Canada Election 2015 - Page 129

DizzyEdge · #**2561** Posted **Oct 8, 2015, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migs

Dead wrong. Our prominent religion of Christianity & our way of life that has made us a target.

If we're a target it's because of a 100 years of the west applying military force to their countries.

I have trouble believing that someone wanting to kill Canadians is doing it because they hate our freedoms, vs western militaries killed members of their family, or muslims in general.

lio45 · #**2562** Posted **Oct 8, 2015, 11:31 PM**

TCTC updated today:

http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/p/canada-2015.html

What's somewhat noteworthy is that nearly all polling firms have the Tories trending up in Quebec. (Scroll down for graph.)

http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2015/10/les-conservateurs-premiers-au-quebec.html

Interesting electoral times in this province...

travis3000 · #**2563** Posted **Oct 8, 2015, 11:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

TCTC updated today:

http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/p/canada-2015.html

What's somewhat noteworthy is that nearly all polling firms have the Tories trending up in Quebec. (Scroll down for graph.)

http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2015/10/les-conservateurs-premiers-au-quebec.html

Interesting electoral times in this province...

^ And all firms have the Liberals gaining in Quebec too. Every single pollster has the Liberals ahead of the Conservatives.

Also, Too Close To Call is delusional. There's no way the Conservatives would lead by that many seats when the past 5 polls show Liberal leads across the country, including the biggest province in the country. 308 seems more realistic.

Loco101 · #**2564** Posted **Oct 8, 2015, 11:55 PM**

And for those who thought that EKOS was saying something different, well they aren't really anymore:

http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/full_report_october_8_2015.pdf

LPC 34.1%

CPC 32.5%

NDP 21.1%

GPC 7.3%

BQ 3.6%

Liberals are clearly leading in Ontario as well.

Loco101 · #**2565** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:06 AM**

Notice the new last-minute CPC attack ads against Trudeau. There are quite a few of them.

The English language ones are mostly about the Liberal economic plans that attack Trudeau. Then there are a couple of comparison ones, side-by-side style.

There are even French language attack ads which I'm quite surprised about. They try to portray Trudeau as being out of touch with Quebeckers' values and priorities touching on issues such as the niqab, that Jean Chrétien campaigned with him, that he isn't worried about ISIS and that it was the Liberal Party that was responsible for the sponsorship scandal, again reminding of Chrétien.

Correct me if I'm wrong but attack ads don't often have the same effect on francophone audiences as they do with many anglophones. At least that has been my experience living in a bilingual region. It seems as though Harper is getting desperate. Using fear does work for him to a certain extent.

lio45 · #**2566** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

^ And all firms have the Liberals gaining in Quebec too. Every single pollster has the Liberals ahead of the Conservatives.

Also, Too Close To Call is delusional. There's no way the Conservatives would lead by that many seats when the past 5 polls show Liberal leads across the country, including the biggest province in the country. 308 seems more realistic.

If you click on TCTC's "Detailed riding by riding projections" you can verify if they're delusional or not based on the ridings you're familar with. In the areas I know they're pretty much exactly matching what I'd expect, FWIW. Of course maybe they're completely off the mark in other areas, but I have no way to tell.

Is this delusional? (Sincere question, I had no idea your area of Ontario was so deep blue. At least according to TCTC.)

Simcoe--Grey 48% 29% 16% 7%

Barrie--Innisfil 54% 25% 16% 5%

York--Simcoe 56% 24% 15% 5%

Dufferin--Caledon 51% 25% 9% 15%

King--Vaughan 49% 40% 8% 3%

kwoldtimer · #**2567** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

Notice the new last-minute CPC attack ads against Trudeau. There are quite a few of them.

The English language ones are mostly about the Liberal economic plans that attack Trudeau. Then there are a couple of comparison ones, side-by-side style.

There are even French language attack ads which I'm quite surprised about. They try to portray Trudeau as being out of touch with Quebeckers' values and priorities touching on issues such as the niqab, that Jean Chrétien campaigned with him, that he isn't worried about ISIS and that it was the Liberal Party that was responsible for the sponsorship scandal, again reminding of Chrétien.

Correct me if I'm wrong but attack ads don't often have the same effect on francophone audiences as they do with many anglophones. At least that has been my experience living in a bilingual region. It seems as though Harper is getting desperate. Using fear does work for him to a certain extent.

Prepare for a flood of such ads in the next week. It seems to me that all three parties have just about exhausted their stock of campaign pledges (unless Harper has a big surprise up his sleeve) such that the sligging of mud may be all that's left. If I were Trudeau, I'd be showing off that beautiful family of his every day until the election.

geotag277 · #**2568** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

I was at an all-candidates meeting where the question of "what happens under a minority Conservative government" came up. Both the Liberal and NDP candidates said that at the very first opportunity they'd vote non-confidence. There's a strong Anybody But Conservative current running through Canadian politics and I think both the Liberals and NDP are tapping that.

They didn't answer anything about a potential coalition government, or if the NDP would support the Liberals without a formal coalition, though, and that's the more interesting question.

I don't understand why Canadians everywhere aren't just hoping for a minority government. Isn't that the best path to somewhat equal representation across the country? If NDP, Tory, and Liberal party members actually had to work together to pass legislation instead of these asinine "mandates" that go largely without either accountability or oversight.

The major planks of the different parties are all different, and there is no reason to think they could not all compromise with each other to implement the major pieces, together, in a manner that represents the widest amount of Canadians.

NDP: Nationwide child care and prescription drug plan
Liberal: Deficit spending on infrastructure and a hodge podge of other investment initiatives, including tax cuts and tax increases
Cons: General tax cuts, infrastructure spending, and other initiatives that really aren't too different than NDP or Liberal plans

It's absolutely bat shit insane to me how we can't expect our leaders to act like adults in a minority government capacity. Completely reflects our immaturity as a nation IMO.

geotag277 · #**2569** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Imagine a healthy system where, in response to a PMO request for sensitive personal files that they have no legal mandate to request or to see, the responsible bureaucrats politely reply "up yours". PMO then goes to Chris Alexander (in this case), who, having seen the bureaucratic response, replies "up yours with a wire brush - you want it, see you in court!". One can only dream!

Imagine a healthy system where, in response to a request from Steve Jobs about working conditions in China, the Chinese supply chain manager said, "up yours Steve Jobs, you aren't a manufacturing leader in China, you don't understand the engineering and assembly lines that we oversee, you don't understand how business works in China".

One can only dream!

Nathan · #**2570** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Prepare for a flood of such ads in the next week. It seems to me that all three parties have just about exhausted their stock of campaign pledges (unless Harper has a big surprise up his sleeve) such that the sligging of mud may be all that's left. If I were Trudeau, I'd be showing off that beautiful family of his every day until the election.

I don't know if "family" moments work as well in Canadian politics. Maybe it's just me, but it always feels a little weird and inappropriate; like they deserve a bit of privacy or something because they are only indirectly involved in politics.

Hali87 · #**2571** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:34 AM**

^Not remotely the same thing.

kwoldtimer · #**2572** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I don't know if "family" moments work as well in Canadian politics. Maybe it's just me, but it always feels a little weird and inappropriate; like they deserve a bit of privacy or something because they are only indirectly involved in politics.

It didn't work particularly well for Harper at the start of the campaign (although the media seemed to suggest that the kids were developing a following), but Trudeau's brood is much younger, the kids are cute and his wife is gorgeous. The sight of them, I suspect, gives many people a "feel good" moment. Totally superficial, obviously, but the campaign is entering the "whatever works" period and to me beautiful family might beat mud.

SteelTown · #**2573** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:48 AM**

^ Yeah Trudeau's youngest son is friggin adorable, look at his cute little suit shirt.

http://www.theweeklyobserver.com/justin-trudeau-vows-to-unite-canadians-at-brampton-rally/9995/

Aylmer · #**2574** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:48 AM**

Yes, well it is the silly season of the election campaign - bound to happen after some 10 WEEKS. Let's please not ever do this again. ever. please.

geotag277 · #**2575** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Aylmer

Yes, well it is the silly season of the election campaign - bound to happen after some 10 WEEKS. Let's please not ever do this again. ever. please.

Meanwhile the US election is still 52+ weeks away and they've already had a number of debates and non stop media coverage

kwoldtimer · #**2576** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by geotag277

Meanwhile the US election is still 52+ weeks away and they've already had a number of debates and non stop media coverage

But at least this time they've got Trump for comic relief!

Nathan · #**2577** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 12:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

It didn't work particularly well for Harper at the start of the campaign (although the media seemed to suggest that the kids were developing a following), but Trudeau's brood is much younger, the kids are cute and his wife is gorgeous. The sight of them, I suspect, gives many people a "feel good" moment. Totally superficial, obviously, but the campaign is entering the "whatever works" period and to me beautiful family might beat mud.

Yeah, I don't have a wealth of experience with politics (Harper's basically been in lower all my voting years), but I'm thinking the last time a "family" was really front and centre was the Trudeaus. That true? Or were the Mulroneys out there too?

Provincially, I know that the leaders of the 2 main parties are married, and there have been photo ops here and there, but I actually don't know anything about them whatsoever; names, ages, what they look like, it all slips my mind as something irrelevant. It feels like this is kind of the norm for Canada, no?

kwoldtimer · #**2578** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 1:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Yeah, I don't have a wealth of experience with politics (Harper's basically been in lower all my voting years), but I'm thinking the last time a "family" was really front and centre was the Trudeaus. That true? Or were the Mulroneys out there too?

Provincially, I know that the leaders of the 2 main parties are married, and there have been photo ops here and there, but I actually don't know anything about them whatsoever; names, ages, what they look like, it all slips my mind as something irrelevant. It feels like this is kind of the norm for Canada, no?

It's true that the families, sometimes even spouses, are not always out front with the candidate/politician in Canada. I generally find that a good thing as I would hate to see a "First Lady" culture develop here. Having a young, photogenic family seems to me like an asset that could be played in the final days of a campaign. Of course Trudeau's wife may herself have contrary views on the subject.

I can't recall whether we saw much of Ben Mulroney and his sister during their father's tenure. Unfortunately, we see more than enough of Ben now!

Architype · #**2579** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 1:09 AM**

It's nice to see the Liberals trending up in BC and Ontario. A Liberal minority is being predicted by the Grenier poll tracker today.

Stingray2004 · #**2580** Posted **Oct 9, 2015, 1:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Prepare for a flood of such ads in the next week. It seems to me that all three parties have just about exhausted their stock of campaign pledges (unless Harper has a big surprise up his sleeve) such that the sligging of mud may be all that's left. If I were Trudeau, I'd be showing off that beautiful family of his every day until the election.

Well, the latest NDP radio ad out here in Metro Vancouver (perhaps elsewhere in Canada?), for example, has the narrative that "the NDP only needs 35 seats to defeat Harper... the Liberals need 100".

The first rule in political advertising is that the narrative must have "credibility". With all of the local TV, radio, newspaper narratives showing an NDP collapse nationally... the NDP campaign seems to have turned into a complete train-wreck. No credibility at all.