Canada Election 2015

[Migs]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

Isn't that the old Liberal campaign strategy?
Campaign from the left and rule from the right?
Or was "Screw the west, we'll take the rest!"

All parties feed us a line of — during the election and then when they get in its "OMG the books are soooo bad that we'll have to delay these promises (except the ones where we plan to cut - hello EH101, and now F-35) til a later date!"

Remember in 93 when the entire Liberal platform was to repeal the GST. They got elected then changed their minds.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by SteelTown

Won't be fully implemented for EIGHT years. Two majority mandates away too.

Mulcair pressed on feasibility of child-care plan

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mulcair-pressed-on-feasibility-of-child-care-plan-1.2574359

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair continues to face questions over the timeline and feasibility of his promise to create one million affordable child care spaces.

In an interview with CTV Atlantic’s Steve Murphy, Mulcair was asked whether the plan would benefit parents who currently have pre-school-aged children.

“Everybody with a young children today has an interest in making sure we have for the future a quality, affordable child care system,” the NDP leader responded.

When asked when the plan will be fully realized, Mulcair told Murphy the details have been published and “everybody can go online and find it.”

When pressed, Mulcair said, “it’s eight years, but at the end of the first mandate, at the end of four years, it will already be 60 per cent in place.”

The NDP has spelled out in documents from the beginning that its plan for one million spaces costing parents no more than $15 a day would take eight years to fully achieve, and that the provinces would need to agree to provide 40 per cent of the funding.

I'm not affected (other than to help pay for it), but it is an important initiative and one that merits a national discussion. Unfortunately, all we've got is an election campaign.

[artvandelay]

It's nice to see the Conservatives gaining some momentum. I didn't think they had much of a chance in this election campaign I'm now hopeful they can hang on to a minority mandate.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I think it's because everyone always thinks that somehow, one day they'll become part of the 1%. It's the dream that allows the rich to get the poor to enslave themselves. That's why — like Kevin O'Leary are so popular.

The most adamant right-winger and Conservative supporter I have in my entourage is an old high school buddy that I am friends with on Facebook. He is a labourer who installs drywall for a bit more than minimum wage. He lives in a small Franco-Ontarian town just east of Ottawa.

I am not sure he has any illusions about making it big someday anymore (he is pushing 50) but something about the Conservative rhetoric registers with him: from — to hijabs to low taxes for corporations to social programs that only help freeloaders...

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The most adamant right-winger and Conservative supporter I have in my entourage is an old high school buddy that I am friends with on Facebook. He is a labourer who installs drywall for a bit more than minimum wage. He lives in a small Franco-Ontarian town just east of Ottawa.

I am not sure he has any illusions about making it big someday anymore (he is pushing 50) but something about the Conservative rhetoric registers with him: from — to hijabs to low taxes for corporations to social programs that only help freeloaders...

There is a certain simplicity to this school of thought. It's very black and white which is appealing and comforting to many.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I think it's because everyone always thinks that somehow, one day they'll become part of the 1%. It's the dream that allows the rich to get the poor to enslave themselves. That's why — like Kevin O'Leary are so popular.

I think you're giving them too much credit. From my experience, the issue is that people don't see the money that governments collect as common money that's used for things that they themselves use. They think of the government as some 3rd party that's taking money from both them and others and using it for itself. I hear lots of these types saying things such as "Oh the government is so greedy" and "I don't bother voting 'cas they're all just out to feather their own nests!"

When the government doesn't do things they want it to do like upgrade roads, lower health care wait times, decrease school class sizes, etc. they complain that the government is lazy and incompetent. But then if the government wants to collect revenue to pay for new services, they complain that it's greedy and doesn't deserve it because it hasn't done everything they wanted. But it isn't that they're libertarian and want more privatization because they also complain just as much about big greedy corporations. They just lack sufficient intellect to form rational positions on public policy.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I'm not affected (other than to help pay for it), but it is an important initiative and one that merits a national discussion. Unfortunately, all we've got is an election campaign.

I love how Mulcair keeps thinking that all the provinces are just going to merrily go along with all his spending plans!
$15 per day Day Care? No problem the provinces will pick up 40% of the tab won't you guys?
Oh yes Thomas because you are so smart and Ewokish, we'll go along with anything you say!

You just have to look at some of the epic fights PET and Mulroney had with ALL the other provinces when they were pushing their agendas.

I am almost at the point of hoping for a NDP majority victory just to see the looks on their faces when the reality of national government delivers a Mike Tyson type uppercut to their dreams.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Why is it that so many working class people vote against their own best interests? Bait and switch? Purple KoolAid? I just don't get it.

People have been voting against their self interest since forever.

I think the biggest problem is people just don't understand the issues. There is a serious lack of critical thinking in political discourse. It's 99% "My Guy" versus "Your Guy" policies be damned.

Higher quality education and a discipline of actually questioning our potential representatives (even the ones we support) go hand in hand.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by SteelTown

Main reason why I'm totally supporting Trudeau. Heck yeah I'll take a 2% reduction on my income tax rate.

Between Trudeau not lowering EI as much as Harper, and Trudeau actually increasing required CPP contributions, will you actually have more money in your pocket each pay cheque even with that 2% reduction?

Serious question. Do you even know?

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by esquire

There is a certain simplicity to this school of thought. It's very black and white which is appealing and comforting to many.

Same reason religion is so popular around the world It is no surprise that right wing politics throughout the world are often associated with said country's largest religion.

[WharfRat]

Originally Posted by Migs

Remember in 93 when the entire Liberal platform was to repeal the GST. They got elected then changed their minds.

Pretty easy to do a back and forth here….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9mibZYpVPY

[Migs]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I think it's because everyone always thinks that somehow, one day they'll become part of the 1%. It's the dream that allows the rich to get the poor to enslave themselves. That's why — like Kevin O'Leary are so popular.

Kevin OLeary is popular because he is a successful, intelligent, very hardworking man who made his fortune on his own. Of course that is foreign to your stay at home & live off welfare left wing mentality.

[kwoldtimer]

So, a question for our Quebec-based forummers. What are the chances that the French-language debates will degenerate into yelling matches about Quebec secession and 50% +1? It seems like that would be a Bloc — and something the other leaders would want to avoid like the plague, but I'm wondering if Trudeau will be able to (or should) restrain himself?

[SteelTown]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Between Trudeau not lowering EI as much as Harper, and Trudeau actually increasing required CPP contributions, will you actually have more money in your pocket each pay cheque even with that 2% reduction?

Serious question. Do you even know?

EI deductions comes out of your paycheck and probably equates to a few cents more and it basically reverse Harper’s EI changes.

I'm all for more CPP contributions, eventually you get that money back. Anything to help improve for future retirement because we know the Conservatives aren't going to do anything for better pensions.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by geotag277

Between Trudeau not lowering EI as much as Harper, and Trudeau actually increasing required CPP contributions, will you actually have more money in your pocket each pay cheque even with that 2% reduction?

Serious question. Do you even know?

But CPP contributions aren't taxes, they are deferred savings.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by Migs

Kevin OLeary is popular because he is a successful, intelligent, very hardworking man who made his fortune on his own. Of course that is foreign to your stay at home & live off welfare left wing mentality.

He made his fortune by brokering a deal that ended up costing Mattel billions and threatened the existence of their company.

He got lucky during the dot com bubble. Let's not overstate his intelligence and the merits of his fortune.

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by SteelTown

EI deductions comes out of your paycheck and probably equates to a few cents more and it basically reverse Harper’s EI changes.

I'm all for more CPP contributions, eventually you get that money back. Anything to help improve for future retirement because we know the Conservatives aren't going to do anything for better pensions.

So the answer is a resounding "No, I don't know". Got it.

[MolsonExport]

Much like religion, the doctrine of trickle-down economics* is accepted, so unquestioningly, by those that have the most to lose from such policies.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” (Mark Twain)

*or, old chestnuts like "Reagan ended the cold war" or "Obama is a Muslim" or "Climate change is complete bunk, advanced by scientists so that they can justify their jobs", etc.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Migs

Kevin OLeary is popular because he is a successful, intelligent, very hardworking man who made his fortune on his own. Of course that is foreign to your stay at home & live off welfare left wing mentality.

Hook, line and sinker.


redrecondite

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by geotag277

So the answer is a resounding "No, I don't know". Got it.

Actually, I don't know either. What is the proposed increase?