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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 4:02 AM
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honestly i dont see the appeal of condos. as an early 30-something whos still renting but (hopefully) will buy something in the next few years, id much rather have a small house with space for a garden. whats the appeal of shared walls and assessments and condo boards? id rather skip over that entirely, although i understand trendy areas will not have SFHs affordable to most first time home buyers. even still, id much rather live somewhere less trendy for the trade off...ive kind of exhausted everything i can get out of restaurant and bar scenes during my 20s quite honestly. id be perfectly content with a 100k 2 bedroom in little village or whatever.

or i suppose i should say, condos are a lot less appealing given their typical price. id have less of a problem if they were much cheaper than SFHs, but they rarely are. and if youre chasing "newness", its always gonna be a losing battle because new buildings are gonna come on board the next cycle and you've just lost the only selling point your building had. if im paying to own, i certainty want a space i can do with what i want, play with some dirt, refinish some furniture, listen to music at volumes i like, and not worry about listening to neighbors footsteps. i know SFHs get demonized here, but the reality is its the way most people prefer to live given the opportunity.
Location. Ability to walk to hundreds of thousands of jobs as well as every cuisine imaginable, and so on.

No work. Just taking garbage to the chute and occasionally recycling to the basement.

Quiet. Concrete generally means no footsteps unless some jerk breaks the rules and installed wood flooring with no underlayment for example. No lawn mowers, and dogs aren't barking in the neighbor's yard all night. If they're barking inside and you can hear them, the condo board will deal with it. As they do with wind chimes. Rules aren't necessarily great all the time, but jerks are cracked down upon. If your music is too loud in a concrete condo, it would be too loud to the house next door too.

Low operating cost. Your basic dues probably pay for some utilities and most maintenance, as well as the exercise room, package receipt, building insurance, etc. Low cost compared to the crises that can happen with a house.

Security. Leaving for two weeks doesn't require a thing. You'll never hear from a solicitor again.

As for the benefits of buying vs. renting: much depends on local pricing, which can have a different ratio between the two. But the biggest benefit is typically that in a growing city, a condo is a highly-leveraged investment. If the value goes up (mine is only now estimated higher than what I signed up for in 2007) then you're getting the whole increase, not just the part for the percentage you own.
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 11:41 AM
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^^^^That Halsted and Wellington project may be one of the slowest construction processes I have ever seen. They have been building the masonry walls for the ground and garden floors for probably 5 months now.
     
     
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^ Same contractor as that 5 story hotel in Chinatown? (that's incredibly still not completed!!)
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 2:18 PM
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^^ Agreed. It's become quite ridiculous.

On another note, ground was recently broken on this one, just down the street.


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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 2:36 PM
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^^ Agreed. It's become quite ridiculous.

On another note, ground was recently broken on this one, just down the street.

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The total scope of this one has me a little confused. I'm assuming they are building just the left/north one right now, and would demolish the Reproductive Genetics Institute Building when they get to the 2nd and 3rd phases. I haven't found any evidence that a demo permit has been issued at least. Also, it appears that the brick 3 flat to the south is not part of this development.

Slightly different renderings here: http://stoneberggrossarchitects.com/2825-n-halsted-st.html
I wonder which are most current?
     
     
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honestly i dont see the appeal of condos. as an early 30-something whos still renting but (hopefully) will buy something in the next few years, id much rather have a small house with space for a garden. whats the appeal of shared walls and assessments and condo boards? id rather skip over that entirely, although i understand trendy areas will not have SFHs affordable to most first time home buyers. even still, id much rather live somewhere less trendy for the trade off...ive kind of exhausted everything i can get out of restaurant and bar scenes during my 20s quite honestly. id be perfectly content with a 100k 2 bedroom in little village or whatever.

or i suppose i should say, condos are a lot less appealing given their typical price. id have less of a problem if they were much cheaper than SFHs, but they rarely are. and if youre chasing "newness", its always gonna be a losing battle because new buildings are gonna come on board the next cycle and you've just lost the only selling point your building had. if im paying to own, i certainty want a space i can do with what i want, play with some dirt, refinish some furniture, listen to music at volumes i like, and not worry about listening to neighbors footsteps. i know SFHs get demonized here, but the reality is its the way most people prefer to live given the opportunity.

I live in a 100 year old 3-flat and I honestly cannot hear my neighbors on a regular basis. The common walls are double layer brick and the only noise I can hear are the occasional footsteps upstairs when my neighbor comes home from a long bike ride (wearing those boots that clip onto the peddles). The assessments cover basics that I would have had to pay for anyway like trash, water, exterior lighting, etc. They also cover our capital plan to replace major systems or make exterior repairs when needed. All things you likely wouldn't do as an owner of a SFH and would have paid out of pocket. When the water heater blew it came out of the capital account and not our own pockets. These items are also split seven ways which greatly reduces my personal liability. We also have fourteen people with a wide array of skills which lets us allocate tasks to capable people. It's also fourteen people who can pitch in to do work on the building as needed (we stained our deck, including vertical elements and supports, in 2 hours).

As for price, if you want to live in a fairly dense or desirable neighborhood, say near transportation, then condos are absolutely cheaper than a SFH, especially with comparable interiors. Oftentimes they are dramatically cheaper than SFH's.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2015, 3:10 PM
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As for price, if you want to live in a fairly dense or desirable neighborhood, say near transportation, then condos are absolutely cheaper than a SFH, especially with comparable interiors. Oftentimes they are dramatically cheaper than SFH's.
ain't that ever the truth.

my family lives in a vintage 6 flat in edgewater. our unit has 1,650 SF. we paid $275,000 for it just over a year ago. comparably sized single family houses in our neighborhood started at ~$500,000 for fixer-uppers, with move-in ready houses in the $600,000 - $750,000 range.

that's a significant difference.
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The total scope of this one has me a little confused. I'm assuming they are building just the left/north one right now, and would demolish the Reproductive Genetics Institute Building when they get to the 2nd and 3rd phases. I haven't found any evidence that a demo permit has been issued at least. Also, it appears that the brick 3 flat to the south is not part of this development.

Slightly different renderings here: http://stoneberggrossarchitects.com/2825-n-halsted-st.html
I wonder which are most current?
AFIK, the neighborhood bemoaned the lack of ground-floor retail the first go-around. Leads me to believe that the rendering in link you posted is closer to the final product, and thank goodness for that--hopefully the finished building will be devoid of the ridiculous Medieval nasal helmet-looking piece on the upper floors.
     
     
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ain't that ever the truth.

my family lives in a vintage 6 flat in edgewater. our unit has 1,650 SF. we paid $275,000 for it just over a year ago. comparably sized single family houses in our neighborhood started at ~$500,000 for fixer-uppers, with move-in ready houses in the $600,000 - $750,000 range.

that's a significant difference.

I still think that as a general point though, it's still more affordable to have a SFH of similar size, particularly in the suburbs. For instance, if I wanted a 3000 square foot house with at least 3 bedrooms in a nice suburb, it could probably be had for less than a million bucks. I guess depending on the neighborhood. But in the city, particularly the central area in a condo? No way.
     
     
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I still think that as a general point though, it's still more affordable to have a SFH of similar size, particularly in the suburbs.
sure, that's probably true for many suburbs, but that would then require living in the burbs.

my wife and i weren't quite ready to have our souls completely crushed yet.

in our neighborhood, a place that we actually want to live in, condos are a fraction of the cost of SFH's.
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right exactly my fear. i have nothing against classically inspired buildings, but they never turn out well, and its because of what you cited. i seriously doubt the level of crafstmanship theyre trying to imply in that rendering will come through at all.

it all comes down to budget and the client. Antunovich did the reliance building. theyre not incapable of doing good work. but is that kind of money and attention to detail going to be directed at a new development in Logan Square? doubtful.

That watercolor shows a very handsome building. Everyone knows there is no way in hell the actual product will look remotely close to that..........to the point that even Antunovich himself must realize the inherent dishonesty in that exercise. He's got the track record to prove it.

Also, I think there's a dramatic difference between a restoration job and new construction, in terms of demonstrating an architect's fidelity to authenticity and detail, etc.


Also, different topic - just to throw this in because I can't resist joining the thunderous chorus on this one: That little building proposed on Wabash (just south of Lake) is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. Are you kidding me?! That's hilarious.....absolutely hilarious (only if not built I'll add!) I mean, Christ, at least hire Brininstool or Lynch or somebody to design a streamlined little box or something.....something at least serviceable....
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Does anyone know what's going on on the SW corner of Sheridan and Albion in the Loyola area?
     
     
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Does anyone know what's going on on the SW corner of Sheridan and Albion in the Loyola area?
Loyola Hampton Inn: http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150323/...iversitys-hotel-approved-by-zoning-board
     
     
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Just ... sick of Antunovich. Flair Tower, Bernadin, this bullshit. Some of the most regressive, uninspired, poorly executed nonsense. A clock tower? Come on.
What's funny is the Curbed article declared the clock to be the best feature.

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The proposal is one of those very rare cases where the developer and architect actually made use of the community's input and then later came back with a plan that looks 1,000 times better than what was first presented. The nicest change is the introduction of a clock tower on the northwest end of the development that faces the Illinois Centennial Monument.
Did you guy see the skybridge it has in the middle over the alley?

http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2015/09/30/mega-mall-plan.php
     
     
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What's funny is the Curbed article declared the clock to be the best feature.
Ha, I saw that too.

The elevations look promising, actually. The fenestration/piers/spandrels look proper enough. As long as the facade isn't 2D with cheap windows, it should be OK. That's a big 'if'.
     
     
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no way in hell the actual product will look remotely close to that..........to the point that even Antunovich himself must realize the inherent dishonesty in that exercise. He's got the track record to prove it.
So what is the price to be paid when finished products don't match expectations? If not entirely run out of town, shouldn't developers and architects at least find future proposals fall on deaf ears in other neighborhoods? As well as aldermen having a harder time with reelection.

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Was over at Lincoln/Wellington/Southport for the Octoberfest and was thinking.... man, this intersection could be epic, and obviously they were trying something with the polka dots, but.... They need to do some serious development here and probably just south at Diversey and Southport where the gas station and Tuffys is.

There are some incredible homes being built in this area and this little stretch could use some attention.
     
     
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Hello all, this is only my 2nd post so feel free to move it if in wrong section. I was on this board(well not this board, but the original) a long time ago. Like in the year 2000. I used to live in edgewater, I know I have met Steely, at least I think, again a long time ago.

My name is Tony, had a friend named Arvid who was from Poland and big into skyscrapers as well.

Anyways, now live in burbs, have wife and kids, getting more caught up on projects.

I have always wondered, why has there always been empty land around Harrison and Wells, as well as south of Roosevelt/Clark area. I am sure there is a reason, just don't know.

Also fyi, I married into a great family right up our alley. My father in law is now retired, but was a project manager at Park Tower and 340 Randolph. Got to go up both while under construction at the time, really amazing!
     
     
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Hello all, this is only my 2nd post so feel free to move it if in wrong section. I was on this board(well not this board, but the original) a long time ago. Like in the year 2000. I used to live in edgewater, I know I have met Steely, at least I think, again a long time ago.

My name is Tony, had a friend named Arvid who was from Poland and big into skyscrapers as well.

Anyways, now live in burbs, have wife and kids, getting more caught up on projects.

I have always wondered, why has there always been empty land around Harrison and Wells, as well as south of Roosevelt/Clark area. I am sure there is a reason, just don't know.

Also fyi, I married into a great family right up our alley. My father in law is now retired, but was a project manager at Park Tower and 340 Randolph. Got to go up both while under construction at the time, really amazing!
Welcome, I'm guessing your in law worked for lend lease (maybe related). Am I correct? If so lend lease is heading the construction at harrison and wells which will be a multi tower complex ranging from town homes to a 600 foot skyscraper. Roosevelt and clark is being designed by Related (who owns Park tower and 340 on Park) and are currently in the design phase for that parcel. I also might be entirely wrong, when it comes for which company he works for.

SO hopefully you can get some info.


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