Canada Election 2015 - Page 22

*Stardust* · #**421** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 9:41 PM**

NDP has been losing steam at the polls

I hope it's just a temporary dip. Mulcair needs to bring his A-game to the next couple of debates.

drew · #**422** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Completely agree!

"We don't even know what they're going to suggest, but whatever it is, we can already say we'll be totally opposed to it."

Extremely silly behavior from both NDP and LPC. I'd even say unbelievable, but in politics this type of BS unfortunately doesn't surprise me.

This purely childish attitude has me thinking that both Mulcair and Trudeau are Just Not Ready. (Actually not kidding.) Is it too much to ask to have adults in Parliament? (This just said, I have to point out my home riding elected a teenager last time, ironically.)

Why would you topple the CPC immediately if they're the ones who just got the most seats from Canadians? They deserve a fair shot at policy-making... at least wait 'till they (try to) do something inacceptable to you! This advance announcement is pure nonsense.

The NDP and Liberals are simply trying to shore up their support. If they come out and say "yes we will work within a coalition" that will likely lead to more strategic voting on the left. If the the NDP and Liberals are likely to work together anyway - what does it matter which one you vote for? If they come out and say "we might work with Harper" that may lead people to the other party that won't... etc. etc.

Both the NDP and Liberal supporters have basically zero support for Harper. At this point saying you won't work with him isn't going to hurt them among their supporters, and may actually galvanize support.

Also, if the tables were turned, I cannot imagine Stephen Harper saying anything any different, so I don't get the criticisms.

Migs · #**423** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by *Stardust*

NDP has been losing steam at the polls

I hope it's just a temporary dip. Mulcair needs to bring his A-game to the next couple of debates.

You mean a great big bag of other people's stuff?

Migs · #**424** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Mulcair supports the status quo - i.e. a woman can wear the veil while taking the oath as long as she unveils for officials prior to the oath to establish her identity.

A CBC poll, yes a CBC poll suggests that over 75% of Canadians (91% of Quebecers) are against that. Harper's trump card.

SignalHillHiker · #**425** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:12 PM**

Finally found a video of the exchange. I think Seamus handled this well. And, given my political views, I love that this sort of thing is still the very first questions that came up in the debate.

https://www.facebook.com/cbcnl/videos/10153683521962174/

ssiguy · #**426** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

I'm voting NDP (I live in Peter Julian's riding and he's pretty much a shoe-in to get in) but I'd be fine with a Liberal minority. If I lived in a riding where the NDP and Liberals were closer I'd vote more strategically so that the Conservatives don't get in, but I don't so I won't.

You perfectly exemplify what I said..............you will vote with conviction if your choice has a good chance of winning but will use pragmatism when casting your ballot.......you will vote strategically to oust Harper.

Current daily polls do not take strategic voting into account.............they get the responses of who people want to win but not necessarily who they will vote for and that is a VERY important distinction.

This is why I stand by my forecast.............a Liberal minority government.

SteelTown · #**427** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:37 PM**

Ugh Alex Johnstone, NDP candidate for Hamilton West/Ancaster/Dundas riding, did a major screw up today.

Yesterday it was revealed in her Facebook comment that an electrified fence around Auschwitz looked like a bunch of 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. She said "Ahhh, the infamous Pollish (sic), phallic, hydro posts … of course you took pictures of this! It expresses the how the curve is normal, natural, and healthy right!"

Well to make it much more worst during the debate last night she said "Well, I didn't know what Auschwitz was, or I didn't up until today."

Seriously?! *facepalm* You don't know what Auschwitz is?

News article about it:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5927450-ndp-s-alex-johnstone-didn-t-know-what-auschwitz-was/

Bcasey25raptor · #**428** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:38 PM**

I'm also going to call this a Liberal minority victory.

The NDP will thankfully collapse quite a bit near the end of this campaign handing the keys to the Liberals.

Tories will be in second place while the NDP will be back in 3rd.

SignalHillHiker · #**429** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

Ugh Alex Johnstone, NDP candidate for Hamilton West/Ancaster/Dundas riding, did a major screw up today.

Yesterday it was revealed in her Facebook comment that an electrified fence around Auschwitz looked like a bunch of 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. She said "Ahhh, the infamous Pollish (sic), phallic, hydro posts … of course you took pictures of this! It expresses the how the curve is normal, natural, and healthy right!"

Well to make it much more worst during the debate last night she said "Well, I didn't know what Auschwitz was, or I didn't up until today."

Seriously?! *facepalm* You don't know what Auschwitz is?

News article about it:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5927450-ndp-s-alex-johnstone-didn-t-know-what-auschwitz-was/

That`s fantastic.

SteelTown · #**430** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:44 PM**

Therefore, lock up Hamilton West/Ancaster/Dundas as a Liberal win.

Bcasey25raptor · #**431** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:46 PM**

with a little shy of 1 month to go before the election, Time for predictions.

Trudeau will win a minority, Tories in second place, NDP third by a large margin.

As the election ends, the NDP will turf Mulcair and elect the loony left as leader (not sure who this will be yet, but think Bernie sanders style loony left).

Harper will resign and a leadership review will occur in the tory ranks probably giving jason kenny the leadership position.

Election again in 2 years.

Nouvellecosse · #**432** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 10:55 PM**

Nearly a month left is really time for predictions? Seems extremely premature to me...

GlassCity · #**433** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

with a little shy of 1 month to go before the election, Time for predictions.

Trudeau will win a minority, Tories in second place, NDP third by a large margin.

As the election ends, the NDP will turf Mulcair and elect the loony left as leader (not sure who this will be yet, but think Bernie sanders style loony left).

Harper will resign and a leadership review will occur in the tory ranks probably giving jason kenny the leadership position.

Election again in 2 years.

While I also support the Liberals, what happened to "I will bet $100 the CPC wins and the Conservatives are Canada's new natural governing party"???

Bcasey25raptor · #**434** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Nearly a month left is really time for predictions? Seems extremely premature to me...

I maintain my view the NDP is unelectable and that their numbers will continue to plummet leading to a Liberal surge near the end of the campaign.

I believe this since most people voting for one of the other parties mainly want to keep Harper out and they will vote for whomever at the time has a higher chance of defeating harper.

This isn't 2011, the Liberals are no longer decimated.

Bcasey25raptor · #**435** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

While I also support the Liberals, what happened to "I will bet $100 the CPC wins and the Conservatives are Canada's new natural governing party"???

The fact I have 4 conservative friends voting Liberal, that's what happened.

Also can you fault me for being optimistic?

Also I stand by the "Natural governing party" statement.

Why you might ask?
Because unless Trudeau is really popular, the conservatives will win again in the next election.

Nouvellecosse · #**436** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:13 PM**

Unless Quebec also shifts to the LPC, I find it hard to believe that they could garner enough support entirely outside Quebec for them to actually surpass the NDP. But then again, time will tell.

ssiguy · #**437** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Nearly a month left is really time for predictions? Seems extremely premature to me...

In nearly all elections I would agree but this isn't a normal election.

Remember there may be a month left which is a long time in politics but the election has also been going on for a month. This is by far the longest election in modern Canadian history so many, particularly Conservatives, have already made up their minds. This is especially true as in a normal campaign we wouldn't have even had our first debate yet by we already have 2 under out belts.

We have also seen poll after poll saying that this is a three-way race and all of them have shown a statistical tie when taking in the margin of error. From here on in it's mostly just a few swing ridings that will take the day and most of that will be decided by the strategic voting of the ABC constituency.

travis3000 · #**438** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:52 PM**

My guess is ... strong Con minority of around 160 seats. You'll see them pick up in support as we head into October. Trudeau will be official opposition with around 100 seats. The rest go to NDP, maybe 1-3 Green/Bloq seats.

jmt18325 · #**439** Posted **Sep 23, 2015, 11:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

The fact I have 4 conservative friends voting Liberal, that's what happened.

Count me in there too....at this point. I've flipped to all 3 parties through this.

GlassCity · #**440** Posted **Sep 24, 2015, 12:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

The fact I have 4 conservative friends voting Liberal, that's what happened.

Also can you fault me for being optimistic?

Also I stand by the "Natural governing party" statement.

Why you might ask?
Because unless Trudeau is really popular, the conservatives will win again in the next election.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives continue winning either. This is why hopefully this time we manage to go through some sort of electoral reform where votes aren't split and people don't have to vote strategically, but rather for who they really want. People should vote out of hope, not fear. I think if that happens, Conservative governments will occur far less often. Hell, I'd have loved to vote for the Greens this election, but the current system makes that vote useless.