O-Train Line 2 [Stage 1 | Bayview to Greenboro] | In Service

[MoreTrains]

The Stage2 website has a feedback section incase you wanted to voice how there are bigger priorities on the Trillium line than expansion to the south.

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by McC

On Sunday it was not operating at 15 minutes, southbound from Bayview was 10 minutes late in the late morning, and northbound at Carleton was about 5 minutes late in the mid-afternoon.

I also used it this past Sunday at about 11am. I just used the busbuddy app to check when it was coming as my 90-series bus was approaching Bayview where I transferred to the train. The schedule was set for 15-minute intervals (on the busbuddy app) but not on the :15s like in the past. I didn't look at the posted schedules to see when it is suppose to come (who relies on these anymore?)

[McC]

anyone who doesn't have a mobile device with a data plan, which is many people who use transit. Although I wouldn't recommend anyone "rely" on them.

[McC]

In any event, the train that I was expecting to depart at 11:15 and didn't until 11:25 was definitely running late because:
1) I would have seen the previous train leaving while we were on the O-Train Path on our way from Gladstone to Bayview Station (unless the O-Train has succumbed to OC Transpo Disease and started running early when it can);
2) It's pretty unlikely there would have already been 10 people on the platform, on a Sunday, within a couple of minutes of the previous train's departure; and
3) the operator skipped the dwell time in station completely: I've never seen a driver hustle like that, he almost jogged to the other end of the train and started heading out again as fast as he could.

On the way home, the southbound train had to sit at Carleton for a good five minutes waiting for the northbound train.

[CanadaGoose]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

All Trillium Line users on here: How's this line going btw? I've heard it's now at 10 minute frequency. That true?

Yes, its running at 10 minute frequency. I don't take it often, but I take it once a week or so if visiting people.

There's no real-time information and the obvious confusing closures which are annoying.

When it's in service, it's great.

[1overcosc]

They really need real time information for the trains ASAP.

As for 10 minutes, great to hear but they should put it in the damn schedules.

[ACmodels]

From this article by Adam Kveton:

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/5701044-fast-track-to-kanata/
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Earlier O-Train extension pondered:

Another motion, tabled by Knoxdale-Merivale Coun. Keith Egli and carried by the committee, asks the city to fast track the O-Train Trillium line extension and see it done earlier than 2023. The plan for the line has new stations at South Keys, the Ottawa International Airport, Leitrim Road and Bowesville.
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[rocketphish]

Ottawa Council endorses $3B plan for light rail expansion

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 8, 2015 | Last Updated: July 8, 2015 5:22 PM EDT

Approving the ambitious $3-billion plan to extend light-rail service by 2023 was a historic moment for Ottawa, Mayor Jim Watson said Wednesday.

“After years and years of debate, we’re actually moving forward to get the train going farther east, farther west and down south,” he said, adding the work will build on the success of the Confederation line currently under construction.

Council’s unanimous approval means the city can formally move ahead with its funding requests to other levels of government and submit a trio of environmental assessments — one each for the three extensions — to the province for approval.

Councillors also agreed to transfer $7 million to the stage 2 LRT project account so staff can proceed with preliminary implementation plans.

Phase two would see:

• The Confederation line extend west by 13 kilometres from Tunney’s Pasture station to Baseline and Bayshore stations, with 10 new stations, and east from Blair station to Place d’Orléans with four new stops. A further extension to Trim Road, at an added cost of $160 million, was not included in the initial plan but will continue to be explored.

• The Trillium line extend south from Greenboro station to Riverside South and add five new stations. A rail link to the airport, at an added cost of $155 million, will also be explored further. The airport authority said last week it is prepared to contribute to the estimated $35-million cost of building a light-rail stop inside its passenger terminal.

Council also asked staff to explore the feasibility of extending light rail to Kanata sooner than 2031 and connecting Riverside South to Barrhaven Town Centre via bus rapid transit.

Encouraging the eventual builder to finish the Trillium line extension before 2023 was another request.

While it appears the LRT plan is moving full-steam ahead, council did receive a submission from residents of Unitarian House. The 123 signatories asked the city to reconsider the current proposed western extension, particularly the section from the proposed Dominion to Cleary stations.

The seniors home shares a 2.4-hectare campus on Richmond Road with the First Unitarian Congregation church and a daycare, both of which are also opposed to the city’s plans to build a tunnel underneath the property because of concerns about increased noise and vibration associated with construction and underground trains.

Watson said he’s aware of the group’s fears and pledged the city will try to mitigate construction impacts, as it has done in other parts of town when there was a major construction project.

“We will do our best to ensure the disruption is minimal, but when you’re building a major train system, there is going to be some disruption,” he said.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawa-council-endorses-3b-plan-for-light-rail-expansion

[waterloowarrior]

TPAP process starting
http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-con...ement-transit-project-assessment-process

[rocketphish]

So for a couple of hundred extra meters of roadbed and track, we could do this. Sure it's a bit more expensive, but it would avoid the alternating trains, the interlining, the weird scheduling, etc., of servicing two termini. And yes, it would add an extra minute or two onto the journey to Riverside South, but it would also simplify the system enormously. Ideally, we'd cut and cover under the runway and straighten this out, but that isn't in the cards. A future stop could be added at NRC/CSTT and the Hilton Hotel. Could this be the next best thing?

[eternallyme]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

So for a couple of hundred extra meters of roadbed and track, we could do this. Sure it's a bit more expensive, but it would avoid the alternating trains, the interlining, the weird scheduling, etc., of servicing two termini. And yes, it would add an extra minute or two onto the journey to Riverside South, but it would also simplify the system enormously. Ideally, we'd cut and cover under the runway and straighten this out, but that isn't in the cards. A future stop could be added at NRC/CSTT and the Hilton Hotel. Could this be the next best thing?

It also allows a direct ride to the airport from the south. Probably would then see more airport-based businesses like hotels in Riverside South as a result.

[mykl]

rocketphish for mayor!

[Buggys]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

So for a couple of hundred extra meters of roadbed and track, we could do this. Sure it's a bit more expensive, but it would avoid the alternating trains, the interlining, the weird scheduling, etc., of servicing two termini. And yes, it would add an extra minute or two onto the journey to Riverside South, but it would also simplify the system enormously. Ideally, we'd cut and cover under the runway and straighten this out, but that isn't in the cards. A future stop could be added at NRC/CSTT and the Hilton Hotel. Could this be the next best thing?

If only the City's proposal made this much sense.

[YOWflier]

Rocket's drawing is exactly what I was suggesting some pages ago.

[MoreTrains]

I dont think there is any doubt in the mind of fellow SSP users that the only way to go is a single route, but the City seems to be of a singlular mind, use the railway that already exists at any cost.

I am still concerned that the expansion will be a single line, has there been any clarification if it will be a double or single tracked?

[Kitchissippi]

Just build the airport link first. I am still failing to see the current value of the Leitrim-Bowesville extension. There is nothing there, and there is no difference between transferring from a bus at these stations over South Keys where an established commercial centre already is in place. The bulk of Riverside South's population is closer by almost half the distance to Barrhaven's Marketplace station, and money would be better invested extending the Confederation Line out there.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Just build the airport link first. I am still failing to see the current value of the Leitrim-Bowesville extension. There is nothing there, and there is no difference between transferring from a bus at these stations over South Keys where an established commercial centre already is in place. The bulk of Riverside South's population is closer by almost half the distance to Barrhaven's Marketplace station, and money would be better invested extending the Confederation Line out there.

This is exactly the same argument that caused so much problem in 2006. It is why we are stuck with a very crappy compromise for the Trillium Line.

The current transit service south of South Keys is totally inadequate and follows convoluted routes on inadequate roads that are over congested during peak periods.

And you want to perpetuate this?

The source of future ridership growth on the Trillium Line is from Riverside South and Findlay Creek and not the airport.

Any LRT routing via the southwest transitway will cost a whole lot more to implement (and not budgeted for until after 2031)and will not adequately service the areas east of the Rideau River. We are also creating an east-west inbalance. Two branches on the west versus one on the east plus the Trillim Line transfer also on the west side of downthown.

We are already putting too many eggs in the Confederation Line basket in relation to the whole city transit setup.

If we are really interested in ridership growth, we need a more balanced approach to transit expansion. Throwing all our money on one transit line is a recipe for disaster in the future. What rationale city would build a single rapid transit line?

So you get 3 minute service on a very fast train from north part of Orleans or central Kanata, but if you live in Alta Vista or Hampton Park, or Parkwood Hills, you are lucky to get a bus every half hour which probably entails at least one transfer. This is not a good future.

[lrt's friend]

I used the O-Train last night and while the service is quite good, the trains are clearly operating at a much slower speed than what would be possible. In both directions, trains were delayed at Carleton University, and the southbound train slowed to a crawl at the Brookfield siding. At the same time, Route 98 bus sped past it and was at Greenboro in probably half the time despite an extra stop at Walkley.

I am not confident that service can be sped up significantly with the current setup, although there are posters at the stations still suggesting faster and more frequent service is coming.

Given the slow speed at which the trains were operating, double tracking will probably speed up service by 40%, maybe more. But that is not in the cards.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I used the O-Train last night and while the service is quite good, the trains are clearly operating at a much slower speed than what would be possible. In both directions, trains were delayed at Carleton University, and the southbound train slowed to a crawl at the Brookfield siding. At the same time, Route 98 bus sped past it and was at Greenboro in probably half the time despite an extra stop at Walkley.

I am not confident that service can be sped up significantly with the current setup, although there are posters at the stations still suggesting faster and more frequent service is coming.

Given the slow speed at which the trains were operating, double tracking will probably speed up service by 40%, maybe more. But that is not in the cards.

What you experienced is normal operating procedure, and it is unlikely to get any better. The addition of stations at Walkley and Gladstone will "help" a little bit, in that it shouldn't slow the trains down any further and will justify the current slow travel times.

I'm surprised there wasn't more uproar over the recent improvements, which failed to meet the suggested travel times of every 8-9 minutes, and now has the trains not following any schedule. Lack of a schedule is OK when there is a frequent service, but when the trains are running every 11 minutes, or worse during busy times, a schedule is important. I greatly preferred the old, more reliable schedule over the new, unreliable schedule with no improvement in travel time and a 2-5 minute improvement in frequency.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

We really need to dedicate ourselves to the O-Train at this point. No more half-measures. It's clearly going to be a major part of Ottawa's transportation future, so let's not half-ass this and drag it out.