Canada Election 2015

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Count me in there too....at this point. I've flipped to all 3 parties through this.

Wow. I wasn't sold on that prediction until you said that. What swayed you?

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by geotag277

This sounds like whiny baby politics to me. It's a legislative assembly. If a proposed piece of legislation is characteristic of the representation that NDP representatives agree wtih, why wouldn't they support it?

I feel like these types of immature "take my ball and go home" politics are poisonous to our democracy. I think the likely outcome of these babies obstructing governance is exactly what happened last time there was a no confidence vote, and it didn't turn out well for the opposition.

In all honesty, there is no reason why a minority government cannot be fully functional and why the parties cannot compromise with each other on providing a wide net of representation. Clearly we have strong support for all three parties in this country, which means Canadians expect to be represented in some capacity by all three.

Hows about we all grow up, talk to each other, and show some maturity by actually attempting to have a functioning minority government in this country for once.

Based on Harper's hyper-partisan style you can't exactly blame Mulcair for saying that. To me he's stating the obvious in a humorous way.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Me&You

Another post, just trying to bump to the next page, to avoid any chance of seeing O-Tac's disgusting picture.

Mods - really?

Lol!

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I'm sure he'll just re-post that disgusting picture on the next page anyway just to annoy all the Tories on the forum.........

Don't give me ideas now....

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Migs

And all these whispers of a coalition will push the Conservatives to a majority just like last time.

Ignatieff isn't in the picture this time and neither is the Bloc. Hate to break it to you MIGS but Harper's days are numbered.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Aylmer

No, a coalition has been ruled out by the Liberals for better or for worse. I know you'll probably roll your eyes at this, but there is indeed a difference between a coalition government and a governing agreement.

Basically this -

Coalition = different parties are in the cabinet as ministers. So you could have a NDP health minister and a LPC finance minister.

Governing agreement = ONE party forms the cabinet, but it's supported by a second party which agrees to vote WITH the government on important votes in order to avoid forcing an election (Throne Speech bill, budget, etc.) for a certain period of time.




But what the hell: COALITION LEFTIES LOSE!!! HARPER WINS UNANIMITY!!!!!!

Trudeau's being coy. If it came down to it I think you'd see the Libs and NDP work together in either scenario 1 or 2.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by lio45

Completely agree!

"We don't even know what they're going to suggest, but whatever it is, we can already say we'll be totally opposed to it."

Extremely silly behavior from both NDP and LPC. I'd even say unbelievable, but in politics this type of BS unfortunately doesn't surprise me.

This purely childish attitude has me thinking that both Mulcair and Trudeau are Just Not Ready. (Actually not kidding.) Is it too much to ask to have adults in Parliament? (This just said, I have to point out my home riding elected a teenager last time, ironically.)

Why would you topple the CPC immediately if they're the ones who just got the most seats from Canadians? They deserve a fair shot at policy-making... at least wait 'till they (try to) do something inacceptable to you! This advance announcement is pure nonsense.

Have you watched question periods in the last year? The conservatives boo Justin Trudeau when he speaks and shout to try and shut up the opposition from asking questions. They also stupidly laugh as obnoxiously as possible at every snipe made by dear leader at Mulcair or Trudeau. They sound like a group of orcs (or trained seals). If you want to talk about childish behaviour the Conservatives are the leaders. They are downright bullies.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Wow. I wasn't sold on that prediction until you said that. What swayed you?

I was a Liberal before I was a Conservative supporter. I'm generally a conservative Liberal.

I like some things about the Conservatives, to be sure, but I'm not great fan of Harper, so, I think it's time for a change and new leadership.

I really like Thomas Mulcair. I think he's a Liberal in NDP clothing, and I was very close to voting NDP because of that...that said there's too many far left people in his party, and I'm not sure he can control them without the same kind of dictatorial attitude as Harper.

I don't like Justin Trudeau, but on everything...and I mean everything, the Liberals, IMO, have the best plan for Canada at this point. If Trudeau was Mulcair, again, IMO, this would be no contest.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Unless Quebec also shifts to the LPC, I find it hard to believe that they could garner enough support entirely outside Quebec for them to actually surpass the NDP. But then again, time will tell.

Am actually following Quebec quite closely. Again, QC voters can surprise at the end of the day. Very fickle.

Today, QC pollster Leger released a large sample size (n = 1023) in QC and these are Leger`s findings:

NDP Losing Momentum In Quebec In New Léger Poll

DANIEL LEBLANC
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, Sep. 23, 2015 5:10PM EDT

The NDP is losing momentum at the hands of all three of its rivals in Quebec ahead of the first French-language debate that will test the party’s ability to sustain the 2011 Orange Wave, a new Léger poll has found.

According to the poll, provided to The Globe and Mail, the NDP has the support of 38 per cent of voters in Quebec, down 8% over three weeks. Meanwhile, the Liberals are up 2 points to 22%, the Bloc is up 2 points to 20% and the Conservatives are up 5 points to 18%.

“The NDP had the wind in their sails, but now they are facing headwinds,” pollster Jean-Marc Léger said in an interview. “The party’s support is being carved up by the [other] three parties, which each have their strengths in different parts of the province.”

The NDP seems to be struggling to “keep together the coalition of voters” that led to the party’s historic victory in Quebec in 2011, Mr. Léger added.

Outside of Quebec, Mr. Léger said it’s a “two-way race” between the Conservative Party (35 per cent) and the Liberal Party (34 per cent), with the NDP trailing at 25 per cent.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...uebec-in-new-leger-poll/article26504053/

So yeah, in the RoC, outside QC, it`s now a 2-way race between the Cons and Liberals according to Leger.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Have you watched question periods in the last year? The conservatives boo Justin Trudeau when he speaks and shout to try and shut up the opposition from asking questions. They also stupidly laugh as obnoxiously as possible at every snipe made by dear leader at Mulcair or Trudeau. They sound like a group of orcs (or trained seals). If you want to talk about childish behaviour the Conservatives are the leaders. They are downright bullies.

Why do people think this is some new novel approach to question periods?

The house has been a circus since it was created. You think booing and acting obnoxious is something the Conservatives invented?

[ozonemania]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Why do people think this is some new novel approach to question periods?

The house has been a circus since it was created. You think booing and acting obnoxious is something the Conservatives invented?

No, but they could have put a stop to it by setting a good example. Especially in the context of a majority government. They could have chosen to play nice and actually pretend to entertain oppositions' ideas (and did they wanted anyway), but no. They choose to smack someone while they're down, disgracing the idea that the opposition is there for a good reason.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by ozonemania

No, but they could have put a stop to it by setting a good example.

No one has for about 300 years.

[*Stardust*]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Why do people think this is some new novel approach to question periods?

The house has been a circus since it was created. You think booing and acting obnoxious is something the Conservatives invented?

https://youtu.be/f2kRv0kW5Oc

Yeah a circus! Get out the tranquilizers cause these guys are out of control!

I agree with you by the way. I'm just being a smart 🞵🞵🞵

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Why do people think this is some new novel approach to question periods?

The house has been a circus since it was created. You think booing and acting obnoxious is something the Conservatives invented?

I would suggest that what the Harper Conservatives HAVE done is take NOT answering questions to a new high (low?). I seems to me part of their general disrespect for Parliament.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I would suggest that what the Harper Conservatives HAVE done is take NOT answering questions to a new high (low?). I seems to me part of their general disrespect for Parliament.

The Liberals were no different.

[Aylmer]

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[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

The Liberals were no different.

Memories fade, so I can't dispute that. If the Liberals were to form the government, I would hope that their proposed governance reforms committee would take a look at things like question period and the power of the Speaker to reign in/push MPs.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by ozonemania

No, but they could have put a stop to it by setting a good example. Especially in the context of a majority government. They could have chosen to play nice and actually pretend to entertain oppositions' ideas (and did they wanted anyway), but no. They choose to smack someone while they're down, disgracing the idea that the opposition is there for a good reason.

Sure, let's forget about the behaviour of every other party in the history of Canada in the house of commons and blame everything on the Conservatives not setting a good example.

There is partisanship and then there is partisanship. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the Conservatives, but these silly reasons like picking out the language they use and pretending that they are the first party in the history of Canada to treat the house like a circus is disingenuous absurd hypocritical garbage.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by Me&You

That would be nice, but it's wishful thinking...

Wishful thinking to have our politicians actually act like adults and work with each other to do the job they were elected to do which is represent Canadians?

I know, it seems impossible these days. And all parties are playing the "take my ball and go home" game, it's not unique to any one of them.

But I think it is possible we will see a functioning minority government in our lifetimes, but I have no illusions it won't happen before several years of expensive and poisonous political grandstanding. I'm absolutely positive a minority government in 2015 will not last long, no matter who gets elected.

But there is a chance. Perhaps a slim chance. That after 2 or 3 votes of no confidence in as many years, minority government after minority government getting elected, and leaving our politicians no other options but to work together, I think there is a chance they might get the message Canadians are giving them. That we are divided in what we want as a country and we expect you idiots who we are paying almost 200 grand a year to figure it out amongst yourselves on how best to deliver on your promise and oath to represent us to the best of your ability.

Wishful thinking? Sure. But I think our country is currently too divided to get off this inevitable train. And it's about time we took our government to task on operating without mandates and ramming legislation through which 60+ % of the country does not agree with. It will be the best thing to possibly happen to Canadian democracy. Forget majorities. Forget mandates. Forget playing for your favourite team. It's time to see maturity, compromise, and true broad representation.

[ozonemania]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Sure, let's forget about the behaviour of every other party in the history of Canada in the house of commons and blame everything on the Conservatives not setting a good example.

There is partisanship and then there is partisanship. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the Conservatives, but these silly reasons like picking out the language they use and pretending that they are the first party in the history of Canada to treat the house like a circus is disingenuous absurd hypocritical garbage.

Never said anything about how they compare to other parties, past or present. You're reading with your own bias, that somehow my argument against the Conservatives is an argument for everyone else. The Harper Conservatives had a choice on how they wanted to govern and they own that for better or for worse.