Canada Election 2015 - Page 105

O-tacular · #**2081** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Actually, it's a biblical reference cited by people like Bill Gates. Andrew Carnegie as well, back in the day. But I know you know that.

Did you mean Dale Carnegie?

HomeInMyShoes · #**2082** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 8:20 PM**

My wife was asking why the Conservative candidate wasn't at the debate for our riding. I said that outside of his vote on bills in parliament which will follow what Stephen says, his opinion does not matter.

SignalHillHiker · #**2083** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 8:23 PM**

• Video Link

God love him.

O-tacular · #**2084** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Some of the shop window propaganda common downtown.

I love it!

Gresto · #**2085** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 8:34 PM**

^Good stuff. Man, do we need to be rid of that dictator!

Migs · #**2086** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

God love him.

Nothing shows the liberal media party desperation like digging up an old red tory like Williams.

Odd that they haven't asked Sask Premier Brad Wall of his thoughts.

Blader · #**2087** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:10 PM**

Riding - Calgary Skyview
Highly visible minority - Sikhs , Muslims of many stripes, and others
Conservative incumbent - Muslim
Liberal & NDP candidates - Sikhs
2 independents anti-Bills C51 and C24

The independents have many signs, as do the Liberals & NDP.

My Ahmadiyya neighbor recently changed signs from Conservative to NDP.

The sign wars favors NDP with Liberals close.

Three hundred eight has to be totally wrong at this riding level.

My thinking is because of Bills C51 & C24 and the niqab debate and second class Canadians and the Barbaric Cultural Practices Act has freaked those in my riding. All suffering being painted by a brush though narrow in appearance, still broad in effect?

If I'm right, I wonder if this might be happening countrywide in ridings with similar demographics?

flar · #**2088** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by eternallyme

It's the reason why:

* Most of rural and small town Canada, west of the Ottawa River, has been put out of reach by the Conservatives and the opposition parties are no longer competitive in those ridings, even though they have lost significant ground primarily in Greater Toronto and Greater Vancouver.

* The Conservatives (and Bloc) have made significant late inroads in Quebec, especially outside Greater Montreal.

I was in a small town south of Ottawa last weekend, stopped to get some poutine from a fry truck with my family. There was a old guy talking with another old guy about how he "told off" some "A-rab". Strangely enough this Arab was black and had a turban. This is all too common among the small town Tim Horton's crowd. It reminded me of the old variety store in the village where I lived for a couple years. It was known as the " Paki store". Little did the locals know the owners were from North Africa. Probably best they didn't know that, actually. You don't want to know what I've heard people say about Aboriginal people.

I don't think we should rag on these people for being racist, it stems more from ignorance, fear and lack of exposure. These attitudes are slowly dwindling as the old timers pass on.

The problem as I see it, is that the Conservatives are using these attitudes, exploiting them for their own gain. We kindly call the niqab and its islamophobic underpinnings a "wedge issue." But it's playing with fire. The Conservatives are being extremely irresponsible by playing with these forces. I think it's a first in modern Canadian politics. Whatever you think of the issue personally is not the point. The point is these are divisive, hate-fueled politics and I'm sad to see Canada stoop to these lows.

Harper and all Conservatives should be ashamed of themselves. They know exactly what they're doing and its unethical and unbecoming of our political representatives.

Migs · #**2089** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

And yet Harper proposes a tip hotline to tattle on your neighbour, a security bill with purposely vague definitions and language that can be applied to almost any citizen, employs an army of social media spies to monitor his own MP's not to mention regular Canadians, and that's fine? I swear Trudeau could do away with taxes all together and you'd still be in disagreement.

What is wrong with a tip line if your living beside the next Micheal Bibeau?

Do you honestly think Trudeau & Mulcair don't have people who monitor their workers online activity?

Trudeau do away with taxes? Yeah that's like saying the Pope is joining ISIS.

ssiguy · #**2090** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:19 PM**

What a lot of Conservative supporters don't understand is that the other 70% of Canadians are not adverse to a return to the classic PROGRESSIVE Conservative platforms.

Harper has managed to wipe out any form discourse both outside the party and within it. For many it's not so much the Conservative platform as much as it is how Harper governs. There is a big difference between being a strong leader and a dictator. Harper views Canada as a fiefdom to be ruled over not governed.

His only concern is for his own personal gain. It's small wonder he's separated from Laureen.............. he reserves all his love and affection for himself. It's a wonder how the man can break away himself away from the mirror every morning.

Policies and governments come and go and some we love and others we hate. That's the nature of politics and it always has been and always will be. Harper, however, has made his vengeance person............in short the guy is an egotistical and arrogant prick.

The reason he has never been liked by Canadians {including hard core Conservative} is because he is a genuinely nasty individual .

Migs · #**2091** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

I love it!

You love propaganda that promotes fighting Conservatives with guns? Lots of irony out there today.

Migs · #**2092** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

What a lot of Conservative supporters don't understand is that the other 70% of Canadians are not adverse to a return to the classic PROGRESSIVE Conservative platforms.

Harper has managed to wipe out any form discourse both outside the party and within it. For many it's not so much the Conservative platform as much as it is how Harper governs. There is a big difference between being a strong leader and a dictator. Harper views Canada as a fiefdom to be ruled over not governed.

His only concern is for his own personal gain. It's small wonder he's separated from Laureen.............. he reserves all his love and affection for himself. It's a wonder how the man can break away himself away from the mirror every morning.

Policies and governments come and go and some we love and others we hate. That's the nature of politics and it always has been and always will be. Harper, however, has made his vengeance person............in short the guy is an egotistical and arrogant prick.

The reason he has never been liked by Canadians {including hard core Conservative} is because he is a genuinely nasty individual .

You've seriously lost it. What the hell is the matter with you? This whole election is turning you & a couple others towards delerium.

Xelebes · #**2093** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:25 PM**

The Aussie the Tories brought in continues to do his wonders.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-niqab-ban-public-servants-1.3258943

Chum, chum, chum. . .

dreambrother808 · #**2094** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migs

You love propaganda that promotes fighting Conservatives with guns? Lots of irony out there today.

Oh this made me laugh.

It's like something an absurdist comedian would say, with the joke obviously being that the opinion is ridiculous.

Migs · #**2095** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Xelebes

The Aussie the Tories brought in continues to do his wonders.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-niqab-ban-public-servants-1.3258943

Chum, chum, chum. . .

Blame the CBC. The day following the biggest trade deal in Canadian history & they decide to title the story about the Niqab. Large majority of Canadians are against the Niqab & it's oppression of women, good on Mr Harper for siding with Canadian values where no woman should be forced to cover their face.

Migs · #**2096** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Oh this made me laugh.

It's like something am absurdist comedian would say, with the joke obviously being that the opinion is ridiculous.

I was pointing out the irony. Could you imagine the outrage if there was a poster of Conservatives with guns saying lets go fight Liberals? It would lead off the CBC newscast.

ainvan · #**2097** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:35 PM**

Conservative candidate touts therapies to turn gay youth straight

'Is it wrong for a homosexual to become a normal person?' Jagdish Grewal wrote in editorial

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A Conservative candidate in suburban Toronto is defending therapies that attempt to turn gays straight, having penned an editorial that referred to homosexuality as "unnatural behaviour" and heterosexuals as "normal."

Jagdish Grewal, running in Mississauga-Malton, wrote an editorial in the Punjabi Post earlier this year entitled "Is it wrong for a homosexual to become a normal person?"

He describes an NDP private member's bill passed unanimously in the Ontario legislature in June that removed public funding for services designed to "change or direct the sexual orientation or gender identity of a patient."

Grewal writes in the piece that some psychologists blame a "shock" during childhood for causing a person to become gay, but that the change "can be corrected."

"The political competition of today raises the question of whether any person's wish to become a normal person is wrong?" Grewal wrote in Punjabi.

"If it is a parent's right to set guidelines for their children in terms of their education, career and health, then why is it illegal for them to strengthen their natural heterosexuality?"

CBC

ainvan · #**2098** Posted **Oct 6, 2015, 9:37 PM**

The Closing of the Canadian Mind

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The prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, has called an election for Oct. 19, but he doesn’t want anyone to talk about it.

He has chosen not to participate in the traditional series of debates on national television, confronting his opponents in quieter, less public venues, like the scholarly Munk Debates and CPAC, Canada’s equivalent of CSPAN. His own campaign events were subject to gag orders until a public outcry forced him to rescind the forced silence of his supporters.

Mr. Harper’s campaign for re-election has so far been utterly consistent with the personality trait that has defined his tenure as prime minister: his peculiar hatred for sharing information.

Americans have traditionally looked to Canada as a liberal haven, with gun control, universal health care and good public education.

But the nine and half years of Mr. Harper’s tenure have seen the slow-motion erosion of that reputation for open, responsible government. His stance has been a know-nothing conservatism, applied broadly and effectively. He has consistently limited the capacity of the public to understand what its government is doing, cloaking himself and his Conservative Party in an entitled secrecy, and the country in ignorance.

His relationship to the press is one of outright hostility. At his notoriously brief news conferences, his handlers vet every journalist, picking and choosing who can ask questions. In the usual give-and-take between press and politicians, the hurly-burly of any healthy democracy, he has simply removed the give.

Mr. Harper’s war against science has been even more damaging to the capacity of Canadians to know what their government is doing. The prime minister’s base of support is Alberta, a western province financially dependent on the oil industry, and he has been dedicated to protecting petrochemical companies from having their feelings hurt by any inconvenient research.

In 2012, he tried to defund government research centers in the High Arctic, and placed Canadian environmental scientists under gag orders. That year, National Research Council members were barred from discussing their work on snowfall with the media. Scientists for the governmental agency Environment Canada, under threat of losing their jobs, have been banned from discussing their research without political approval. Mentions of federal climate change research in the Canadian press have dropped 80 percent. The union that represents federal scientists and other professionals has, for the first time in its history, abandoned neutrality to campaign against Mr. Harper.

His active promotion of ignorance extends into the functions of government itself. Most shockingly, he ended the mandatory long-form census, a decision protested by nearly 500 organizations in Canada, including the Canadian Medical Association, the Canadian Chamber of Commerce and the Canadian Catholic Council of Bishops. In the age of information, he has stripped Canada of its capacity to gather information about itself. The Harper years have seen a subtle darkening of Canadian life.

The darkness has resulted, organically, in one of the most scandal-plagued administrations in Canadian history.

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Despite being left in a luxurious position of strength after the global recession, he coasted on what he knew: oil. In the run-up to the election, the Bank of Canada has announced that Canada just had two straight quarters of contraction — the technical definition of a recession. He has been a poor manager by any metric.

But the worst of the Harper years is that all this secrecy and informational control have been at the service of no larger vision for the country. The policies that he has undertaken have been negligible — more irritating distractions than substantial changes. He is “tough on crime,” and so he has built more prisons at great expense at the exact moment when even American conservatives have realized that over-incarceration causes more problems than it solves. Then there is a new law that allows the government to revoke citizenship for dual citizens convicted of terrorism or high treason — effectively creating levels of Canadianness and problems where none existed.

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The early polls show Mr. Harper trailing, but he’s beaten bad polls before. He has been prime minister for nearly a decade for a reason: He promised a steady and quiet life, undisturbed by painful facts. The Harper years have not been terrible; they’ve just been bland and purposeless. Mr. Harper represents the politics of willful ignorance. It has its attractions.

Whether or not he loses, he will leave Canada more ignorant than he found it. The real question for the coming election is a simple but grand one: Do Canadians like their country like that?