The Great Canadian Skyline Thread!

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by Harrij

Yeah it's probably KC. And we even have a warehouse district (albeit much smaller) like them.

Yeah exactly! and each city's primary tower (Ed: Manulife Place - Kc: One Kansas City Place) are fairly similar PoMo designs.

[Brizzy82]

Winnipeg vs Des Moines comparison


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[Chadillaccc]

http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...-4dec-8068-285c1efd30bd-downtown-calgary

http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...5-8773a14eac92-sait-and-downtown-calgary

[craner]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Yeah exactly! and each city's primary tower (Ed: Manulife Place - Kc: One Kansas City Place) are fairly similar PoMo designs.

That KC tower always reminds me of Canterra (Devon) in Calgary as well.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Harrij

Minneapolis, in spite of its lack of mountains, looks similar to Calgary for me.

Edmonton, I'm pretty stumped. There's a lot of mid size cities that might look like Edmonton, but they generally have noticeably less high-rise density and a signature tower or two that anchors their skyline. And in a couple years E-Town won't look much like those cities anyways.

I don't know about American cities, but I know that Edmonton kind of felt like a mix of Winnipeg and Toronto for the style.

[Chadillaccc]

A really nice one capturing a large part of downtown Winnipeg...


http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...e-7b1ef4446b21-downtown-winnipeg-skyline



and this one, showing nearly all of downtown, save for Chinatown...


http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...-aebe-176f71ed8c18-winnipeg-skyline-2015

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by DZH22

Yes, I did notice that actually. I had "showed up" long before, but mostly just lurk in the shadows. This is one of my favorite threads between both skyscraperpage and skyscrapercity!



I must have misread your tone or who you were referring to. Tough to tell tone on the internet... Although being Boston bred, I tend to default to attack mode faster than the average person. But hey, it's all good, and nice pics of Toronto.



I was speaking more of the urban form itself. Toronto and Chicago are both on lakes, with similar skylines and more spread out at street level than the Northeastern cities. They are also both Alpha cities, whereas NYC is Alpha++ (yes 2 pluses) so comparable on the World stage, even though Chicago is just a "regional" business center.

Also, as somebody else noted, if you shrunk NYC down substantially you'd have a Philadelphia, Boston, or Montreal, not a Toronto and not a Chicago. They just aren't built the same, but Toronto and Chicago are probably the closest matches to each other in North America. (both far behind NYC but far ahead of everywhere else)

By the way, of the cities discussed lately.... Boston is Alpha-, Montreal and Philadelphia are Beta+, Vancouver is Beta, Denver and Calgary are Beta-, and that's it for all Canadian cities and the American ones I compared them to.

On a lake and similar skylines. That quite deep. For most residents, being on a lake doesn'teven register. What does are suburban highrise of which Toronto has 1200 and 5Chicago may have 50. Intact Innercity neighbourhoods have a different form, vernacular and scale. Reflects Chicago's prewar size and development.

A local baker or Nabisco. They both produce baked goods.

You missed my point entirely by, again, concentrating on some irrelevant world stage grading system. They both are finiancial capitals of their respective countries. I just find there's too much focus over size with one being in a nation 10X larger with far greater global Influences. No one needs to reminded either. Gotta be in a bubble not to know it.

[Ramako]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

A really nice one capturing a large part of downtown Winnipeg...


http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...e-7b1ef4446b21-downtown-winnipeg-skyline

What's that going up next to the MTS Centre?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Ramako

What's that going up next to the MTS Centre?

Glasshouse Condos, part of the Centrepoint development which includes a new Alt Hotel (the dark building to the left).

[Brizzy82]

Originally Posted by Ramako

What's that going up next to the MTS Centre?

glasshousewinnipeg.com

[Metro-One]

Great Pics of Winnipeg!

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

http://www.stockaerialphotos.com/-/galle...-aebe-176f71ed8c18-winnipeg-skyline-2015

I haven't seen many Winnipeg shots and never knew they had such a nice baseball stadium. Makes me think about what could have been with the Vancouver one that was planned at Waterfront station.

[DZH22]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

On a lake and similar skylines. That quite deep. For most residents, being on a lake doesn'teven register. What does are suburban highrise of which Toronto has 1200 and 5Chicago may have 50. Intact Innercity neighbourhoods have a different form, vernacular and scale. Reflects Chicago's prewar size and development.

A local baker or Nabisco. They both produce baked goods.

You missed my point entirely by, again, concentrating on some irrelevant world stage grading system. They both are finiancial capitals of their respective countries. I just find there's too much focus over size with one being in a nation 10X larger with far greater global Influences. No one needs to reminded either. Gotta be in a bubble not to know it.

I was trying to make a closest approximation comparison of cities between the US and Canada, based specifically on skyline and urbanity.

You are the one who originally brought up the NYC comparison with "they are both the largest financial centers in their countries". Yes, that is true, but when one of the countries has 35 million people and the other country has 318 million people it's probably not that valid of a comparison. You wrote off Chicago as a "regional city" then tell me I am missing the point when I bring up that they are both considered to be on equal footing on the world stage.

If Chicago is not Toronto's closest US approximation, then what is? By the way if you really think NYC then this conversation is over and I have an invisible bridge across the Pacific Ocean that I would like to sell you.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by DZH22

I was trying to make a closest approximation comparison of cities between the US and Canada, based specifically on skyline and urbanity.

You are the one who originally brought up the NYC comparison with "they are both the largest financial centers in their countries". Yes, that is true, but when one of the countries has 35 million people and the other country has 318 million people it's probably not that valid of a comparison. You wrote off Chicago as a "regional city" then tell me I am missing the point when I bring up that they are both considered to be on equal footing on the world stage.

If Chicago is not Toronto's closest US approximation, then what is? By the way if you really think NYC then this conversation is over and I have an invisible bridge across the Pacific Ocean that I would like to sell you.

You are correct. You can say "City X is the financial centre of Country X" for any number of cities but this does not automatically make them similar to New York. Of course, Toronto being a new world city in North America does give it at least *some* similarities to NYC, but let's not get carried away. Unfortunately some Torontonians have a thing about the New York-itude of their city. Fortunately most of them are not like that.

[DZH22]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

For fun:

Top 11 Tallest in Providence/Winnipeg as per SSP (only completed structures)

Providence:
1) 130.4 m
2) 125 m
3) 115.8 m
4) 100.3 m
5) 94.8 m
6) 86.9 m
7) 72.2 m
8) 71.6 m
9) 65.5 m
10) 64.9 m
11) 62.5 m

Winnipeg:
1) 128 m
2) 124.1 m
3) 117 m
4) 112.5 m
5) 109 m
6) 100 m
7) 96 m
8) 94 m
9) 89 m
10) 85 m
11) 83.2 m


Certainly "similar"

I take it you used the Diagrams page. There is often a tall building or 2 that misses the front page and is thrown in near the end. In this case, Providence has an additional 71.6 meter building with the Statehouse. Winnipeg has the 78.6 meter Legislative Building that wouldn't have made your top 11 anyway but is hanging out on page 6 (of 8) of my search.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by DZH22

Off the top of my head, DC for Ottawa, (national capitals, dense but stumpy downtowns, tallest buildings outside city limits) s.

I can see why people say that but I don't find Ottawa and DC to be very similar.

Ottawa is a fairly North American city but oddly enough it is hard to find comparables to it on this continent. Maybe Portland, Oregon for most of the city except for the grand government buildings on Wellington. Austin, Texas as well.

Or maybe Madison, Wi. (which has some government grandeur) on steroids?

Globally I have found the best Ottawa comparables to be places like Oslo and Adelaide.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by DZH22

I take it you used the Diagrams page. There is often a tall building or 2 that misses the front page and is thrown in near the end. In this case, Providence has an additional 71.6 meter building with the Statehouse. Winnipeg has the 78.6 meter Legislative Building that wouldn't have made your top 11 anyway but is hanging out on page 6 (of 8) of my search.

When it comes to midsized Canadian vs. midsized US cities, similar patterns tend to emerge:

1) The US city will typically have a taller building than its Canadian counterpart
2) The US city's tallest buildings will generally skew much older than the Canadian city's
3) The US city's downtown will be surrounded by a lot of parking lots and freeways and then inner suburbia while the Canadian city tends to go from downtown to highrise residential, before giving way to inner suburbs.

You really see this with places like Omaha or Des Moines in comparison to Winnipeg... they each have a couple of buildings than the TD Tower in Winnipeg, but there isn't quite as much depth to the skyline.

Omaha:



Des Moines:

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by DZH22

I was trying to make a closest approximation comparison of cities between the US and Canada, based specifically on skyline and urbanity.

You are the one who originally brought up the NYC comparison with "they are both the largest financial centers in their countries". Yes, that is true, but when one of the countries has 35 million people and the other country has 318 million people it's probably not that valid of a comparison. You wrote off Chicago as a "regional city" then tell me I am missing the point when I bring up that they are both considered to be on equal footing on the world stage.

If Chicago is not Toronto's closest US approximation, then what is? By the way if you really think NYC then this conversation is over and I have an invisible bridge across the Pacific Ocean that I would like to sell you.

This is pointless. I already stated several times that Toronto's influence on the global stage is downright tiny in comparison to New York. I just think too much weight is being thrown at scale especially in light of the built form of Toronto being very different from Chicago as well. The overall skylines don't compare well at all once you include the suburban towers. With any skyline, you can find similar views.

I don't think there's any city that physically compares well to Toronto but, the attitude is closest to New York. This is my personal experience having worked in and around Bay Street and having most relatives and friends doing the same. It may be different for others.

Some passive aggressive response from Acajack supports I'm not completely nuts either.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

This is pointless. I already stated several times that Toronto's influence on the global stage is downright tiny in comparison to New York. I just think too much weight is being thrown at scale especially in light of the built form of Toronto being very different from Chicago as well. The overall skylines don't compare well at all once you include the suburban towers. With any skyline, you can find similar views.

I don't think there's any city that physically compares well to Toronto but, the attitude is closest to New York. This is my personal experience having worked in and around Bay Street and having most relatives and friends doing the same. It may be different for others.

Some passive aggressive response from Acajack supports I'm not completely nuts either.

Hehehehe. Reykjavik is the Toronto of Iceland. Similar feel. Maybe even bigger feel as it is the political, business and financial centre all wrapped into one!

[TorontoDrew]

Is this where we post skyline pics .
Taken by: ben Roffelsen
https://www.flickr.com/photos/benroffelsen/