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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:29 PM
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^ LOL!

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Hotel proposed for 181 N Clark:

Wasn't the twin to Chicago Title and Trust Center supposed to go here? I wasn't expecting that twin to ever go up but this 'put a hotel on it' strategy is quite a bit less than I had hoped for.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:35 PM
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Also, I noticed on Tues that the 12 story Webster Square building has topped-out.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:36 PM
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We are fitness hotel.
You will attend 6:30 AM spin class.
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OMG, the top portion of that hotel is a Borg cube!!
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:40 PM
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Not a huge fan of either proposal, really. Beitler generally has a poor track record these days, so I'm not going to pay much attention to these until there's financing in place and construction begins.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:42 PM
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^I agree. The 181 N. Clark proposal especially is very....Apparel Mart-ish in it's weirdness.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:43 PM
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Wasn't the twin to Chicago Title and Trust Center supposed to go here?
that was my understanding as well

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I wasn't expecting that twin to ever go up but this 'put a hotel on it' strategy is quite a bit less than I had hoped for.
ditto
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 4:56 PM
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The Montogomery isn't going anywhere. A very cool building, IMO.

This lot is between Hudson and Kingsbury on Chicago.

Pics of the development here: http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140429/...r-housing-retail-development-river-north
Isn't the Monkey Wards building a condo building?
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^I agree. The 181 N. Clark proposal especially is very....Apparel Mart-ish in it's weirdness.
I mean, that parking garage isn't half bad compared to many. I think the proposal would look better if the addition was 2-3x taller.

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oi...that sucks, seems they could build around and integrate the Joe's building.
Yeah, it would be nice if they made the building U-shaped to wrap around the old building. I think there was a proposal a while back in River North that wrapped around an existing building, but I can't remember any specifics.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 5:26 PM
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oi...that sucks, seems they could build around and integrate the Joe's building.
Feels like someone mixed up their notes. The intent should have been to build over and around that building while tearing down the garage. :-)
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 5:55 PM
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I mean, that parking garage isn't half bad compared to many. I think the proposal would look better if the addition was 2-3x taller.
Now that you bring it up - I totally agree. If that thing was a 30+ story addition, it would look way better.
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^I really don't want the Hunter Building demolished. I really would like this one to go taller on the larger open lot, but as they would come up against a PD threshold at 390', not too likely. It's obvious they want to go as-of-right to avoid the extra time and expense of the PD route. As mentioned above, it's Beitler so neither one may get built.

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because this city is a joke sometimes, and historic preservation is merely lip service. a beautifully built, human scaled,100+ year old home dosent stand a chance against a big shiny souless blue box. cause, ya know....progress

if the citizens of the city dont care about these kinds of losses than i suppose we get what we deserve. the side streets in this neighborhood are already the worst sort of outdoor shopping mall imaginable so go ahead, finish off the job.
It's a little silly to put the blame of the pending State/Huron demolitions on the citizens or the Landmarks Commission. Yes, historic preservation in this town is far weaker than it should be, especially after watching the charade involving Prentice Hospital; but really what do you expect in River North?

These buildings have no formal protection and with some of the highest base zoning in the city already in place, its only a matter of time. I do believe the time for a conversation about landmarking what remains in River North is past due; but with land values what they are, Landmarks would need solid ground to defend any overlay district covering land owners who would challenge it in court, although having an orange rating when the building was purchased would work against such a challenge. These buildings, while now rare in River North probably don't fit the criteria for landmarking, unless the property owner was on board with doing so and initiated it. They are however orange rated, but that doesn't spare them the wrecking ball, just a delay with a review. A review that would need a very compelling argument to deny the issuance of the permit.

I know Friedman blocked additional landmarking of River North years ago because of his large inventory of buildings, but perhaps there would be a push from area residents to start up the conversion again. Certinly could work to favor all parties involved as there would be additional opportunities for adapt-a-landmark bonuses for developers if official city landmarks did get designated, protected light/view corridors above protected buildings for area residnets and tax breaks for owners of historic properties.
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It's a little silly to put the blame of the pending State/Huron demolitions on the citizens or the Landmarks Commission. Yes, historic preservation in this town is far weaker than it should be, especially after watching the charade involving Prentice Hospital; but really what do you expect in River North?
I think most people dont even know these sorts of buildings are being lost. The pace of development when we hit these booms is breakneck, and even as someone who frequents a niche forum like this its nearly impossible to keep up with everything thats going on.

This sort of thing wouldnt bother me if we were landlocked but theres really just no excuse to redevelop a handsome stretch of street like this when so many more pressing areas deserve attention.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 7:17 PM
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I think most people dont even know these sorts of buildings are being lost. The pace of development when we hit these booms is breakneck, and even as someone who frequents a niche forum like this its nearly impossible to keep up with everything thats going on.

This sort of thing wouldnt bother me if we were landlocked but theres really just no excuse to redevelop a handsome stretch of street like this when so many more pressing areas deserve attention.
I sense many people in the general public do not realize how vulnerable buildings are. I have known people who just assume that the vintage buildings that remain in RN are somehow there by design. Or, they generally assume that no one would want to come along and tear down a worthwhile building. People are sometimes shocked that a building was torn down because they just never gave any thought to the possibility.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 7:17 PM
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Other than some of the finer properties in the Gold Coast (most of which probably will never be demo'd anyhow), I actually think that much of the low rise building stock north of the river will be doomed as our nascent midtown Manhattan comes into its own.

It's sad, but a worthy trade off. Being that you're never going to see large scale density increases in most of the neighborhoods, we will still have ample amounts of lowrise historic building stock outside of downtown.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 7:22 PM
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It's sad, but a worthy trade off. Being that you're never going to see large scale density increases in most of the neighborhoods, we will still have ample amounts of lowrise historic building stock outside of downtown.
We're losing it there too. See the desecration of vast swaths of Lincoln Park, probably our most beloved "historic" district. No reason the same trend wont spread elsewhere. If an inch is allowed, then whats stopping a mile. It dosent even have anything to do with density in that case.
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We're losing it there too.
Yes, between the high-priced areas where mcmansions are replacing vintage homes and the areas where they are simply coming apart, I expect there will be much less than people realize.

As an aside, likely just a pipe-dream, but I wish the construction of the oversized (3-4 lot) properties around LP could be steered to a different location (like a Prarie District equivalent).
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 7:45 PM
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We're losing it there too. See the desecration of vast swaths of Lincoln Park, probably our most beloved "historic" district. No reason the same trend wont spread elsewhere. If an inch is allowed, then whats stopping a mile. It dosent even have anything to do with density in that case.
Right, but there are also a ton, shit ton, of vintage buildings being rehabbed all over the city.

Of course, if you want to see our beautiful older building stock live on for another generation when they have deteriorated beyond their useful life, you need an infusion of capital and a total renovation. That can happen but..............here it comes................gasp.......................but then you have to raise rents. HOW EVIL!
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Right, but there are also a ton, shit ton, of vintage buildings being rehabbed all over the city.

Of course, if you want to see our beautiful older building stock live on for another generation when they have deteriorated beyond their useful life, you need an infusion of capital and a total renovation. That can happen but..............here it comes................gasp.......................but then you have to raise rents. HOW EVIL!
but in the case of Lincoln Park those homes were/are all well maintained. plays absolutely zero role in saving them when money is talking.

there are "shit tons" of these buildings until one day, there suddenly arent.
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