. I'm tired of seeing this idea of the Negadelphian. I did not decide to come to Philly for college because I wanted a place that reminded me of Chicago or New York. If I wanted that, I could have just gone to college back home. I came to Philly so that I could see the soul of its streets. You guys have a beautiful city and should be more proud of that. Philadelphia is Philadelphia, and I am glad about that.

Welcome! It will be nice to have your contributions for the next four years. And well said

[hammersklavier]

Welcome! You'll find a lot of us Philly posters got started here when we were in college. Summersm and I are both Temple alums IIRC (who knows, I might have misremembered where I spent my undergrad days), for example. I'm pretty sure there are also Penn and Drexel folks on this board. Heck, I even know a Swarthmore dropout involved in urban issues.

Philly is the #2 city in the Northeast and the largest Mid-Atlantic city, and one of the cool things that comes with being the largest city of a distinct pre-Industrial Revolution cultural region is you get your own vernacular (or two). One of my favorite parts about the way we're redeveloping is how well redevelopments fit into the city's established vernacular.

[1487]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

Welcome! You'll find a lot of us Philly posters got started here when we were in college. Summersm and I are both Temple alums IIRC (who knows, I might have misremembered where I spent my undergrad days), for example. I'm pretty sure there are also Penn and Drexel folks on this board. Heck, I even know a Swarthmore dropout involved in urban issues.

Philly is the #2 city in the Northeast and the largest Mid-Atlantic city, and one of the cool things that comes with being the largest city of a distinct pre-Industrial Revolution cultural region is you get your own vernacular (or two). One of my favorite parts about the way we're redeveloping is how well redevelopments fit into the city's established vernacular.

Philly is second largest city on the east coast and 2nd largest east of Chicago. I personally don't understand why people (well certain kinds of people) are obsessed with NYC. It has 8 million people and has little in common with 95% of the US. It's more like Hong Kong or Singapore than philadelphia.

[MikeNigh]

Originally Posted by 1487

Philly is second largest city on the east coast and 2nd largest east of Chicago. I personally don't understand why people (well certain kinds of people) are obsessed with NYC. It has 8 million people and has little in common with 95% of the US. It's more like Hong Kong or Singapore than philadelphia.

Philly will always have a smaller thing going on however it won't always have less amenities than NYC. Philly is closing in on being able to provide what most of the average people care about living in NYC. Every time I go to NYC I see less and less reason one would have to move from philly for.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by MikeNigh

Philly will always have a smaller thing going on however it won't always have less amenities than NYC. Philly is closing in on being able to provide what most of the average people care about living in NYC. Every time I go to NYC I see less and less reason one would have to move from philly for.

It's been several weeks since I read the article, but I recall a statistic that Philadelphia's largest "immigrant" population is ex-New Yorkers. They seem to get it.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Hello! I decided to introduce myself now so that tensions in the forum have gone down. I am Randomguy34 and I am a forumer from the Chicago thread. I'm in the Philadelphia area now for college and wanted to say hello to all of you since I'm going to be in the Philly area for the next 4 years. I hope that the city becomes another home for me.

Also, I guess this is a message directed to everyone in the Philly thread, but you guys should stop having to compare yourselves to New York and Chicago. Philadelphia is such a beautiful and wonderful city that I have much love for. Why do you guys view your own city with such negativity? Back home, we realize all the problems we have and have much annoyment at our city at times, but we still love our city because we also recognize the good and positivity in our city. I'm tired of seeing this idea of the Negadelphian. I did not decide to come to Philly for college because I wanted a place that reminded me of Chicago or New York. If I wanted that, I could have just gone to college back home. I came to Philly so that I could see the soul of its streets. You guys have a beautiful city and should be more proud of that. Philadelphia is Philadelphia, and I am glad about that.

Welcome and well said. I love Chicago by the way. It's been 9 years since I was last there, but I really got to know it as it was in the Eighties and Nineties thanks to my sister living in Chicagoland for almost 20 years and spending my undergraduate days not too far from there. I can remember being a real jerk as my brother-in-law first showed me around the town as a young teenager. I was constantly making comparisons with Philly. I managed to come across as arrogant and insecure at the same time. I'm now OK with the fact that Philly didn't invent deep-dish pizza.

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

Welcome and well said. I love Chicago by the way. It's been 9 years since I was last there, but I really got to know it as it was in the Eighties and Nineties thanks to my sister living in Chicagoland for almost 20 years and spending my undergraduate days not too far from there. I can remember being a real jerk as my brother-in-law first showed me around the town as a young teenager. I was constantly making comparisons with Philly. I managed to come across as arrogant and insecure at the same time. I'm now OK with the fact that Philly didn't invent deep-dish pizza.

BTW...deep-dish pizza overrated.
Philly cheesesteak any day of the week...LOL.

[skyscraper]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Hello! I decided to introduce myself now so that tensions in the forum have gone down. I am Randomguy34 and I am a forumer from the Chicago thread. I'm in the Philadelphia area now for college and wanted to say hello to all of you since I'm going to be in the Philly area for the next 4 years. I hope that the city becomes another home for me.

Also, I guess this is a message directed to everyone in the Philly thread, but you guys should stop having to compare yourselves to New York and Chicago. Philadelphia is such a beautiful and wonderful city that I have much love for. Why do you guys view your own city with such negativity? Back home, we realize all the problems we have and have much annoyment at our city at times, but we still love our city because we also recognize the good and positivity in our city. I'm tired of seeing this idea of the Negadelphian. I did not decide to come to Philly for college because I wanted a place that reminded me of Chicago or New York. If I wanted that, I could have just gone to college back home. I came to Philly so that I could see the soul of its streets. You guys have a beautiful city and should be more proud of that. Philadelphia is Philadelphia, and I am glad about that.

Shut the fuck up and go back where you came from. We don't need this kind of attitude around here.

Just kidding, welcome.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

BTW...deep-dish pizza overrated.
Philly cheesesteak any day of the week...LOL.

You should see what they did to cheesesteaks out there, if you could even find something like one. It was a culinary act of war (e.g. with cream cheese on french bread).

[McBane]

Originally Posted by summersm343

New Development Update - Over 10 floors

Completed Since 2013

Evo at Cira Centre South – luxury apartments/retail – 33 floors – 430 feet
2116 Chestnut – luxury apartments/retail – 34 floors – 379 feet
3601 Market – luxury apartments/retail – 28 floors – 320 feet
Morgan Hall – Temple University dormitory/retail – 27 floors – 312 feet
Penn Medicine South Tower– office/medical/research/academic – 19 floors – 302 ft
Buerger Center for Advanced Pediatric Care – medical/retail – 14 floors – 292 feet
The Summit – Drexel University Dormitory/retail – 25 floors – 279 feet
3737 Chestnut – luxury apartments/retail – 25 floors – 278 feet
Family Court Building – Government/court/municipal – 15 floors – 265 feet
Penn Medicine at Washington Square – office/retail – 18 floors – 260 feet
3737 Market – office/retail – 13 floors – 221 feet
Chestnut Square – luxury apartments/retail – 19 floors – 210 feet
The View at Montgomery – luxury apartments/retail – 14 floors
1900 Arch – luxury apartments/commercial/retail – 14 floors
Drexel University LeBow College of Business – academic – 13 floors
2040 Market – luxury apartments/commercial/retail – 13 floors
AQ Rittenhouse – luxury apartments/retail – 12 floors


Under Construction

Comcast Innovation & Technology Center – office/hotel/retail – 59 floors – 1,121 ft
FMC Tower at Cira Centre South – office/residential/retail – 49 floors – 730 feet
500 Walnut – luxury condos/retail – 26 floors – 380 feet
Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia at 700 Schuylkill – office – 23 floors – 375 feet
1601 Vine – luxury apartments/retail – 32 floors – 370 feet
1919 Market – luxury apartments/office/commercial/retail – 29 floors – 337 feet
East Market – luxury apartments/retail – 21 floors – 281 feet
One Riverside – luxury condos – 22 floors – 260 feet
205 Race – luxury apartments/retail – 17 floors
One Water Street – luxury apartments – 16 floors
Museum Towers II – luxury apartments – 16 floors
1527 Walnut – luxury apartments/retail – 12 floors
The Study at University City – hotel/retail – 10 floors
Dalian on the Park – luxury apartments/commercial/retail – 10 floors


Site Prep

SLS International Hotel and Residences – hotel/luxury condos - 47 floors – 590 feet
W & Element by Westin – two hotels/retail – 52 floors – 582 feet
1900 Chestnut – luxury apartments/retail – 32 floors – 406 feet
Penn New Patient Pavilion – medical/research – 21 floors – 325 feet
1213 Walnut – luxury apartments/retail – 27 floors – 294 feet
2400 Market – luxury apartments/office/retail – 20 floors – 250 feet

It seems like we’re witnessing one of the most skyline-altering construction booms in the city's recent history.

The period between 1987 and 1990 – I’m not sure will ever be surpassed. That boom literally redefined the skyline:

1 & 2 Liberty Place
Mellon Bank Building
Bell Atlantic Building
IBX Building
1 Commerce Square

That’s six buildings over 500 feet tall, all having a major visible impact on the skyline. Moreover, those six built would remain the city’s tallest for roughly three decades, a remarkably long time. Also, what make this period so important was that all the construction was office.

The 2007-09 period was great, too. From memory, we got:

Comcast Center
Cira Center
Residences at the Ritz
Murano
10 Rittenhouse
Waterfront Square
Symphony House

That’s a new tallest building, a new tallest building in University City, and a new tallest residential tower. Many of these buildings made a visible mark on the skyline.

The 2013-16 period was decent but didn’t really produce anything especially tall or extremely visible (except EVO). But it did represent a major expansion of the skyline - remarkably, six of the top seven tallest built in this period were outside of Center City.

But now, with everything that’s under construction or going to break ground soon, this period could come close to the late 80’s boom. Highlights include another new tallest, a 700 footer in University City, and what could be three buildings close to 600 feet in height. Plus, we’ll be getting a host of buildings, that, due to their locations, will be highly visible from many angles: One Water Street, One Riverside, CHOP Tower, 1601 Vine, and if you want to count it – the two buildings proposed for the Camden waterfront. In addition, the Science Center is booming; 19th and Market got developed; and Market East is finally turning a corner. Wow.

p.s., Chicago is a great city. And so is Philly. Deep dish pizza rules!

[Knight Hospitaller]

^^^ and don't forget the rumors of a supertall Cira II (if they turn out to be true).

[summersm343]

PS - for anyone not aware. 1911 Walnut renderings have been posted in the thread for it here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=205052&page=21




Thanks to Arch+Eng for the renderings and more coming thanks to ConstructStudent. Tower will be 600 feet and 51 or 52 floors.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by summersm343

PS - for anyone not aware. 1911 Walnut renderings have been posted in the thread for it here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=205052&page=21




Thanks to Arch+Eng for the renderings and more coming thanks to ConstructStudent. Tower will be 600 feet and 51 or 52 floors.

May this one come true and the real estate market stay strong!

[1487]

Originally Posted by MikeNigh

Philly will always have a smaller thing going on however it won't always have less amenities than NYC. Philly is closing in on being able to provide what most of the average people care about living in NYC. Every time I go to NYC I see less and less reason one would have to move from philly for.

Ive thought about that before. Its like getting 90% of New York for 50% of the price.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by 1487

Ive thought about that before. Its like getting 90% of New York for 50% of the price.

25% of the price.

You forget the median price of a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan is now $1,000,000.

To live alone in a rental, you're looking at a minimum of $2,500 a month in Manhattan (for a studio), usually more, or $1,600-$2,000 in Brooklyn.

Some parts of Brooklyn are now more expensive than Manhattan.

Anyways, you get the point.

[1487]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

25% of the price.

You forget the median price of a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan is now $1,000,000.

To live alone in a rental, you're looking at a minimum of $2,500 a month in Manhattan (for a studio), usually more, or $1,600-$2,000 in Brooklyn.

Some parts of Brooklyn are now more expensive than Manhattan.

Anyways, you get the point.

yes I recently saw something on Curbed about rents in NY and low vacancy rates. I think the median apartment rent in Manhattan was approaching 4k and it was well over 3k in Brooklyn. The article said the price pressure is worst at the lower end because thats all people can hope to afford but the high demand means smaller units are increasing in price faster than the overall market. I think 1BR average in Manhattan was around $2700

[Outta here]

Great news about 1911 , beautiful building . Also just heard a group of investors put up $600,000 to save
the SS United States from being sold for scrap . Their hope is to gain support and turn
it into a museum .