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Old Posted Oct 7, 2015, 2:55 PM
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I happened to walk by the Fergie's lot on Walnut this morning and there was a small truck boring holes into a few spots. I don't know whether this is related to the project or something else, but fingers crossed this project gets moving and knocks it off of that Walnut surface lot list =)
Sounds like test bores maybe?
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As Hammer said, this is pretty much still true, and it hurts my brain to think about it haha. However, I think Center City is LEAGUES better than it was in the mid-90's.

I'm pretty sure every main East to West Street in Center City has a surface lot or empty lot.

South Street
500 Block
800 Block
1100 Block South Side
1100 Block North Side small lot
1300 Block small lot
1400 Block South side parking lot
1400 Block South Side parking lot
1400 Block North side parking lot 1
1400 Block North side parking lot 2
1500 Block North side
1500 Block South side Royal Theater lots
1500 Block South side lot 2
1800 Block Walgreens Lot
2100 Block North side Lot
2100 Block South side CVS lot
23rd and South Lot
27th and South corner small lot

Lombard Street
200 Block Small North side lot
300 Block St. Peters School lot
5th and Lombard Presby Historical Society Lot
500 Block North side lot
500 Block Mother Bethel lot
700 Block lot
900 Block South side weirdness
1100 Block
1200 Block
Broad and Lombard Southeast, Northeast and Southwest corners
1500 Block
1800 Block Penn Medicine lot
1900 Block
2000 block small lot
2100 Block
2500 Block

Pine Street
200 Block Wells Fargo lot
13th and Pine Lot
Juniper and Pine Lot
1500 Block
17th and Pine

Spruce Street
1200 Block
1300 Block south side
1300 Block north side small lot

Locust Street
4th and Locust lot
900 Block
1100 Block lot
1100 Block Community garden
13th and Locust lot
1300 Block lot

Walnut Street
400 Block South Side
800 Block
1200 Block "Fergie Lot"
1900 Block "Southern Land Lot"
20th and Walnut Lot
2100 Block South side small lot
2200 Block Sunoco gas station
2300 Block Rite Aid lot
2400 Block "Mandeville" Lot

Chestnut Street
100 Block
700 Block
800 Block
900 Block
1800 Block "Boyds" lot
1900 Block lot
2000 Block south side PHA lot
2000 Block south side parking lot
21st and Chestnut small lot
24th and Chestnut small lot

Market Street
200 Block South side lot
3rd and Market lot (soon to be developed?)
800 Block
1300 Block
2100 Block
2200 Block North Side PECO lot
2200 Block South side
2300 Block south side small lot

JFK Blvd
18th and JFK Comcast grass lot
2000 block North side over tracks
2100 block North side over tracks
2100 block south side
2200 block north side over tracks
2200 block south side
2300 block north side over tracks

Arch Street
200 Block small lot
200 Block PMC lot (soon to be developed?)
300 Block north side lot
700 Block
800 Block north side
800 Block south side
900 Block north side small lot
900 Block south side
1000 Block north side
1000 Block south side
1300 Block
1900 Block full North side
20th and Arch small lot
2000 block
23rd and Arch massive riverfront lot (soon to be developed?)

Cherry Street
100 Block billboard lot
200 Block North side
300 Block North side
400 Block North side (soon to be developed?)
800 Block North side
11th and Race lot
N Marvine Street and Race lot
12th and Race lot
1300 Block lot 1
1300 Block lot 2
1400 Block
15th and Race
16th and Race
1700 Block
2200 Block small lot
23rd and Race lot
2300 block Riverside Presby apartments lot

I'm not doing anymore haha. You get the point. A ton of developable lots. I think Pine, Spruce, Locust, Walnut and Market have the best chance of completely filling in first.


Summer, I wish you would put a little more time and effort in your posts. Gawd man ... quit being so lazy.

Seriously, thanks for the list. Quick question: Not to nitpick the list, but where is there a empty lot on the south side of the 400 block of Walnut? I can't for the life of me picture one there. The only open space I can think of is the park in the middle of the block.

The lot I would really like to see filled after 8th & Market and 2200 Market is 15th and Race/Cherry. It's a huge lot with a pretty nice, central location -- that lot could really accommodate some height and density.
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The lot I would really like to see filled after 8th & Market and 2200 Market is 15th and Race/Cherry. It's a huge lot with a pretty nice, central location -- that lot could really accommodate some height and density.
Can't say I disagree - it's especially noticeable entering town from 676 and you get off the cloverleaf and enter Detroit.

This lot, like several other prime lots on your list, is owned by Parkway Corp who've effectively replaced the Rapport's as the city's biggest blightlord. These guys are just squatting on ridiculously prime real estate and it's affecting the city.

It was fine when they were building their empire, buying up lots all across town 20, 30, 40 years ago when no one wanted to build/develop here. But now? Their hoarding has become too conspicuous and I'd like to see something done about it.

Hey Zuritsky, any reason you can't develop your lot at 20th and Walnut? Or are you looking for taxpayer handouts first like you did for your abominable hotel at 12th and Arch?
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2015, 4:28 PM
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Wow! This is an amazing inventory. I think this should be shared outside this forum. Could be a great development tool. You could share it with the city commerce department.

On the topic of the metric—of course number of surface lots is really important. But using the threshold of 1 per major east-west street river to river does not seem informative. If we only had 1 for each street, like one surface lot for all 25 blocks of walnut street river to river that would be pretty good. Even Manhattan has them.
Extraordinary list, thanks for putting this together! Of course you're right that a pure count of lots doesn't tell the whole story, and that a Vision (Lot) 0 goal is probably unrealistic (if only due to frictional vacancy due to demolitions etc). At the same time, I think a contiguous streetscape fabric is one of the strongest indicators of healthy urbanity, and would be a useful metric to track (say as % linear feet unbuilt) the city's resurgence and to compare it to peer cities.
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“Heavy Hitter” Residential Developers Circling Prime Spot at 15th and Fairmount

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/property/2015/10/07/1501-fairmount-avenue/#q2dRdrzZ6HyTpY4F.99
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“Heavy Hitter” Residential Developers Circling Prime Spot at 15th and Fairmount

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/property/2015/10/07/1501-fairmount-avenue/#q2dRdrzZ6HyTpY4F.99
The historical designation means they can do literally nothing with this site. It's going to sit there and do jack shit for the neighborhood. Such a dumb designation.
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Can't say I disagree - it's especially noticeable entering town from 676 and you get off the cloverleaf and enter Detroit.

This lot, like several other prime lots on your list, is owned by Parkway Corp who've effectively replaced the Rapport's as the city's biggest blightlord. These guys are just squatting on ridiculously prime real estate and it's affecting the city.

It was fine when they were building their empire, buying up lots all across town 20, 30, 40 years ago when no one wanted to build/develop here. But now? Their hoarding has become too conspicuous and I'd like to see something done about it.

Hey Zuritsky, any reason you can't develop your lot at 20th and Walnut? Or are you looking for taxpayer handouts first like you did for your abominable hotel at 12th and Arch?
Parkway's bad, but the worst offenders are Sl-E-Z Park. They actually demo'd a historic warehouse on Front Street just so they had a parking lot next to their HQ. And unlike Parkway, which seems to see itself almost as a private land bank, Sl-E-Z Park thinks its lots really are the highest and best use of their properties.
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The historical designation means they can do literally nothing with this site. It's going to sit there and do jack shit for the neighborhood. Such a dumb designation.
Not true. They can do a façadectomy and put some condos on top or something like that.

Really, what's worth keeping is that limestone façade and tower on the corner.
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The historical designation means they can do literally nothing with this site. It's going to sit there and do jack shit for the neighborhood. Such a dumb designation.


Yes, multiple "heavy hitter" developers are circling the site because they're planning to have it sit there and do jack shit for the neighborhood.

That building is actually a great use of the historical designation. That thing is freaking awesome and adds a ton of interest to the street - surely more than the brick or stucco that would go up in it's place. They can do something really cool with that building and build up and/or still have the rest of the lot to build a good-sized building.
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Summer, I wish you would put a little more time and effort in your posts. Gawd man ... quit being so lazy.

Seriously, thanks for the list. Quick question: Not to nitpick the list, but where is there a empty lot on the south side of the 400 block of Walnut? I can't for the life of me picture one there. The only open space I can think of is the park in the middle of the block.

The lot I would really like to see filled after 8th & Market and 2200 Market is 15th and Race/Cherry. It's a huge lot with a pretty nice, central location -- that lot could really accommodate some height and density.
You're right, it may ended be Park land and a part of the Independence National Mall. I'm talking about the green space in the middle of the two buildings on the South Side of the 400 Block. If it is green space, I would like to see it spruced up a little more. Maybe some more benches, etc.
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Not true. They can do a façadectomy and put some condos on top or something like that.

Really, what's worth keeping is that limestone façade and tower on the corner.
Except the owner already got quotes on restoring the facade and it would cost somewhere in the $300k range for the facade only, not including replacement of windows. What would windows cost? Another $100k? You think a developer wants to pay almost half a million dollars to restore that facade? Then incur the additional costs of building around that facade? I mean, I suppose it's plausible, but we'd get a guaranteed TOD design with commercial store fronts and some affordable housing without it, and that would serve the neighborhood better than a historical designation of a building that's remarkable only to architecture buffs...

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Yes, multiple "heavy hitter" developers are circling the site because they're planning to have it sit there and do jack shit for the neighborhood.

That building is actually a great use of the historical designation. That thing is freaking awesome and adds a ton of interest to the street - surely more than the brick or stucco that would go up in it's place. They can do something really cool with that building and build up and/or still have the rest of the lot to build a good-sized building.
Which brings me to this. I asked every single neighbor I know, since I've lived near this place for almost ten years, so dozens of people, about the "art deco building on 15th and Fairmount" and not a single one of them even knew what I was talking about. It's more known for being an auto mechanic than any other aspect of its existence. It adds literally ZERO interest to the street, nor it is something the neighbors are particularly concerned about. The most interest usually comes in the form of "Oh will they fix my Ford? Only European cars? Well ok it can burn in a fire for all I care then." It's an 85 year old building that has a facade that is made out of cement for heaven's sake, it's not like it was even made of quality building materials when it was built, but you are here complaining about brick or stucco. It's one of the most worthless historical designations that I can think of in the neighborhood, frankly, and I feel bad for the owner as he's getting shafted out of a ton of money thanks to it. and the historical commission sure isn't chipping any in. The only building in the neighborhood that is probably a worse designation is the Robert Purvis house which should have been demolished years ago.

We have the Northwestern National Bank building at 700 N Broad Street a block away and not on the Register. It's a Gilded Age marvel. Why are we wasting time with a place like the one at 1501 Fairmount, it's counterproductive, bad for the neighborhood, and bad for the owner, frankly.

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Which brings me to this. I asked every single neighbor I know, since I've lived near this place for almost ten years, so dozens of people, about the "art deco building on 15th and Fairmount" and not a single one of them even knew what I was talking about. It's more known for being an auto mechanic than any other aspect of its existence. It adds literally ZERO interest to the street, nor it is something the neighbors are particularly concerned about. The most interest usually comes in the form of "Oh will they fix my Ford? Only European cars? Well ok it can burn in a fire for all I care then." It's an 85 year old building that has a facade that is made out of cement for heaven's sake, it's not like it was even made of quality building materials when it was built, but you are here complaining about brick or stucco. It's one of the most worthless historical designations that I can think of in the neighborhood, frankly, and I feel bad for the owner as he's getting shafted out of a ton of money thanks to it. and the historical commission sure isn't chipping any in. The only building in the neighborhood that is probably a worse designation is the Robert Purvis house which should have been demolished years ago.

We have the Northwestern National Bank building at 700 N Broad Street a block away and not on the Register. It's a Gilded Age marvel. Why are we wasting time with a place like the one at 1501 Fairmount, it's counterproductive, bad for the neighborhood, and bad for the owner, frankly.
I've lived in the neighborhood for ten years. I know exactly which building it is. Every single time I pass by it I hope someone does something really cool with it. How many buildings are left like that one in the city? Very few.

Do you know the owner? It seems like it from your post and your negative reaction to an article about how there's a ton of interest in the site, which you just keep glossing over if not outright ignoring. If you do know the owner, that might be clouding your vision a bit. Somebody could easily (and hopefully is about to) do something really cool with that building / lot.
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You're right, it may ended be Park land and a part of the Independence National Mall. I'm talking about the green space in the middle of the two buildings on the South Side of the 400 Block. If it is green space, I would like to see it spruced up a little more. Maybe some more benches, etc.
Yea, that's definitely a park. It's called the Rose Garden and actually stretches all the way to locust. It's actually a fairly interesting green space, though it does a bad job of announcing its presence to walnut street. It's also a green space in an area that is already overstocked with it.
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Except the owner already got quotes on restoring the facade and it would cost somewhere in the $300k range for the facade only, not including replacement of windows. What would windows cost? Another $100k? You think a developer wants to pay almost half a million dollars to restore that facade? Then incur the additional costs of building around that facade? I mean, I suppose it's plausible, but we'd get a guaranteed TOD design with commercial store fronts and some affordable housing without it, and that would serve the neighborhood better than a historical designation of a building that's remarkable only to architecture buffs...



Which brings me to this. I asked every single neighbor I know, since I've lived near this place for almost ten years, so dozens of people, about the "art deco building on 15th and Fairmount" and not a single one of them even knew what I was talking about. It's more known for being an auto mechanic than any other aspect of its existence. It adds literally ZERO interest to the street, nor it is something the neighbors are particularly concerned about. The most interest usually comes in the form of "Oh will they fix my Ford? Only European cars? Well ok it can burn in a fire for all I care then." It's an 85 year old building that has a facade that is made out of cement for heaven's sake, it's not like it was even made of quality building materials when it was built, but you are here complaining about brick or stucco. It's one of the most worthless historical designations that I can think of in the neighborhood, frankly, and I feel bad for the owner as he's getting shafted out of a ton of money thanks to it. and the historical commission sure isn't chipping any in. The only building in the neighborhood that is probably a worse designation is the Robert Purvis house which should have been demolished years ago.

We have the Northwestern National Bank building at 700 N Broad Street a block away and not on the Register. It's a Gilded Age marvel. Why are we wasting time with a place like the one at 1501 Fairmount, it's counterproductive, bad for the neighborhood, and bad for the owner, frankly.
You're just wrong. The building is great and there's a million things that can be done with it and apparently a lot of developers agree. If people who are ignorant about architecture don't appreciate it, I really don't care. Should we really save or destroy buildings based on the opinions of the ill informed? What is the logic in that?
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Here are some interesting figures on how the region's office markets are doing and how Philly is doing vs the suburbs. The entire region is less than impressive, but within the region the Philly office market is holding its own, in fact it's doing better generally speaking than the suburbs.

http://www.us.jll.com/united-states/en-u...pdf?2c97fea3-6e59-494d-a457-842431268a6d
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You're just wrong. The building is great and there's a million things that can be done with it and apparently a lot of developers agree. If people who are ignorant about architecture don't appreciate it, I really don't care. Should we really save or destroy buildings based on the opinions of the ill informed? What is the logic in that?
Agree, and it doesn't have to be condos....EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONDOS!!! JEEZ.

Just reuse the existing building without building up. Make something cool and different in that space.
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Except the owner already got quotes on restoring the facade and it would cost somewhere in the $300k range for the facade only, not including replacement of windows. What would windows cost? Another $100k? You think a developer wants to pay almost half a million dollars to restore that facade? Then incur the additional costs of building around that facade? I mean, I suppose it's plausible, but we'd get a guaranteed TOD design with commercial store fronts and some affordable housing without it, and that would serve the neighborhood better than a historical designation of a building that's remarkable only to architecture buffs...
Well given that the sale price was $2.5 million, I think $400k is a drop in the bucket to these guys, eh?
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Well given that the sale price was $2.5 million, I think $400k is a drop in the bucket to these guys, eh?
Not if another half million eats away their profit margins.

I am just of the opinion that not all historic preservation is a good idea. Sometimes new serves the neighborhood and city better, especially when it's in an incredibly underutilized space as it is.
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Not if another half million eats away their profit margins.

I am just of the opinion that not all historic preservation is a good idea. Sometimes new serves the neighborhood and city better, especially when it's in an incredibly underutilized space as it is.
They know it's designated historic and are still buying it, so they know they can make it work. I agree that sometimes historic designations seem a little silly, but it seems like you're complaining about something that isn't really a problem in this case. They'll preserve the facade and do an overbuild. Everybody's happy.
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This is a big deal that Blackstone (NYC investment firm with a real estate portfolio) is getting in on the action.

Blackstone to buy developer involved with Science Center
See link: http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/...-biomed-realty-trust-science-center.html
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