CHICAGO | Highrise Projects & Construction, v7 - Page 79

VKChaz · #**1561** Posted **Nov 13, 2015, 9:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Other than some of the finer properties in the Gold Coast (most of which probably will never be demo'd anyhow), I actually think that much of the low rise building stock north of the river will be doomed as our nascent midtown Manhattan comes into its own.

Not sure what you have in mind by a "midtown," but I would think most of the high-density growth in the long-term would end up south rather than north.

the urban politician · #**1562** Posted **Nov 13, 2015, 9:09 PM**

^ I think most of the highrise growth in Chicago will be in River North/Streeterville as we are already seeing.

ardecila · #**1563** Posted **Nov 13, 2015, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by bcp

This a good example of where the city should be proactive for spot preservation, but not necessarily landmark status.

It sets a tricky precedent...but it opens developers to think "hey if I don't demolish I can get some extras in height, density, parking redux". That's a good thing.

Is there anybody that would object to taller on this site in exchange for wrapping the Hunter building instead of demo? C shaped hotels work well.

Not sure what you mean by a C-shaped plan. The Hunter Building spans from Wells to Financial. Preserving the Hunter building requires making the whole hotel shorter in the N-S direction. Bridging over it like the Dwight Building will not be financially feasible.

Parking is driving this whole design - you can exit right off the Eisenhower and right into the parking garage of the Holiday Inn. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan completely omitted ground floor retail in favor of more parking behind a screen wall.

ithakas · #**1564** Posted **Nov 13, 2015, 9:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by ardecila

C shaped plans do not, however, work well for parking podiums. Parking is driving this whole design - you can exit right off the Eisenhower and right into the parking garage of the Holiday Inn. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan completely omitted ground floor retail in favor of more parking behind a screen wall.

Hopefully you guys are right about this developer's track record and these proposal don't come to fruition. Wells could develop into a really nice gateway into the Loop from the Post Office/Congress, but not with this taking up a full block. In its current form, this would be more appropriate for the Canal/Taylor St. area.

Ned.B · #**1565** Posted **Nov 13, 2015, 9:32 PM**

^^How would they do a C shaped plan? The Hunter Building goes all the way through the block to Financial Place, across which is yet another parking lot. I'm not saying that it would be great if they just leave this very solid building be, especially given the abundance of empty space around it; just saying that it would be impossible to do one new building on this block with demoing some of the existing building.

spyguy · #**1566** Posted **Nov 13, 2015, 11:15 PM**

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Alderman Reilly invites you to join him at a public presentation regarding a development proposal for the property located at 300 W. Huron Street.

Representatives of the JFJ Development Company team will present their plans and answer questions you may have about the proposal. The applicant has submitted a proposal for the development of a 24-story 71 dwelling unit residential building with approximately 16,000 square feet of retail space. The building will provide 71 individual parking spaces. Of those 71 spaces, 57 will have the ability to accommodate a lift for residents needing parking for two cars. The site is currently undeveloped.

WHAT: 300 W. Huron Street

WHO: Hosted by Alderman Brendan Reilly and
River North Residents Association (RNRA)

WHEN: Monday, November 30, 2015 at 6:00pm

WHERE: The Godfrey Hotel (Truss Room)
127 W. Huron Street
Chicago, Illinois 60654

Seems like a lot of parking and not a lot of units/height for such a large and well located parcel....Does anyone still have the renderings from when I think B+L designed something here a looong time ago?

sage · #**1567** Posted **Nov 14, 2015, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by marothisu

Hotel proposed for 181 N Clark:

When I told my friend about this proposal her response was "Yeah, I'm into fitness hotels. Fitness hotel right on top of a parking garage..."

the urban politician · #**1568** Posted **Nov 14, 2015, 1:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by spyguy

Seems like a lot of parking and not a lot of units/height for such a large and well located parcel....Does anyone still have the renderings from when I think B+L designed something here a looong time ago?

^ This is probably going to be a condo building.

It appears that since the recession, rental buildings have undergone a "correction" of sorts where developers are realizing they can build a lot less parking into their buildings.

Condos, however, with such little new inventory in the past 7-8 years, are still following the "old rules", these are the old parking ratios that worked for developers and lenders in the early 2000s. Why mess with that old parking formula especially when we are still dipping our toes in the water?

At some point, though, as the lending environment loosens up with condo buildings, and as city living keeps becoming more popular, I wonder if even condo buildings will begin to contain a lower parking ratio? It may take another 5-10 years but eventually I see that happening. Condos may still always demand more parking than apartments, but the current 1:1 or even 2:1 ratio that we are presently seeing seems a bit excessive.

The Lurker · #**1569** Posted **Nov 14, 2015, 4:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by sage

Fitness hotel right on top of a parking garage..."

Better than a parking garage I suppose...

There is a project that was just launched in Detroit called the Griswold that plops five floors of apartments atop a ten level parking structure. I don't really understand the advantage over building on a vacant lot there, but with vacant lots ever evaporating here its not a bad model to raise profits on these lots without causing major uproar by automobile patrons. Cars arent going away anytime soon. I say cap them all before somebody tries to build ten stories of parking on top of a 12 story garage.

Notyrview · #**1570** Posted **Nov 15, 2015, 1:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by sage

When I told my friend about this proposal her response was "Yeah, I'm into fitness hotels. Fitness hotel right on top of a parking garage..."

Lol. Yea. what a half-baked proposal. I hope this doesn't happen.

SamInTheLoop · #**1571** Posted **Nov 15, 2015, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by spyguy

Seems like a lot of parking and not a lot of units/height for such a large and well located parcel....Does anyone still have the renderings from when I think B+L designed something here a looong time ago?

I remember that one very well.....can't seem to track down the rendering though......I wonder who the developer was of that proposal? I don't think it would have been JFJ, but could be wrong......JFJ's track record on design of their projects seems mixed at best.......although at least in the past, they worked a lot with Hartshorne and Plunkard, so if they're still so inclined, that could be a good sign, as HPA's work these days is quite nice.....

As others have said, this is very likely condo (relatively small number of units)............so not that dense, unfortunately, but at least it seems to have a decent amount of ground floor-retail...........I wonder how large of a NIMBY presence will turn out for this one......

SamInTheLoop · #**1572** Posted **Nov 15, 2015, 4:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by spyguy

Not a huge fan of either proposal, really. Beitler generally has a poor track record these days, so I'm not going to pay much attention to these until there's financing in place and construction begins.

I've got to agree with you here. Neither of these is really stirring my soul. Good point on Beitler......in fact, I wonder if the last downtown project he did was in fact the garage on Clark (with Walgreens at base)........that was quite a while ago (I remember it going up very well)....and it was a freakin' garage! He used to be a major downtown developer......

On the South Loop proposal, is that parking at the base of the hotel (appears to me as though it very well could be)? If so, that's crazy - what in the world would they need so much parking for - for a downtown hotel?! That would be completely uncalled for......

SamInTheLoop · #**1573** Posted **Nov 15, 2015, 4:23 PM**

Gear up: NIMBYs Right around here are obnoxious!

from Everyblock.....Ald Burns will be here:

Mon, Nov 30, 2015
06:00 PM
Columbia College Chicago, 33 E. Congress Parkway

Two projects will be presented to the public

1101 S. Wabash Avenue
Developer:
11th Street Wabash, LLC

1136 S. Wabash Avenue
Developer: Keith Giles
Attorney: Rolando Acosta

Columbia College Chicago, 33 E. Congress Parkway

BVictor1 · #**1574** Posted **Nov 16, 2015, 12:59 AM**

^Damn..... Two community meetings on the 30th and only one me... What to do?

Perhaps the 4th Ward meeting, as there are two projects being presented.

ChickeNES · #**1575** Posted **Nov 16, 2015, 6:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

I remember that one very well.....can't seem to track down the rendering though......I wonder who the developer was of that proposal? I don't think it would have been JFJ, but could be wrong......JFJ's track record on design of their projects seems mixed at best.......although at least in the past, they worked a lot with Hartshorne and Plunkard, so if they're still so inclined, that could be a good sign, as HPA's work these days is quite nice.....

As others have said, this is very likely condo (relatively small number of units)............so not that dense, unfortunately, but at least it seems to have a decent amount of ground floor-retail...........I wonder how large of a NIMBY presence will turn out for this one......

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24-story condo tower proposed in River North
Ryan Ori - November 16, 2015 - Crain's Chicago Business
A Chicago developer wants to build a 24-story condominium tower in River North, floating its plan as downtown condo prices near pre-bust levels.

Chicago-based JFJ Development is proposing a 71-unit building on an undeveloped lot at 300 W. Huron St., according to an email Ald. Brendan Reilly (42nd) sent to constituents Nov. 13.

The project would include 16,000 square feet of retail and 71 parking spaces, according to Reilly's email. Of those, 57 would include a lift for residents needing to park a second car.

JFJ's founder and president, Jon Zitzman, confirmed plans for a condo building on the site but declined to discuss his plans. JFJ's previous developments include projects in River North and Lakeview, according to the firm's website. JFJ also was a partner in the Harper Court mixed-use project in Hyde Park.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/reale...fj-development

spyguy · #**1576** Posted **Nov 16, 2015, 7:31 PM**

831 Emerson, Evanston - revised design
163'6" tall

ardecila · #**1577** Posted **Nov 16, 2015, 8:56 PM**

Yuck. The first design was elegant and refined.

This thing looks like an airport hotel that's trying too hard to be trendy. It will look horribly dated in 5 years.

BVictor1 · #**1578** Posted **Nov 17, 2015, 4:03 AM**

527 S. Wells.

was this posted here?

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2...he-south-loop/

I'm not for demolishing this...

harryc · #**1579** Posted **Nov 17, 2015, 4:11 AM**

marothisu · #**1580** Posted **Nov 17, 2015, 4:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by BVictor1

527 S. Wells.

was this posted here?

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2...he-south-loop/

I'm not for demolishing this...

It's already been mentioned - discussed for a few pages all together with the other hotel proposal. I like that building - the parking lots on both sides suck though. Wish there was a way to just build on the south lot - ultimately this is supposed to take up the entire thing including both lots.